Pedals

in message <[email hidden]>, Paul - [censored]

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Ah well, I think I'll persevere for a bit. My knees seem to like
being able to move around a bit more on flatties than they can whilst
clipped in, so I
guess it's a play it by ear kinda thing. 😉

Time ATACs (which I use and would recommend) or Speedplay Frogs give you
a lot more float than SPDs

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Well, just returned from an hours ride with spd pedals and shoes, all

fine,

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not a problem. Decided that the shoes are a tad tight for my feet

for now

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and on a whim swapped out the spd pedals and have gone back to

flatties

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(mountain bike) and trainers/whatever on my feet.

What a difference. I didn't think I had grown so accustomed to

clipping in

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and out, but it feels so awkward and insecure not being 'fastened in'

any

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more, though I only blasted around for fifteen minutes or so.

Ah well, I think I'll persevere for a bit. My knees seem to like

being able

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to move around a bit more on flatties than they can whilst clipped

in, so I

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guess it's a play it by ear kinda thing. 😉

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I had a similar experience last week.

Took a friend's Dawes giro out for a short spin (am thinking of getting
new a bike) with flats and toe clips (which i hadn't bothered
tightening).

Nearly killed myself trying a short sprint pulling up and back on the
pedals. Feet disconnect and I sit down in a hurry looking no end of a
plonker!

A

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Feet disconnect and I sit down in a hurry looking no end of a
plonker!

LOL, yeah, the old balls meet seat 'differently' phase .. I did that twice,
unfortunately ...

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Simon Brooke said:

Time ATACs (which I use and would recommend) or Speedplay Frogs give you
a lot more float than SPDs

Let me second that, as far as the Time Atacs go. I previsously used
SPDs, and feel a lot better using Atacs.

Regards,
Big Ben.

Paul - censored said:

My knees seem to like being able
to move around a bit more on flatties than they can whilst clipped in, so I
guess it's a play it by ear kinda thing. 😉

Interesting. I've been trying to work out what's been causing my knee
problems, and I suspect that they may have started shortly after I bought
my SPD pedals a couple of years ago.

My best guess is that the trouble was caused by my feet being fairly
rigidly held at an angle that lead to the pressure on my knee not being
applied very evenly.

I've been having severe pain in one knee whenever I put too much force on
the pedals.

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Simon Brooke said:

Time ATACs (which I use and would recommend) or Speedplay Frogs give you
a lot more float than SPDs

Let me second that, as far as the Time Atacs go. I previsously used
SPDs, and feel a lot better using Atacs.

Regards,
Big Ben.

Agreed Atacs are very good or creaky knees - I've just ordered some Cyclos
for the slightly bigger platform (my justification) but basically the
"roadie" look. Oh and I do actually need a new pair of pedals!

Julia

Paul - censored said:

My knees seem to like being able
to move around a bit more on flatties than they can whilst clipped in, so I
guess it's a play it by ear kinda thing. 😉

Interesting. I've been trying to work out what's been causing my knee
problems, and I suspect that they may have started shortly after I bought
my SPD pedals a couple of years ago. I get a fairly severe pain in my
right knee if I put too much pressure on it, that stays for the rest of
the ride. The knee is fine when I'm not riding the bike.

My best guess is that the trouble is caused by my feet being held rigidly
in place, restricting the lateral movement of my heels, leading to
pressure being applied to the knee when it's not quite at the right angle.
But it's just a guess.

Has anybody else had this kind of problem?

I've noticed other posters talking about Time pedals. I'm more of a
tourer/commuter than a roadie so I'd be after shoes that I can walk
around in. Are Time suitable for a more general purpose shoe design, or
are they strictly for road shoes?

Thanks.

Graham

in message <[email hidden]>, Graham Ashton

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:57:25 +0100, Paul - [censored] wrote:

Interesting. I've been trying to work out what's been causing my knee
problems, and I suspect that they may have started shortly after I
bought my SPD pedals a couple of years ago. I get a fairly severe pain
in my right knee if I put too much pressure on it, that stays for the
rest of the ride. The knee is fine when I'm not riding the bike.

My best guess is that the trouble is caused by my feet being held
rigidly in place, restricting the lateral movement of my heels,
leading to pressure being applied to the knee when it's not quite at
the right angle. But it's just a guess.

Has anybody else had this kind of problem?

It's common, although fortunately I've never suffered myself [touches
wood].

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I've noticed other posters talking about Time pedals. I'm more of a
tourer/commuter than a roadie so I'd be after shoes that I can walk
around in. Are Time suitable for a more general purpose shoe design,
or are they strictly for road shoes?

The Time ATAC pedal has a cleat which is of similar or even lower
profile to the SPD cleat and are designed to work with SPD style shoes
- it's essentially a mountain bike pedal, you have to be able to run
with it. It's a completely different design from the Time road pedals
(Impact, RXE, RXS).

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Paul - censored said:

My knees seem to like being able
to move around a bit more on flatties than they can whilst clipped in,
so I guess it's a play it by ear kinda thing. 😉

Interesting. I've been trying to work out what's been causing my knee
problems, and I suspect that they may have started shortly after I bought
my SPD pedals a couple of years ago. I get a fairly severe pain in my
right knee if I put too much pressure on it, that stays for the rest of
the ride. The knee is fine when I'm not riding the bike.

My knees (and ankles for that matter) are shot. Both knees have Cruciate
ligament trouble, both ankles dislocate at the drop of a hat, none of which
are either caused, or made worse, by cycling, it's just that I feel more
comfortable being able to move my feet and ankles to slightly different
positions nowadays. They tend to lock otherwise .. 😉

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My best guess is that the trouble is caused by my feet being held rigidly
in place, restricting the lateral movement of my heels, leading to
pressure being applied to the knee when it's not quite at the right angle.
But it's just a guess.

Sounds valid to me.

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I've noticed other posters talking about Time pedals. I'm more of a
tourer/commuter than a roadie so I'd be after shoes that I can walk
around in. Are Time suitable for a more general purpose shoe design, or
are they strictly for road shoes?

Time Atacs are off-road pedals, suitable for off-road style shoes. Time
road pedals need specific plates / shoes.

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Simon Brooke said:

Time ATACs (which I use and would recommend) or Speedplay Frogs give you
a lot more float than SPDs

Let me second that, as far as the Time Atacs go. I previsously used
SPDs, and feel a lot better using Atacs.

Regards,
Big Ben.

Agreed Atacs are very good or creaky knees - I've just ordered some Cyclos
for the slightly bigger platform (my justification) but basically the
"roadie" look. Oh and I do actually need a new pair of pedals!

Yup, I've used Atacs, but it's not just the float or rotation that I have a
need for, it's the fore and aft foot placement as well. If I stay solely
(no pun intended) on the balls of my feet I have trouble, the solution to
which is to move my foot maybe a centimeter (Maybe more maybe less, but it
doesn't look much) to left, right, forwards, backwards or diagonally. No
'clipped in' pedal/shoe system can allow anywhere near this range of
movement, hence my larger foot area flatties.

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Paul - censored said:

Yup, I've used Atacs, but it's not just the float or rotation that I
have a need for, it's the fore and aft foot placement as well. If I
stay solely (no pun intended) on the balls of my feet I have trouble,
the solution to which is to move my foot maybe a centimeter (Maybe more
maybe less, but it doesn't look much) to left, right, forwards,
backwards or diagonally. No 'clipped in' pedal/shoe system can allow
anywhere near this range of movement, hence my larger foot area flatties.

What about double-sided pedals (SPD on one side, flat on the other)?

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Paul - censored said:

Yup, I've used Atacs, but it's not just the float or rotation that I
have a need for, it's the fore and aft foot placement as well. If I
stay solely (no pun intended) on the balls of my feet I have trouble,
the solution to which is to move my foot maybe a centimeter (Maybe more
maybe less, but it doesn't look much) to left, right, forwards,
backwards or diagonally. No 'clipped in' pedal/shoe system can allow
anywhere near this range of movement, hence my larger foot area flatties.

What about double-sided pedals (SPD on one side, flat on the other)?

That's what I had, but the flat sided spd's have only a small flat side
IYSWIM, which feels a tad unsafe if I've move my foot around. I've gone for
wider downhill style flatties. Apart from remembering not to pull up as
well, I'm finding them OK.

I guess it'll just take time.

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I've noticed other posters talking about Time pedals. I'm more of a
tourer/commuter than a roadie so I'd be after shoes that I can walk
around in. Are Time suitable for a more general purpose shoe design, or
are they strictly for road shoes?

I use time atacs on both my mountain bike and road bike. I decided to
try them as I've got knee problems following an arguement with a car
in 2003. They suit me fine and I don't seem to cause me any pain. Of
course you may be different!

Al

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I've just ridden home after changing my SPD cleats for a new pair bought
from Pearsons at lunch time. What a difference! I knew the old ones were
worn but I hadn't realised how badly. On my last Audax every time the
route went uphill I sounded like King Arthur's horse in M.P. and the Holy
Grail. The new cleats hold my feet much more firmly and what I had been
thinking of as float was obviously just slop. My sore knee (boring) also
seemed much less tender, although the commute home is far too short to be
meaningful. What a twit though for letting it get so bad!

How long had you had them? I'm just wondering how long or how many miles it
takes to wear out a set of SPDs.

LSMike said:

How long had you had them? I'm just wondering how long or how many miles it
takes to wear out a set of SPDs.

About 15,000 miles.

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Dave...

Every time I see an adult on a bicycle, I no longer despair for the
future of the human race. - H. G. Wells

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in message <[email hidden]>, Graham Ashton

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Interesting. I've been trying to work out what's been causing my knee
problems, ...

Has anybody else had this kind of problem?

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Thanks all, that's very useful info. I'll have a look into the ATACs.

Graham