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"Simon Galgut" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Has anyone been on Future Cycles tuition / ride a recumbent course (Guy

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I tried, but ended up riding loads of bikes and not paying for it :-)

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Is it worth the effort and cash esp as I shall have to travel a fair distance and camp / B&B
overnight.

My feeling would be yes - it takes a bit of time to get used to riding a correctly aligned bicycle
after years of riding an upwrong, and Darth Ian is a Good Bloke. Recumbents are Not Cheap so it
makes sense to take your time (said the man who bought the one closest to the door!)

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"Simon Galgut" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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Has anyone been on Future Cycles tuition / ride a recumbent course (Guy

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I tried, but ended up riding loads of bikes and not paying for it :-)

I think I see an error in my method, now. I ended up paying for my bike. :-)

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Is it worth the effort and cash esp as I shall have to travel a fair distance and camp / B&B
overnight.

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My feeling would be yes - it takes a bit of time to get used to riding a correctly aligned bicycle
after years of riding an upwrong,

It's a little daunting first off, but the first 15mins are the worst. I've had one for two weeks
now and it's almost second nature now. It all got much easier once I stopped worrying about falling
off. After a full day of hire, you'll never want to look back. (Glasses/helmet mounted mirrors can
help, though.)

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Tim Hall said:

On ITV, that nice Mr. Millar said his chainring in thne prologue wasn't Campagnola (and brilliantly
pronounced too). Presumably some other make. Any ideas what it was?

Are there more than two makes, Tim? :-)

I thought Millar was being extremely diplomatic by just saying it wasn't Campagnola.

James

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"Simon Galgut" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Has anyone been on Future Cycles tuition / ride a recumbent course (Guy

? )

I tried, but ended up riding loads of bikes and not paying for it :-)

Quoted message said:

Is it worth the effort and cash esp as I shall have to travel a fair distance and camp / B&B
overnight.

My feeling would be yes - it takes a bit of time to get used to riding a correctly aligned bicycle
after years of riding an upwrong, and Darth Ian is a Good Bloke. Recumbents are Not Cheap so it
makes sense to take your time (said the man who bought the one closest to the door!)

Looks like a nice bike that Stinger. It would appear to move pretty well too (although of course
this is engine!), but having two 20" wheels, whose tires must be reasonably 'fat', do you not feel a
noticeable rolling resistence with this setup, or maybe that is offset but the lower more
areodynamic position?

Also, the ASS steering, do your arms tire from holding the bars near head level? Did you try any
USS, and how did they feel in comparison?

Also, having this lower, aerodynamic position, which what almost looks like a 'tilting back' of the
back, do you get any strain from bending at the neck in order to see the road properly in front?

So many questions......

Garry

Velvet said:

Did they have any recumbent trikes to try out down there? No way I want to try a 2-wheeled 'bent,
but a tadpole would be another matter entirely :-)

Last time I was there, they had an Optima Rider, an Anthrotech, a Trice, and a Kettweissel (delta).

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Velvet said:

Did they have any recumbent trikes to try out down there? No way I want to try a 2-wheeled 'bent,
but a tadpole would be another matter entirely :-)

Last time I was there, they had an Optima Rider, an Anthrotech, a Trice, and a Kettweissel (delta).

For anyone who may a googling go, that's a Kettwiesel.
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Garry Broad wrote:Also, having this lower, aerodynamic position, which what almost looks

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like a 'tilting back' of the back, do you get any strain from bending at the neck in order to see
the road properly in front?

I get a bit of this on the trice, but only when climbing. I want to naturally lay back and look
at the sky.

A headrest is next on my shopping list.

John B

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Last time I was there, they had an Optima Rider, an Anthrotech, a Trice, and a Kettweissel
(delta).

For anyone who may a googling go, that's a Kettwiesel.

Ta! I knew I'd got the spelling wrong on that one.
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Michael MacClancy said:

For anyone who may a googling go, that's a Kettwiesel.

If they'd called it the Geoffrey Bayldon we'd all have been able to spell it...

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Garry Broad said:

Looks like a nice bike that Stinger. It would appear to move pretty well too (although of course
this is engine!), but having two 20" wheels, whose tires must be reasonably 'fat', do you not feel
a noticeable rolling resistence with this setup, or maybe that is offset but the lower more
areodynamic position?

Nothing intrinsically slow about 20" wheels, as long as you run good high pressure tyres on them:
c.f. the collected bicycle works of Dr. Alex Moulton for the last 30+ years if you're not sure,
including world speed records at the IHPVA. The UCI, sniffing a hint of progress, banned them from
competition, IIRC because it's too much easier to draft with small wheels.

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Also, the ASS steering, do your arms tire from holding the bars near head level? Did you try any
USS, and how did they feel in comparison?

My first 'bent (an Orbit Crystal) had ASS, the current one (Streetmachine GT) has USS. USS is more
relaxed and comfortable, but ASS is still more comfortable than riding a wedgie and the aerodynamics
are better. Think of the bikers riding all day across the US on chopped Harleys that have to hold
their arms up: they seem to manage okay! Other points about ASS is that it's easier to get effective
mirror setups and lamp mounts are pretty trivial if the design doesn't include other provisions.
Easier mount for a computer too, if you use one, and there's better tight turning as USS tends to
come up against the seat (by tight turns I'm talking U turns in narrow streets, not anything you'd
typically need to negotiate on standard routes).

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Also, having this lower, aerodynamic position, which what almost looks like a 'tilting back'
of the back, do you get any strain from bending at the neck in order to see the road properly
in front?

Can't speak for the Stinger, but on the Crystal and Streetmachine (the seat of which is back as far
as it'll go, at 30 degrees) it's not a problem for me. Far more of an issue is looking *up* from a
crouch position on a typical MTB or racing wedgie. If you think how the neck is often forward to
look down at your feet when walking, but rarely tilted back at the sky, this makes sense. Some
'bents have a headrest as an optional extra if it bothers you, but most don't have them as most
don't need them. Easiest way to answer the questions is first hand though, by trying a few. Go on,
you know a red lightsabre is the way ahead! ;-)

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Garry Broad said:

Looks like a nice bike that Stinger. It would appear to move pretty well too (although of course
this is engine!), but having two 20" wheels, whose tires must be reasonably 'fat', do you not feel
a noticeable rolling resistence with this setup, or maybe that is offset but the lower more
areodynamic position?

Bung some decent tyres on one - 28-406 Schwalbe Stelvios are the Informed Darksider's Race Tyre Of
Choice at present - and rolling resistance is scarcely any different from its 25-559 big bruvver.

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Also, the ASS steering, do your arms tire from holding the bars near head level? Did you try any
USS, and how did they feel in comparison?

Arms get no more tired with ASS than they do from, say, holding a steering wheel or working at a
keyboard. USS is a Work of Stan ;-)

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Also, having this lower, aerodynamic position, which what almost looks like a 'tilting back'
of the back, do you get any strain from bending at the neck in order to see the road properly
in front?

You may have some at first, particularly when switching from a more upright recumbent or an upright
bike, but it soon goes away (unless one is uterly wet and a weed like basil fotherington-tomas).
I've done two-hour races on Cosimo the Stealth Baron and eight hour road rides on the Speedmachine
without neck discomfort.

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Also, having this lower, aerodynamic position, which what almost looks like a 'tilting back' of
the back, do you get any strain from bending at the neck in order to see the road properly in
front?

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You may have some at first, particularly when switching from a more

upright

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recumbent or an upright bike, but it soon goes away (unless one is uterly wet and a weed like
basil fotherington-tomas)

All is Now Explaned eg why fotherington tomas sa hello clouds hello sky.

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All is Now Explaned eg why fotherington tomas sa hello clouds hello sky.

That reads like me on a not too bad day. What's your excuse?

BTW, another anagram: "Guy Chapman's 'bent" = "Nymphet guns a cab".

James

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Easiest way to answer the questions is first hand though, by trying a few.

Of course, no substitute for it. But these questions just arise as I read more around it before I
can find to time to try a few!

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Go on, you know a red lightsabre is the way ahead! ;-)

Absent funds inhibit a new machine, and so my first bent is going to be a home grown effort.
Obviously nothing new, but I'm still sorting out in my mind what and how I'm going to do it.

This would be the design phase I guess!! But we'll be up and running soon :-)

Thanks for any answers to these questions, they are appreciated.

Garry