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  1. I would be a level 10, if it weren't for the skills required for the
    last 7 or 8 levels.

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  2. Jamey,

    The official USA, Inc. levels testing database also lists Kris Donohoo
    as a verified Level 9 rider. Kris probably fell off your radar screen
    because she is not currently a member in good standing.

    Your listing of Level 10 riders is correct. However, contrary to what
    you stated, the official Level 8 list isn't that large. There are only
    13 verified Level 8 riders in the database. The list doesn't really
    start to expand until Level 7 and under.

    Here are statistics for current USA, Inc. members in good standing:

    Level 10 - 8
    Level 9 - 2
    Level 8 - 10
    Level 7 - 31
    Level 6 - 13
    Level 5 - 39
    Level 4 - 109
    Level 3 - 87
    Level 2 - 167
    Level 1 - 160

    I strongly suspect these numbers are not very accurate. Most people
    don't update their level status or submit unverified levels claims with
    their applications for membership. In particular, many members have
    forgotten that per the rules for Level 5 and above, "an official USA or
    IUF level tester or a tester designated by an affiliated USA club must
    test the rider. When submitting the passed level, submit the tester’s
    name and USA number if applicable."

    Tom Daniels
    Former USA, Inc. President
    (. . . and the guy who keeps the database current)

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  3. brockfisher05 said:

    *who needs levels *


    YES FINNAKY SOME ONE AGREES!!!!!!

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  4. Brock and others, the purpose of this thread is not for trials riders to
    express their abhorrence of skill levels. It is to discuss who has
    passed the highest levels.

    Quoted message said:

    And they were all Twin City Unicycle Club members from Minnesota at
    one time!! Here's the list and order (I think) of who past it first;

    1. Dana Schnieder
    2. Ryan Wood
    3. Ashley Wood
    4. Irene Genelin
    5. Ryan Waesner
    6. Christian Hoverath
    7. Amy Sheilds
    8. Spencer Johnson
    9. Soon to be me! I've been testing the last month and should get it
    within the next month!

    Maybe I shouldn't be picky about spelling, but I think it's
    1. Dana Schneider
    5. Ryan Woessner
    7. Amy Shields

    I thought Christian Hoverath was a German. Is TCUC membership open to
    anyone anywhere?

    Anyway in a few years, I hope to become the first non-TCUC level 10
    rider. I've done all but four of the skills properly at least once. 🙂

    Leo Vandewoestijne recently told me that Sem Abrahams was the first
    Level Ten rider. I don't know if that's official or not; maybe he's IUF,
    not USA.

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  5. JSM,

    Your spellings for Dana, Ryan and Amy as shown are correct.

    Christian is indeed from Germany, but he is also a member in good
    standing of the USA, Inc. Many riders from outside of North America are
    members. I believe Christian is also a member of TCUC. I don't believe
    TCUC requires their members to be residents of the Minneapolis area.

    Sem is a member of the USA, Inc. He isn't shown as having officially
    passed any of the levels in the current USA, Inc. database. As I
    previously said, however, many members haven't bothered to update their
    levels.

    Tom

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  6. JSM - Christian Hoverath is indeed German, but he has trained at TCUC,
    which was unicycle6869's point. Many unicyclists from other countries,
    myself included, have trained at TCUC over the years.

    Sem may have been the first rider to get to level 10 in the older skill
    levels - this may the reason he's not on the official list.

    I can say with confidence that Simon Wells in Australia would pass level
    10, if tested. He can easily do all of the skills in level 10, but I
    don't think he's been tested. He got second in the expert freestyle at
    UNICON in Japan, so there's little doubt of his abilities.

    Leo Vandewoestijne would probably also pass level 10 if tested.

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  7. Given his performance at UNICON (I've watched the video at least 50
    times) I am sure Simon Wells could pass. Leo Vandewoestijne, according
    to one of his recent posts, still needs the evil backward pirouette.

    What's different between the old skill levels and the new ones? I recall
    hearing that at one time the transition to side ride was not required,
    but I don't know of any other differences.

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  8. tadaniels said:

    I believe Christian is also a member of TCUC. I don't believe
    TCUC requires their members to be residents of the Minneapolis area.

    OIC, they just 'contract' every level 10 rider to be a member. :-)

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  9. TonyMelton said:

    I can say with confidence that Simon Wells in Australia would pass level
    10, if tested. He can easily do all of the skills in level 10, but I
    don't think he's been tested. He got second in the expert freestyle at
    UNICON in Japan, so there's little doubt of his abilities.

    Leo Vandewoestijne would probably also pass level 10 if tested.

    And what about Julien Monney?

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  10. I can do all the tricks in level ten, but just can't get the backwards
    pirouette in level 9.
    Anyone can become a member of tcuc, so Christian is an official member
    even though he doesn't live here.

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  11. I believe the transition to side ride is still required

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  12. I fail to see what relevance "currently a member in good standing" has
    to do with anything.

    Stating that someone could easily pass a level if tested is irrelevant.
    A "Level X" designation is a USA/IUF-specific freestyle test result
    designed for individual motivation and direction of USA/IUF members and
    is not intended to predict or measure one's competition skills or
    general riding ability. Indeed, the Level designations are not really
    applicable to the general unicycling population, but only to a specific
    subset who are seeking to advance in personal freestyle skills. The
    Level X designations are only meaningful -within the IUF/USA system-.

    Using a Level X designation as a general point of comparison between
    unicyclists is a misuse of the system.

    The USA documentation does not actually present this clearly, although I
    believe that it should. Unicycling has progressed way beyond the
    one-track mindset presented in the '2002 documentation'
    (http://tinyurl.com/252k).

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  13. I think i know what you are saying and i agree.
    First off, i would say that someone is still a level ten rider even if
    they are not currently unicycling, they still passed it.
    I do agree that levels definately do not say that much about a
    unicyclist. I think there are many unicyclists who are not level ten
    unicyclists and they are better than some of the level ten unicyclists.
    There are so many skills that are not in the levels and to put every
    skill in would be impossible. I think they should be a basis of sort of
    ground tricks, to build on.

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  14. TonyMelton said:

    *John Foss could probably tell us about the old vs new IUF skill
    levels. The old ones were much more difficult to achieve level 10
    under.

    Transition requirements for side ride are most likely a recent change
    under the new skill levels. *

    It's actually the other way around now. It's much harder to pass level
    10 now than it would have say 10 years ago. Some of the new things are
    that you now must do ar; get in and out of sideride, do all the mounts
    to a level 5 or higher skill, do seat in front 1 footed with the seat
    extended, you can't practice any tricks once you have started level
    testing and think there's a couple more but thats all I can think of
    right now.

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  15. U-Turn said:

    *
    Stating that someone could easily pass a level if tested is
    irrelevant. A "Level X" designation is a USA/IUF-specific freestyle
    test result designed for individual motivation and direction of
    USA/IUF members and is not intended to predict or measure one's
    competition skills or general riding ability. Indeed, the Level
    designations are not really applicable to the general unicycling
    population, but only to a specific subset who are seeking to advance
    in personal freestyle skills. The Level X designations are only
    meaningful -within the IUF/USA system-.

    Using a Level X designation as a general point of comparison between
    unicyclists is a misuse of the system.
    *

    I agree that saying someone could pass a level is irrelevent cause a lot
    of people forget how hard a backward pirroutte is and not that many
    people can do it without tons of practice. ANd you need to do that to
    pass level 9 so you can pass level 10. I've never seen Leo, Julien, Sem,
    or Simon do a bckwrd piroutte so I don't know if they can. With practice
    I"m sure they all can but not currently.

    I also agree that you can't compare level tested people to non-level
    tested people. There are some people that are far better than some of
    the level 10's but they have never tested nor care to test. But for the
    most part you can say that people that have tested are in generally
    better the higher you are. 10's are better than 9's, 9's better than
    8's, etc. But still there are some level 8's that are better than some
    10's because they can do all the tricks in 9 and 10 except for bckwrd
    pirroutte and plus they can do tons of other "unique" tricks that aren't
    in the levels. I believe spencer johnson is one of they people that can
    only do skills in levels 10 and under and can't do any other tricks
    besides those. So I know many people that I'd consider are better than
    him even though they aren't level 10.

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  16. For Brock and Drewation:
    Who cares about scraping down railings? Even if we don't, we might like
    to watch it or read about people who can. Clearly these levels apply
    more to Freestyle skills and less to everything else. Nobody considers
    them the be-all, end-all, and most riders aren't that interested in
    passing levels. But some people are.

    TonyMelton said:

    *John Foss could probably tell us about the old vs new IUF skill
    levels.*


    Tuna covered that pretty well. Originally there was no requirement to
    ride into and out of the side ride. Back when the original 10 levels
    were written (as a collaborative effort led by Sem Abrahams), Sem was
    probably the only person known who could do that.

    The IUF levels haven't changed much beyond that, and making the 10 x 10
    obstacle instructions more clear. A couple of things were shifted around
    between levels 5 and 6 or so, but I don't know if anything else changed
    in the higher levels.

    The USA levels, though they contain the same list of skills, are far
    more detailed in their instruction set. Especially they have more
    detailed requirements on mounts. But mounts are generally easier than
    the skills in the higher levels, so that wouldn't be a concern for a
    rider at that level.

    Since the record-keeping system was developed and is mostly used by
    TCUC, that's where most of the listed riders seem to be. People may be
    testing all over the world, but most may be unaware of the requirements
    for being added to that database. Do you have to be a USA member? Do you
    have to include this information when you register or renew a
    membership?

    And as Tom mentioned, what if a member is lapsed? Once a level 10,
    always a level 10, even if you become old and grey. Same as being an
    Olympic champion (without the Wheaties box). In other words, if someone
    really wants to keep track of how many people are at a certain level, it
    should be tracked separately from the member database.

    To TCUC's credit, that's also where most of the USA's top Freestylers
    are, and where my arch enemy trick, the hand wheel walk, is commonly
    practiced. TCUC likes freestyle, and has had tons of awesome riders over
    the years.

    Sem Abrahams was one of the very top Freestyle riders in the world when
    the 10 levels were developed. Though he may never have actually tested
    through all the levels, he certainly could have learned any skills he
    needed. And who's to say he didn't test, and pass them all? Though the
    levels have always mentioned the requirement, there was no known method
    to become a tester for many years. Certainly he was qualified, as well
    as Teresa, who was also a top rider, and also involved in the process.

    But if I had to guess, I'd lean toward him just saying he was a level 10
    without actually testing. Back in the 80s he also used to tell reporters
    he was the world champion, which he wasn't. He was a silver medalist at
    Unicon I, and did not compete after that. Teresa was the women's
    Freestyle champion at Unicon I. Sem has the much more outrageous record
    of the world's tallest unicycle; something he will likely hold onto for
    many, many years.

    For everyone else, there is no substitute for being tested. Saying you
    can do all the skills is miles away from getting through all of them
    within the constraints of the level tests, especially with a strict
    tester, like they have at TCUC.

    People above spoke of the backwards pirouette. I remember once showing
    mine to Dana Schneider (first-ever to pass level 10 in the database),
    and over and over she kept saying "Nope, that wasn't three revolutions
    on the spot." Ouch! I remain forever at level 7 because I'm not
    interested in learning the hand wheel walk. But I did demonstrate level
    9 in the video, albeit with many, many tries on the seat drags.

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  17. Quoted message said:

    do all the mounts to a level 5 or higher skill

    Is that for level seven and higher? I'm hoping to pass level seven this
    Saturday, and two out of my seven mounts are into level four skills.
    (Rolling to one-footed riding and pickup to seat in front.) Are these
    allright for level seven, or do I need to start work on something else?

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  18. My hat is off to all you folks pushing the levels. The time investment
    is impressive. Our little group in SB put virtually all our time into
    Muniing, and the hardest freestyle "trick" we can do is probably
    gliding. I wish we had a gym to practice in once a week to fiddle with
    frestyle tricks just for the fun of it. You guys with the 6 gym
    practice sessions a week set up are blessed.

    JL

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  19. You don't need a gym. I learned all the tricks I can do either in my
    carpeted basement, or in an empty parking lot, or out on the street.:p

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  20. Seems like I heard that all the level-10's were under 20 years of age at
    the time they were tested. Is this true?

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