[censored] Bike

you know? said:

The upshot is that you can't turn the
steering through more than about 60 degrees because the tops of the
fork legs foul on the frame. How [censored] is that?

P'raps it's to stop the front wheel turning perpendicular to the frame
and causing the bike to fall over.

Turning more than 60 degrees is something I never do when riding, and
my bikes only ever do it on their own, when I'm not looking, to annoy
me. Sort of 'attention grabbing' behaviour.

"Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

One of Michael's friends has a Raleigh Max 26" wheel bike (fashion
victim full-sus). Aside from being made from solid neutronium,
judging by the weight, it has an unusual configuration of front fork:
a standard 1" steerer with a plate above and below, and the sus fork
legs running through the plate. The upshot is that you can't turn the
steering through more than about 60 degrees because the tops of the
fork legs foul on the frame. How [censored] is that? Oh, and it has "SIS"
gears, pressed-steel parallelograms and all. And twist grip shifting.

Cheap, though, apparently. About a third less than we paid for
Michael's Giant Boulder
<url:http://www.awcycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b8s2p7973>

Guy
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It may be a [censored] bike Guy but at least he is riding a bike.It's better than
driving ( or lusting after ) a car,depending of course on his age.One
persons [censored] is another kids pride & joy.

Sam Salt

Sam Salt

"Sam Salt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It may be a [censored] bike Guy but at least he is riding a bike.It's better
than
driving ( or lusting after ) a car,depending of course on his age.

Welcome back :-)

This story's great isn't it? - I love the "scowl in a tin box" line.

http://www.bikereader.com/contributors/Risemberg/donthurry.html

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in message <[email hidden]>, Just zis Guy,

you know? (') said:

One of Michael's friends has a Raleigh Max 26" wheel bike (fashion
victim full-sus). Aside from being made from solid neutronium,
judging by the weight, it has an unusual configuration of front fork:
a standard 1" steerer with a plate above and below, and the sus fork
legs running through the plate.

Like these ones, you mean
<URL:http://www.answerproducts.com/items.asp?deptid=1&itemid=3>
or these ones?
<URL:http://www.marzocchi.com/template/detailSPAForks.asp?IDFolder=113&LN=UK&OEM=&mCO=ucmPhhfuuj%602%2FJoufsp2%21BTD%2D%21ucmPhhfuuj%2FJoufsp5%21BTD&mCW=BOE%21ucmBooj%2FUftup2%21%3F%3E%21%283112%28%21BOE%21ucmPhhfuuj%2FCju2%21%3E%212%21BOE%21ucmPhhfuuj%2FJoufsp2%21%3E%219468&mCJ=%21JOOFS%21KPJO%21ucmPhhfuuj%21BT%21ucmBooj%21%21PO%21ucmPhhfuuj%2FJoufsp2%21%3E%21ucmBooj%2FJEPhhfuup%21MFGU%21KPJO%21ucmPhhfuuj%21BT%21ucmTfsjf%21%21PO%21ucmPhhfuuj%2FJoufsp4%21%3E%21ucmTfsjf%2FJEPhhfuup%21%21JOOFS%21KPJO%21ucmPhhfuuj%21ucmPhhfuuj%602%21PO%21ucmPhhfuuj%2FJoufsp2%21%3E%21ucmPhhfuuj%602%2FJEPhhfuup%21&IDOggetto=8465>

Quoted message said:

The upshot is that you can't turn the
steering through more than about 60 degrees because the tops of the
fork legs foul on the frame. How [censored] is that?

When does one actually need to turn the steering through more than 60
degrees, though? And have you told Mr Whittingham that his bike is even
crapper than a Raleigh?

Quoted message said:

Oh, and it has "SIS"
gears, pressed-steel parallelograms and all. And twist grip shifting.

And what, pray, is wrong with twist grip shifting?

Not that I would disagree with you about the bike in question, mind...

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Just zis Guy said:

The upshot is that you can't turn the
steering through more than about 60 degrees because the tops of the
fork legs foul on the frame. How [censored] is that?

That's pretty much the case for bikes with triple clamp forks whatever
the price point including very expensive downhill rigs. A problem is
that if the bars swing round the fork stanchions can put a dent in the
top tube.

--
Tony

"A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought" Lord
Peter Wimsey (Dorothy L. Sayers)

"Simon Mason" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This story's great isn't it? - I love the "scowl in a tin box" line.

http://www.bikereader.com/contributors/Risemberg/donthurry.html

I rode my bike across town during the morning unrush hour for the first time
on Weds. Being a leisure cyclist who generally heads for open country I
hadn't realised just how much motor vehicles get in the way in town at that
time of the day. Bloody things, crawling along at less than walking pace!

Pete

Just zis Guy said:

The upshot is that you can't turn the
steering through more than about 60 degrees because the tops of the
fork legs foul on the frame. How [censored] is that?

About as [censored] as the Streetmachine, I guess, since the handlebars
run into the seat after not a huge amount of lock. Not really a
problem on the Streetmachine, and less of a problem on a kid's bike
'cause you just do a wheelie and swing it round with your weight on
the back wheel...

It doesn't sound like it's any good, I grant you, but there are
worse things than limited steering lock. After all, *lots* of 700c
bikes have steering lock effectively limited by the toes of the
rider, especially if they've got mudguards, but since you only use
much steering lock at < 4 mph it's generally a moot point.

Pete.
--
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:09:56 +0100, Al C-F
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

P'raps it's to stop the front wheel turning perpendicular to the frame
and causing the bike to fall over.

Slowed him down in the obstacle race. He couldn't make it round tight
enough curves.

Guy
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"To every complex problem there is a solution which is
simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 17:08:45 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The upshot is that you can't turn the
steering through more than about 60 degrees because the tops of the
fork legs foul on the frame. How [censored] is that?

Quoted message said:

About as [censored] as the Streetmachine, I guess, since the handlebars
run into the seat after not a huge amount of lock.

The SMGT is not, I believe, pretending to be a technical offroad
bike...

Guy
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simple, neat and wrong" - HL Mencken

Simon Brooke said:

And what, pray, is wrong with twist grip shifting?

Try changing up from the bottom chainring at the top of a big hill
(clue: cycling up the hill caused the hands to sweat).

--
Nick Kew

Nick Kew said:

Simon Brooke said:

And what, pray, is wrong with twist grip shifting?

Try changing up from the bottom chainring at the top of a big hill
(clue: cycling up the hill caused the hands to sweat).

I guess all those bikes with Rohloffs are [censored] then...

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

in message <[email hidden]>, Nick Kew

(') said:

Simon Brooke said:

And what, pray, is wrong with twist grip shifting?

Try changing up from the bottom chainring at the top of a big hill
(clue: cycling up the hill caused the hands to sweat).

But as you're wearing trackmitts anyway, what odds? I've now fitted
gripshifts to both my mountain bikes, and I'm hugely pleased with them
- far better, IMHO, than triggers.

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Dave Larrington said:

Nick Kew said:

Simon Brooke said:

And what, pray, is wrong with twist grip shifting?

Try changing up from the bottom chainring at the top of a big hill
(clue: cycling up the hill caused the hands to sweat).

Here on Planet Earth we have a cheap and simple solution to this problem.
They're known as "gloves".

....and trigger or thumb shifters

--
Tony

"A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought" Lord
Peter Wimsey (Dorothy L. Sayers)

Dave Larrington said:

Nick Kew said:

Simon Brooke said:

And what, pray, is wrong with twist grip shifting?

Try changing up from the bottom chainring at the top of a big hill
(clue: cycling up the hill caused the hands to sweat).

Here on Planet Earth we have a cheap and simple solution to this problem.
They're known as "gloves".

Pah. When I were lad, I 'ad to wipe sweaty 'ands on trousers.

R.

Richard said:

Dave Larrington said:

Nick Kew said:

Simon Brooke wrote:

> And what, pray, is wrong with twist grip shifting?

Try changing up from the bottom chainring at the top of a big hill
(clue: cycling up the hill caused the hands to sweat).

Here on Planet Earth we have a cheap and simple solution to this problem.
They're known as "gloves".

Pah. When I were lad, I 'ad to wipe sweaty 'ands on trousers.

R.

ITYMTS "on't rousers"

--
Tony

"A facility for quotation covers the absence of original thought" Lord
Peter Wimsey (Dorothy L. Sayers)

Richard said:

Dave Larrington said:

Nick Kew said:

Simon Brooke wrote:

>And what, pray, is wrong with twist grip shifting?

Try changing up from the bottom chainring at the top of a big hill
(clue: cycling up the hill caused the hands to sweat).

Here on Planet Earth we have a cheap and simple solution to this problem.
They're known as "gloves".

Pah. When I were lad, I 'ad to wipe sweaty 'ands on trousers.

Sunday it was mainly Sunny, so I adorned those bits of my body exposed
to the sun with suncream. I wiped my hands on the grass, but they
were still slippery. What larks as I missed gear changes or nearly
slipped off the brake lever. Repeated wipings of hand on trouser
improved things a little.

Then coming out of Cowes, my friend Jan knotted his chain twixt small
ring and frame, so I stopped to help. Before I could get the tools
out,Mrs. Hall bade me put on gloves, latex, tinkering for the use of.
These are dusted with talc inside. Result: no more slippy hands on
handlebars.

Tim

Quoted message said:

R.

Richard said:

When I were lad, I 'ad to wipe sweaty 'ands on trousers.

You 'ad trousers? Luxury! We used to dream of 'aving trousers!

(etc.)

Guy
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Tim Hall said:

Sunday it was mainly Sunny, so I adorned those bits of my body exposed
to the sun with suncream. I wiped my hands on the grass, but they
were still slippery. What larks as I missed gear changes or nearly
slipped off the brake lever. Repeated wipings of hand on trouser
improved things a little.

This can be avoided with the right haircut.

To clarify: I have very short hair, and so any excess suncream gets
rubbed into my head, protecting me from scalp-burn (ouch, not
recommended), and it seems to completely scour the hands as well.

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jc