Vegan Bodybuilders??

NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

-- and by "vegan" I simply mean
no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.)

That would be a vegetarian, not a vegan.

--
Jerry

Jerry said:

NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

-- and by "vegan" I simply mean
no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.)

That would be a vegetarian, not a vegan.

This guy is a total vegan, I believe.
http://www.mikemahler.com/
I don't think it is all that rare its just that not well documented
since the average joe sixpack [censored]-for-brains wouldn't be interested and
you'll find that makes up 99.99% of the fitness market.(hell, 99.99% of
human society in general!!)

NYC XYZ said:

I doubt there are any pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders
and by "vegan" I simply mean no meat, but do allow for
diary products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is it at least
theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily mean animal
proteins, at least at that level of competition??

Vegans do not consume any animal products. If a vegetarian allows for
dairy/egg products they are correctly called lacto-ovo vegetarians.
And yes there are some professional bodybuilders who eat this way.

"Several well known bodybuilders were vegetarians. The best known
vegetarian bodybuilders are Bill Pearl (Mr. America, Mr. USA, and four
times Mr. Universe) and Andreas Cahling (IFBB Mr. International). But
film Hercules Steve Reeves (Mr. America, Mr. World and Mr. Universe)
was also a vegetarian at least part of the time during his competitive
career." http://www.dynamicbodies.com/vegetari.htm

Bill Pearls website at: http://www.billpearl.com/career.asp

Steve Holt, CBBF World Qualifier, July/2004:
http://ksteveh.tripod.com/vegetarianbodybuilder_home.html

<<joni>>

NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

Just wondering if anyone knows a "buffed" vegan. I doubt there are

any

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pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders -- and by "vegan" I simply

mean

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no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is
it at least theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily
mean animal proteins, at least at that level of competition??

TIA!

Sorry, I mean "vegetarian." =)

NYC XYZ wrote:
:: NYC XYZ wrote:
::: Hi, All:
:::
::: Just wondering if anyone knows a "buffed" vegan. I doubt there are
::: any pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders -- and by "vegan" I
::: simply mean no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs,
::: etc.) -- but is it at least theoretically possible, or does muscle
::: mass necessarily mean animal proteins, at least at that level of
::: competition??
:::
:: Sorry, I mean "vegetarian." =)

You might find this page interesting.

http://www.ivu.org/people/sports/

--
Juhana

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NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

Just wondering if anyone knows a "buffed" vegan.

Can you define buffed for us?

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I doubt there are any
pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders

Good ones? Nope.

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-- and by "vegan" I simply mean
no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is
it at least theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily
mean animal proteins, at least at that level of competition??

No comment.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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joni said:

NYC XYZ said:

I doubt there are any pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders
and by "vegan" I simply mean no meat, but do allow for
diary products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is it at least
theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily mean animal
proteins, at least at that level of competition??

Vegans do not consume any animal products. If a vegetarian allows for
dairy/egg products they are correctly called lacto-ovo vegetarians.
And yes there are some professional bodybuilders who eat this way.

Can you show us some?

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"Several well known bodybuilders were vegetarians. The best known
vegetarian bodybuilders are Bill Pearl (Mr. America, Mr. USA, and four
times Mr. Universe)

He was not a vege when he competed. Try again.

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and Andreas Cahling (IFBB Mr. International).

And he sucked as a bodybuilder. Go figure

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But
film Hercules Steve Reeves (Mr. America, Mr. World and Mr. Universe)
was also a vegetarian at least part of the time during his competitive
career."

[censored].

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

Will Brink piped up:

After joni said:

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"Several well known bodybuilders were vegetarians. The best known
vegetarian bodybuilders are Bill Pearl (Mr. America, Mr. USA, and
four times Mr. Universe)

He was not a vege when he competed. Try again.

"He won the professional Mr. Universe title in 1971, at the age of 41,
**without the use of steroids and as a vegetarian** and is recognized
as one of the all-time greats of bodybuilding. Bill's diet is lacto-ovo
vegetarian, which means he eats eggs and dairy products. He describes
his experiences with the conversion to vegetarianism. "With each
succeeding year the diet (lacto-ovo vegetarian), I've felt better. I'm
more healthy, I can train with more energy, and I'm not as much of a
"hard guy" as I used to be. I've become more concerned with my fellow
man and the other inhabitants I share the planet with. ...I have now
been vegetarian for almost 20 years. We have no fish, fowl, or red meat
in our diet. Yet I can still carry the same amount of muscle as I did
in winning my four Mr. Universe titles. People can't believe it. They
think that to have big muscles you have to eat meat - it's a persistent
and recurring myth. But take it from me, there's nothing magic about
eating meat that's going to make you a champion bodybuilder. Anything
you can find in a piece of meat, you can find in other foods as well."
http://ksteveh.tripod.com/pearl.html

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and Andreas Cahling (IFBB Mr. International)

And he sucked as a bodybuilder. Go figure

Oh yeah right he sucked really bad...
http://www.andreascahling.com/andreas-about

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film Hercules Steve Reeves (Mr. America, Mr. World and Mr.

Universe)

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was also a vegetarian at least part of the time during his

competitive

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career."

[censored].

Why because you say so? ....

"Breakfast drinks based on a protein powder emerged into the diet of
the legendary Steve Reeves who years later wrote about this practice in
his book 'Building The Classic Physique.' Reeves' impressive natural
physique landed him starring roles in the films Hercules and Hercules
Unchained in the late 1950s and inspired thousands of young men to
adopt weight training. His recipe for a breakfast drink included fresh
orange juice, Knox gelatin, honey, banana, raw eggs and a blend of skim
milk, egg white and soy protein."
http://www.westonaprice.org/men/splendidspecimens.html

Whatever ...

<<joni>>

NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

Quoted message said:

Just wondering if anyone knows a "buffed" vegan. I doubt there are

any

Quoted message said:

pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders -- and by "vegan" I simply

mean

Quoted message said:

no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is
it at least theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily
mean animal proteins, at least at that level of competition??

Your body doesn't care from what source it gets its protein from, only
that all the necessary amino acids are there when it needs them. And
since it's very easy to get plenty of protein/all the aminos from a
vegetarian diet, it's very possible. The limiting factor, a
generalization, is that most vegetarians tend to care about their
health and longevity much more than the heavy steriod-doping lab rats
who [dis]grace the covers of the muscle magazines.

Patrick

NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

Just wondering if anyone knows a "buffed" vegan.

Firstly, it should be possible, but it is harder.

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I doubt there are any
pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders

Hold on right there... having seen the rest of your question, I must point
out that so-called bodybuilders get their size from bloody steroids and
supplementation, not from meat.

Quoted message said:

-- and by "vegan" I simply mean
no meat, but do allow for dairy products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is
it at least theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily
mean animal proteins, at least at that level of competition??

TIA!

There are some foods that are rich in protein and are suitable for
vegetarians. Usually, however, you need to eat _more_ of these foods to
reach the necessary intake of protein. I believe this also means more
cholesterol and more fat that comes with vegan foods, of which you might
have to eat more. Amino acids like the ones found abundantly in pork might
be missed. I think you can raise such questions in sci.med.nutrition on
UseNet.

Roy

--
Roy S. Schestowitz
http://Schestowitz.com

"joni" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Will Brink piped up:

After joni said:

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"Several well known bodybuilders were vegetarians. The best known
vegetarian bodybuilders are Bill Pearl (Mr. America, Mr. USA, and
four times Mr. Universe)

He was not a vege when he competed. Try again.

"He won the professional Mr. Universe title in 1971, at the age of 41,
**without the use of steroids and as a vegetarian.
"I have now
been vegetarian for almost 20 years."

You math skills are the equal of your medical knowledge.

Your amazingly consistent wrongness may require a new award. Idiot of the
Month just doesn't seem to capture your essence.

David

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Jerry said:

NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

-- and by "vegan" I simply mean
no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.)

That would be a vegetarian, not a vegan.

This guy is a total vegan, I believe.
http://www.mikemahler.com/
I don't think it is all that rare its just that not well documented
since the average joe sixpack [censored]-for-brains wouldn't be interested
and you'll find that makes up 99.99% of the fitness market.(hell,
99.99% of human society in general!!)

Mike is a very strong guy who might be mistaken for a bodybuilder
because he's lean but he's not. He's also a popular trainer who
specializes in MMA and he's one of the senior kettlebell instructors in
Pavel's program. He's the best testimony I've seen to achieving
athletic goals while on a vegan diet, and he was even a vegan on the
Warrior Diet for a long time although I don't think he follows the
latter now.

By the way, he's got a couple of great DVD's out, one on kb training for
MMA, and another on using kb's to gain size and strength. On the latter
he goes into tremendous detail about the various lifts and both his
DVD's have been well-received. He's also written quite a bit.

You can post on the DD Nutrition forum and get a reply from him, I'm
sure. http://forum.dragondoor.com/nutrition

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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Jerry said:

NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

-- and by "vegan" I simply mean
no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.)

That would be a vegetarian, not a vegan.

This guy is a total vegan, I believe.
http://www.mikemahler.com/
I don't think it is all that rare its just that not well documented since
the average joe sixpack [censored]-for-brains wouldn't be interested and you'll
find that makes up 99.99% of the fitness market.(hell, 99.99% of human
society in general!!)

Joe sispack wouldn't be interested in what? Being a vegan or documenting
vegan bodybuilders? IMO, you would need to be a total [censored] for brains to
be/do either.

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NYC XYZ said:

I doubt there are any pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders
and by "vegan" I simply mean no meat, but do allow for
diary products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is it at least
theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily mean animal
proteins, at least at that level of competition??

Vegans do not consume any animal products. If a vegetarian allows for
dairy/egg products they are correctly called lacto-ovo vegetarians.

or hypocrites.

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Will Brink piped up:

After joni said:

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"Several well known bodybuilders were vegetarians. The best known
vegetarian bodybuilders are Bill Pearl (Mr. America, Mr. USA, and
four times Mr. Universe)

He was not a vege when he competed. Try again.

"He won the professional Mr. Universe title in 1971, at the age of 41,
**without the use of steroids and as a vegetarian** and is recognized
as one of the all-time greats of bodybuilding. Bill's diet is lacto-ovo
vegetarian, which means he eats eggs and dairy products.

Oh, so you admit he wasn't a vegetarian then? Good.

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NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

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Just wondering if anyone knows a "buffed" vegan. I doubt there are

any

Quoted message said:

pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders -- and by "vegan" I simply

mean

Quoted message said:

no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is
it at least theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily
mean animal proteins, at least at that level of competition??

Your body doesn't care from what source it gets its protein from, only
that all the necessary amino acids are there when it needs them. And
since it's very easy to get plenty of protein/all the aminos from a
vegetarian diet, it's very possible.

Very easy? By consuming lethal levels of Soy?

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Jerry said:

NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

-- and by "vegan" I simply mean
no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.)

That would be a vegetarian, not a vegan.

This guy is a total vegan, I believe.
http://www.mikemahler.com/
I don't think it is all that rare its just that not well documented since
the average joe sixpack [censored]-for-brains wouldn't be interested and you'll
find that makes up 99.99% of the fitness market.(hell, 99.99% of human
society in general!!)

I should also add that this guy looks pretty crappy if you ask me. If you
told me that guy never lifted a single weight in his entire life, I would
have no problem believing you. That guys picture is pretty much the typical
picture of a Joe Sixpack.

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NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

Quoted message said:

Just wondering if anyone knows a "buffed" vegan. I doubt there are

any

Quoted message said:

pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders -- and by "vegan" I simply

mean

Quoted message said:

no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is
it at least theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily
mean animal proteins, at least at that level of competition??

Your body doesn't care from what source it gets its protein from, only
that all the necessary amino acids are there when it needs them. And
since it's very easy to get plenty of protein/all the aminos from a
vegetarian diet, it's very possible. The limiting factor, a
generalization, is that most vegetarians tend to care about their
health and longevity much more than the heavy steriod-doping lab rats
who [dis]grace the covers of the muscle magazines.

Patrick

Have you considered the possibility that there are other things in
meat besides protein that are essential for good health in humans?

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I need some wind to get me sailing"

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NYC XYZ said:

Hi, All:

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Just wondering if anyone knows a "buffed" vegan. I doubt there are

any

Quoted message said:

pro or even amateur vegan bodybuilders -- and by "vegan" I simply

mean

Quoted message said:

no meat, but do allow for diary products (milk, eggs, etc.) -- but is
it at least theoretically possible, or does muscle mass necessarily
mean animal proteins, at least at that level of competition??

Your body doesn't care from what source it gets its protein from, only
that all the necessary amino acids are there when it needs them. And
since it's very easy to get plenty of protein/all the aminos from a
vegetarian diet, it's very possible. The limiting factor, a
generalization, is that most vegetarians tend to care about their
health and longevity much more than the heavy steriod-doping lab rats
who [dis]grace the covers of the muscle magazines.

Patrick

Have you considered the possibility that there are other things in
meat besides protein that are essential for good health in humans?

You mean like fiber and anti-oxidants?