Hamilton speaks

Robert Chung said:

http://www.roadcycling.com/news/article1029.shtml

sure looks like he got screwed but then that's just one mans opinion.

Fred Marx said:

Robert Chung said:

http://www.roadcycling.com/news/article1029.shtml

sure looks like he got screwed but then that's just one mans opinion.

what a load of bs! I truely feel sorry for his family. They have to
believe him or pretend to. It's just so obvious its almost funny. like
when pete rose said he didn't bet on baseball. Sad

ODH_Bikes said:

I think it's a bit strange Phonak went out of thier way to make sure
they own the same "hematocrit machine" as the UCI.

Yup.

gym.gravity said:

ODH_Bikes said:

I think it's a bit strange Phonak went out of thier way to make sure
they own the same "hematocrit machine" as the UCI.

Quoted message said:

Yup.

If someone were running tests that could potentially cause
a lot of problems for me, I would do that too. I'll bet
they've all got the same machine as the UCI vampires.

Bob Schwartz
[email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] says...

Quoted message said:

I think it's a bit strange Phonak went out of thier way to make sure
they own the same "hematocrit machine" as the UCI.

Why? It makes a lot of sense to make sure you can verify the results put
up by the UCI. You would be stupid to go on blind faith that the UCI does
not make mistakes. Esecially when there is a lot of money at stake.
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Alex

"ODH_Bikes" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I think it's a bit strange Phonak went out of thier way to make sure
they own the same "hematocrit machine" as the UCI.

Do you mean in the same way as the Russian Olympic Team had a boat in Seoul
with full testing facilities or the way that many US athletes were pulled
with mystery illness's before the LA Games?

Hamish Ferguson

I think the problem here is that WADA - or whatever the geniuses call
themselves - are obviously, blatantly ignorant of the scientific
process. If you cannot, or will not, present your "evidence" for review
and challenge, you don't have scientific evidence at all. You just have
accusations and words.

The claim about their evidence and the process that created it is that
"There is no risk of a false positive and no need to do so called
validation studies." Oh. OK.... Nothing to see here. Move along...

(http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=features/2005/hamilton_decision)

The whole problem with this case against Hamilton is that it looks like
voodoo magic. And it looks like voodoo magic because WADA refuses to
submit their testing procedure to a normal scientific challenge.

Bob Schwartz said:

I would do that too. I'll bet
they've all got the same machine as the UCI vampires.

I RIDE A TREK, WEAR DISCOVERY CHANNEL CLOTHING, AND SLEEP WITH A WOMAN WHO
LOOKS LIKE MY MOTHER SO I CAN CALIBRATE MY PERFORMANCE AGAINST LANCE.

dfp21 said:

I think the problem here is that WADA - or whatever the geniuses call
themselves - are obviously, blatantly ignorant of the scientific
process. If you cannot, or will not, present your "evidence" for review
and challenge, you don't have scientific evidence at all. You just have
accusations and words.

The claim about their evidence and the process that created it is that
"There is no risk of a false positive and no need to do so called
validation studies." Oh. OK.... Nothing to see here. Move along...

So you're saying the energy crisis could be solved if WADA was put in
charge of research into cold fusion.

Bob Schwartz said:

Quoted message said:

I would do that too. I'll bet
they've all got the same machine as the UCI vampires.

Robert Chung said:

I RIDE A TREK, WEAR DISCOVERY CHANNEL CLOTHING, AND SLEEP WITH A WOMAN WHO
LOOKS LIKE MY MOTHER SO I CAN CALIBRATE MY PERFORMANCE AGAINST LANCE.

But does the woman who looks like your mother calibrate your performance ?

Donald Munro said:

Robert Chung said:

I RIDE A TREK, WEAR DISCOVERY CHANNEL CLOTHING, AND SLEEP WITH A WOMAN
WHO LOOKS LIKE MY MOTHER SO I CAN CALIBRATE MY PERFORMANCE AGAINST
LANCE.

But does the woman who looks like your mother calibrate your
performance ?

I HAD ONE OF MY BALLS REMOVED.

Robert Chung said:

Quoted message said:

But does the woman who looks like your mother calibrate your
performance ?

Quoted message said:

I HAD ONE OF MY BALLS REMOVED.

That is dedication beyond the call of duty.

Donald Munro said:

Robert Chung said:

Quoted message said:

But does the woman who looks like your mother calibrate your
performance ?

Quoted message said:

I HAD ONE OF MY BALLS REMOVED.

That is dedication beyond the call of duty.

THAT WAS EASY. WHAT WAS HARD WAS TRAINING MYSELF TO GET A STIFFY WHEN I
SEE HEIN.

Robert Chung said:

Donald Munro said:

Robert Chung said:

> But does the woman who looks like your mother calibrate your
> performance ?

Quoted message said:

I HAD ONE OF MY BALLS REMOVED.

That is dedication beyond the call of duty.

Quoted message said:

THAT WAS EASY. WHAT WAS HARD WAS TRAINING MYSELF TO GET A STIFFY WHEN I
SEE HEIN.

Lance's ex-personal assistant can tell you about some [censored] that
can help with that. It might be on the WADA list though, he's
not sure.

Bob Schwartz
[email hidden]

someone give me an understanding...why the hell would a team or any
cyclist own a hematocrit machine if they aren't doping? if you're not
doping your levels will never get to a point that would concern the UCI
or your team. is there some other reason a team would own this machine?

ODH_Bikes said:

I think it's a bit strange Phonak went out of thier way to make sure
they own the same "hematocrit machine" as the UCI.

--
ODH_Bikes

Quoted post said:

someone give me an understanding...why the hell would a team or any
cyclist own a hematocrit machine if they aren't doping? if you're not
doping your levels will never get to a point that would concern the UCI
or your team. is there some other reason a team would own this machine?

They buy the machines, or engage "their" laboratory, to have
foreknowledge of any possible bad news from independent WADA/UCI type
tests.

And on haemocrit levels, it is not all as cut and dried as as it seems.

My personal levels are consistently 48 or 49 and I do not attempt to
enhance them, reside only 8 floors up in my apartment block and never
sleep in Oxygen Tents.

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Regards,
Ila Kutcherkokoff
(Lorena's Cousin)

On 20 Apr 2005 16:13:26 -0700, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

.why the hell would a team or any
cyclist own a hematocrit machine
if they aren't doping?

To make sure you don't go over the banned level of hematocrit from
activities like altitude trainining or sleeping in those hypoxic
chambers. Those things are not doping, but can probably can raise
hematocrit too high for some people. Moreover, measuring hematocrit
might even help understand if those things are working, which is
useful info too.

JT

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Quoted message said:

someone give me an understanding...why the hell would a team or any
cyclist own a hematocrit machine if they aren't doping? if you're not
doping your levels will never get to a point that would concern the UCI
or your team. is there some other reason a team would own this machine?

Very easy to understand. You know your team is going to get tested at some
time. That's a fact. The person/s doing the testing are human and can make
mistakes. So they might screw something up. To catch these inevitable errors
you use your machine to verify the results reported to the UCI. That does not
mean you are doping. It would be very stupid not to have one of the machines
when you have a large team with a large budget.
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Alex

Alex Rodriguez said:

Very easy to understand. You know your team is going to get tested
at some time. That's a fact. The person/s doing the testing are
human and can make mistakes. So they might screw something up. To
catch these inevitable errors you use your machine to verify the
results reported to the UCI. That does not mean you are doping. It
would be very stupid not to have one of the machines when you have a
large team with a large budget. -------------

So if your machine doesn't agree with the UCI's, where does that leave you?
To put it another way, how many riders have successfully argued their way
out of a two week hematocrit ban because their team's readings did not match
the UCI's?

Jeff