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The Opposable Thumb

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  1. When I first started swimming in earnest three years ago, I had a habit
    of holding my thumb next to the other fingers. It's a habit I wanted
    to break to try swimming with the thumb away from the hand to create
    the so called "lunate", or crescent shape which mimics bird's wings and
    is often used by elite swimmers.

    Well, now my ingrained habit is to swim with the thumb out. It's
    rather amazing what affect this has on the muscles in the arm. It
    seems to "activate", or tension the muscles in the wrist, since holding
    the thumb out involves a lot of muscles there. It even seems to give a
    little bit different leverage on the water which you can feel all the
    way up at your shoulder.

    Anyways, I like the added feeling of power you get with the thumb out.
    But I hate the bubbles! I love looking at the end of the pool and
    seeing relativley still water above my head as my hand enters. It
    seems a mark of skill. And yet I've looked at video of Michael Phelps
    - he's a lunate guy, and I can see some bubbles trailing off his thumb
    as his hand enters.

    There was recently a comment about trapping air bubbles beneath your
    foot during kicking. Fun with bubbles. I've seen a string of bubbles
    attached to my thumb as I cruise into the wall - if you "flick" your
    thumb, it sheds the bubbles. Kind of cool. I think they call that
    "shedding vortices", which you can see elites do on video - it always
    happens when their changes direction or increase velocity. It always
    indicates a point in the cycle when they're pulling hard.

    Anyways, now that I have the thumb out, I can't seem to get my old
    habit back of holding all fingers tight and getting still water above
    my head. I suspect there's no right or wrong way to do it. But you
    all might have opinions.

    Eric

  2. Quoted message said:

    When I first started swimming in earnest three years ago, I had a


    habit

    Quoted message said:

    of holding my thumb next to the other fingers....
    Eric

    I have a friend that told me a long time ago that it was even better to
    swim with the whole hand opened. His theory is that, since water has
    surface tension, you will be grabbing and pulling against even more
    water with your finger's spread out. I've tried both but cannot seem to
    tell much difference.

    Andres

  3. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    When I first started swimming in earnest three years ago, I had a


    habit

    Quoted message said:

    of holding my thumb next to the other fingers....
    Eric

    I have a friend that told me a long time ago that it was even better


    to

    Quoted message said:

    swim with the whole hand opened. His theory is that, since water has
    surface tension, you will be grabbing and pulling against even more
    water with your finger's spread out. I've tried both but cannot seem


    to

    Quoted message said:

    tell much difference.

    Andres

    I experimented with a bit too and found that the concentration on
    controling my hands affected general posture to the point of getting
    general negative results.
    A relaxed hand was best.

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    Quoted message said:

    When I first started swimming in earnest three years ago, I had a


    habit

    Quoted message said:

    of holding my thumb next to the other fingers....
    Eric

    I have a friend that told me a long time ago that it was even better to
    swim with the whole hand opened. His theory is that, since water has
    surface tension, you will be grabbing and pulling against even more
    water with your finger's spread out. I've tried both but cannot seem to
    tell much difference.

    The research on this done many years ago (mid 70's) by Schleihauf does not
    bear this out.

    Finger seperation - even a small amount - reduces the lift component of the
    hand action by a large fraction. The is little or no additional drag
    component.

  5. I cannot agree with this idea. Swimming with the thumb separated from
    the hand disrupts the hand's streamline and diminishes the efficiency
    to the pull. Separating the fingers only intensifies the degradation.

    Every creature that swims or flies -- with the possible exception of
    some humans -- presents a solid surface to the medium through which
    they move. For example frogs have webbed feet to present a continuous
    pushing (and "lifting"😉 surface to the water, and birds wings have
    feathers that together present a smooth and continuous surface to the
    air. Even whales and dolphins, which were at one time land creatures,
    have evolved away from individual digits so that their "hands" and
    "feet" have resumed the shape of fins.

    While it is true that some very good swimmers allow their thumb to
    separate from their hand during entry and pull, I suspect this has more
    to do with maintaining balance and body position than it does with
    effectiveness of the pull.

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    I cannot agree with this idea.

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    "helix", whoever you are, could you learn to quote when posting?

    Especially when the thread is relatively old, as in that situation it is
    even more likely than no one will be able to figure out to whom you are
    replying.

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