I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have become more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift stretching was very important. But how important is it?
At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day a week split routine to stretch post workout/set?
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I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have
become
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more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I
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used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still
gaining
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in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift stretching was very important. But how important is it?
At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day
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week split routine to stretch post workout/set?
This 50 year old RN, who, as a paramedic, dealt with the often tragic consequences of inflexibility in old people, STRONGLY advises you do do as I do...lots of post-lifting stretching.
David
What really does stretching do for a person that utilizing full range of motion exercise, balancing planar joint action volume can't. Isn't the greatest benefit to post workout stretching in its recovery enhancement?
Does static stretching really improve dynamic immobility problems? If a muscle is short and weak, will static stretching really help it more than technically sound, joint balanced movement?
My $.02 is that there is more to be gained from calisthenic exercise, reserving post workout stretching's role to a recovery aid role. Not that stretching is bad, but it compliments a well rounded approach.
I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have become more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift stretching was very important. But how important is it?
At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day a week split routine to stretch post workout/set?
I'm 46 going on 47. I don't stretch at all (as a post workout routine) and don't feel a need to. I don't feel inflexible due to weight training, either. I do 3 full-body workouts per week. I cycle on weekends.
I guess I'm curious too as to why a stretching routine is needed.
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I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have become more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift stretching was very important. But how important is it?
PT thinks it will prevent injuries, this is bollocks. Google the group, a study showing this has been posted a few times.
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At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day a week split routine to stretch post workout/set?
If you don't ever stretch, then you will steadily lose flexibility. That would not be good. After your workout is convenient, but you could also put in little bits of stretching whenever you have free time through the day.
"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote >> > rev wrote: >> I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have > become >> more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I > >> used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still > gaining >> in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell less >> flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift >> stretching was very important. But how important is it? >> >> At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no >> stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and >> compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day > a >> week split routine to stretch post workout/set? > > This 50 year old RN, who, as a paramedic, dealt with the often tragic > consequences of inflexibility in old people, STRONGLY advises you do > do > as I do...lots of post-lifting stretching.
What really does stretching do for a person that utilizing full range of motion exercise, balancing planar joint action volume can't. Isn't the greatest benefit to post workout stretching in its recovery enhancement?
Not to us old farts. Joints cannot be safely stretched fully under a heavy load. Only a "stretching routine" can do so.
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technically sound, joint balanced movement?
It is not an either/or. I am not dealing with short, weak muscles. I am discussing an over 50 person who lifts weights and does cardio regularly. For that person (me and rev), static stretching helps to prevent infirmity and injury.
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My $.02 is that there is more to be gained from calisthenic exercise, reserving post workout stretching's role to a recovery aid role. Not that stretching is bad, but it compliments a well rounded approach.
Exactly. It's ALL good.
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rev <[email hidden]*an*> wrote: > I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have become > more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I > used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still > gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell > less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift > stretching was very important. But how important is it? > > At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no > stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and > compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day a > week split routine to stretch post workout/set?
I'm 46 going on 47. I don't stretch at all (as a post workout routine) and don't feel a need to. I don't feel inflexible due to weight training, either. I do 3 full-body workouts per week. I cycle on weekends.
I guess I'm curious too as to why a stretching routine is needed.
As you get older, your joints lose flexibility. Lifting stretches many of them, but not all, and many not to the fullest extent. A specific stretching routine...head to toe, each and every joint possible...is particularly beneficial to the older folks.
Agreed...
And it's good for Kama Sutra sex also. Right David baby? ;-)
I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have
become
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more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I
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used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still
gaining
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in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift stretching was very important. But how important is it?
At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day
a
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week split routine to stretch post workout/set?
Cheers
-- Bob Volkmer rev@IRC
Stretching doesn't have to be a "routine" unto itself or cut into your gygm time. I don't do yoga, but I find the "sun salute" to be an effective full-body stretch that can be performed in a matter of seconds.
At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day a week split routine to stretch post workout/set?
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Stretching doesn't have to be a "routine" unto itself or cut into your gym time. I don't do yoga, but I find the "sun salute" to be an effective full-body stretch that can be performed in a matter of seconds.
you can decide your own goals. can you tie your shoes up just bending over? do you jump in and out of the car like a kid? what differentiates "an old guy" from "he looks young" is sometimes how we move. how do you want to be in 5 years?
i would say you could do a 3 day split stretch routine. hams/calfs/quads...chest/rear delts... twisting... and just repeat it. don't need a LOT of time. how about in beteen sets? stretch the muscles you're NOT using that day.
the sun salutation does a lot (i do it almost every day), but it does look goofy to a non-yoga crowd. maybe you don't mind. ....thehick
"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote > rev <[email hidden]*an*> wrote: >> I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have become >> more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I >> used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still >> gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell >> less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift >> stretching was very important. But how important is it? >> >> At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no >> stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and >> compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day a >> week split routine to stretch post workout/set? > > I'm 46 going on 47. I don't stretch at all (as a post workout routine) > and > don't feel a need to. I don't feel inflexible due to weight training, > either. I do 3 full-body workouts per week. I cycle on weekends. > > I guess I'm curious too as to why a stretching routine is needed.
As you get older, your joints lose flexibility. Lifting stretches many of them, but not all, and many not to the fullest extent. A specific stretching routine...head to toe, each and every joint possible...is particularly beneficial to the older folks.
Agreed...
And it's good for Kama Sutra sex also. Right David baby? ;-)
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David
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I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have
become
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more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I
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used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still
gaining
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in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift stretching was very important. But how important is it?
At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day
a
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week split routine to stretch post workout/set?
Cheers
-- Bob Volkmer rev@IRC
Stretching doesn't have to be a "routine" unto itself or cut into your gygm time. I don't do yoga, but I find the "sun salute" to be an effective full-body stretch that can be performed in a matter of seconds.
Only [censored] and sailors would do something called a sun salute;-)
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>> consequences of inflexibility in old people, STRONGLY advises you do >> do >> as I do...lots of post-lifting stretching. > > What really does stretching do for a person that utilizing full range > of > motion exercise, balancing planar joint action volume can't. Isn't
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> that stretching is bad, but it compliments a well rounded approach.
Exactly. It's ALL good.
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I go all the way down to the freaking bookstore - a 20 minute ride - and he tells me he didn't *actually* get the books in yet - he just phoned my wife to say they were on order - and she misunderstood - of course I hurled an epithet at him (it missed and broke his window) - so looks like a week at least . . .dog ate some concrete bits today and threw up half an hour later - friend of mine's dog is so well trained he only eats on command.
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>"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote > >>rev <[email hidden]*an*> wrote: >> >>>I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have become >>>more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I >>>used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still >>>gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell >>>less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift >>>stretching was very important. But how important is it? >>> >>>At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no >>>stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and >>>compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day a >>>week split routine to stretch post workout/set? >> >>I'm 46 going on 47. I don't stretch at all (as a post workout routine) >>and >>don't feel a need to. I don't feel inflexible due to weight training, >>either. I do 3 full-body workouts per week. I cycle on weekends. >> >>I guess I'm curious too as to why a stretching routine is needed. > >As you get older, your joints lose flexibility. Lifting stretches many of >them, but not all, and many not to the fullest extent. A specific >stretching >routine...head to toe, each and every joint possible...is particularly >beneficial to the older folks.
Agreed...
And it's good for Kama Sutra sex also. Right David baby? ;-)
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>"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >>"Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote >> >>>rev <[email hidden]*an*> wrote: >>> >>>>I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have become >>>>more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few months. When I >>>>used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still >>>>gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to fell >>>>less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that post lift >>>>stretching was very important. But how important is it? >>>> >>>>At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with no >>>>stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free wights and >>>>compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of time to my 4 day a >>>>week split routine to stretch post workout/set? >>> >>>I'm 46 going on 47. I don't stretch at all (as a post workout routine) >>>and >>>don't feel a need to. I don't feel inflexible due to weight training, >>>either. I do 3 full-body workouts per week. I cycle on weekends. >>> >>>I guess I'm curious too as to why a stretching routine is needed. >> >>As you get older, your joints lose flexibility. Lifting stretches many of >>them, but not all, and many not to the fullest extent. A specific >>stretching >>routine...head to toe, each and every joint possible...is particularly >>beneficial to the older folks. > >Agreed... > >And it's good for Kama Sutra sex also. >Right David baby? ;-)
It is not an either/or. I am not dealing with short, weak muscles. I am discussing an over 50 person who lifts weights and does cardio regularly. For that person (me and rev), static stretching helps to prevent infirmity and injury.
I'm 49 and lift weights and do cardio regularly.
For the the last 3 years I have never stretched and never really had an injury (a couple of muscles sore for a couple of weeks), and apart from DOMS (which I don't mind that much) feel great after workouts.
Nor am I aware of any definitive studies that show any benefits to stretching in reducing injuries.
"Jay" <[email hidden]> wrote > "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote >> >> rev wrote: >>> I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have >>> become more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few >>> months. When I >> >>> used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still >>> gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to >>> fell less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that >>> post lift stretching was very important. But how important is it? >>> >>> At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with >>> no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free >>> wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of >>> time to my 4 day a week split routine to stretch post >>> workout/set? >> >> This 50 year old RN, who, as a paramedic, dealt with the often >> tragic consequences of inflexibility in old people, STRONGLY >> advises you do do as I do...lots of post-lifting stretching. > > What really does stretching do for a person that utilizing full > range of motion exercise, balancing planar joint action volume > can't. Isn't the greatest benefit to post workout stretching in > its recovery enhancement?
Not to us old farts. Joints cannot be safely stretched fully under a heavy load. Only a "stretching routine" can do so. > > Does static stretching really improve dynamic immobility problems? > If a muscle is short and weak, will static stretching really help > it more than technically sound, joint balanced movement?
It is not an either/or. I am not dealing with short, weak muscles. I am discussing an over 50 person who lifts weights and does cardio regularly. For that person (me and rev), static stretching helps to prevent infirmity and injury. > > My $.02 is that there is more to be gained from calisthenic > exercise, reserving post workout stretching's role to a recovery > aid role. Not that stretching is bad, but it compliments a well > rounded approach.
Exactly. It's ALL good.
I don't think your stretching has to go with your gym time, does it? You could stretch whenever, as long as you do it.
Sure. It just fits in so well after lifting.
David
umm...I'd hesitate to just say "sure". Stretching that pushes / increases flexibility should be done with warm muscles and joints. Stretching cold should only be for warmup. IOW, don't try to push your limits when cold or you risk pulling something. I speak from experience here. I pulled a groin muscle once stretching cold. Took over six months to heal. -- -Larry
"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote > "Jay" <[email hidden]> wrote >> "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote >> >>> rev wrote: >>>> I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have >>>> become more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few >>>> months. When I >>> >>>> used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am still >>>> gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am starting to >>>> fell less flexible. I overheard a PT telling another lifter that >>>> post lift stretching was very important. But how important is it? >>>> >>>> At 53, now, will I finish up so inflexible in a few years (with >>>> no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do free >>>> wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add lots of >>>> time to my 4 day a week split routine to stretch post >>>> workout/set? >>> >>> This 50 year old RN, who, as a paramedic, dealt with the often >>> tragic consequences of inflexibility in old people, STRONGLY >>> advises you do do as I do...lots of post-lifting stretching. >> >> What really does stretching do for a person that utilizing full >> range of motion exercise, balancing planar joint action volume >> can't. Isn't the greatest benefit to post workout stretching in >> its recovery enhancement? > > Not to us old farts. Joints cannot be safely stretched fully under a > heavy load. Only a "stretching routine" can do so. >> >> Does static stretching really improve dynamic immobility problems? >> If a muscle is short and weak, will static stretching really help >> it more than technically sound, joint balanced movement? > > It is not an either/or. I am not dealing with short, weak muscles. > I am discussing an over 50 person who lifts weights and does cardio > regularly. For that person (me and rev), static stretching helps to > prevent infirmity and injury. >> >> My $.02 is that there is more to be gained from calisthenic >> exercise, reserving post workout stretching's role to a recovery >> aid role. Not that stretching is bad, but it compliments a well >> rounded approach. > > Exactly. It's ALL good. > I don't think your stretching has to go with your gym time, does it? You could stretch whenever, as long as you do it.
Sure. It just fits in so well after lifting.
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umm...I'd hesitate to just say "sure". Stretching that pushes / increases flexibility should be done with warm muscles and joints. Stretching cold should only be for warmup. IOW, don't try to push your limits when cold or you risk pulling something. I speak from experience here. I pulled a groin muscle once stretching cold. Took over six months to heal.
"Hugh Beyer" <[email hidden]> wrote > "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote >> "Jay" <[email hidden]> wrote >>> "David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote >> >>>> rev wrote: >>>>> I know that stretching (post lifting) is recommended but I have >>>>> become more ambivalent (time pressure) about it the last few >>>>> months. When I >>>> >>>>> used to use a PT he always made sure I was stretched. I am >>>>> still gaining in terms of strength and appearance but I am >>>>> starting to fell less flexible. I overheard a PT telling >>>>> another lifter that post lift stretching was very important. >>>>> But how important is it? At 53, now, will I finish up so >>>>> inflexible in a few years >>>>> (with no stretching) that it will be a problem? I try and do >>>>> free wights and compound lifts in the main. Or should I add >>>>> lots of time to my 4 day a week split routine to stretch post >>>>> workout/set? >>>> >>>> This 50 year old RN, who, as a paramedic, dealt with the often >>>> tragic consequences of inflexibility in old people, STRONGLY >>>> advises you do do as I do...lots of post-lifting stretching. >>> >>> What really does stretching do for a person that utilizing full >>> range of motion exercise, balancing planar joint action volume >>> can't. Isn't the greatest benefit to post workout stretching in >>> its recovery enhancement? >> >> Not to us old farts. Joints cannot be safely stretched fully >> under a heavy load. Only a "stretching routine" can do so. >>> >>> Does static stretching really improve dynamic immobility >>> problems? If a muscle is short and weak, will static stretching >>> really help it more than technically sound, joint balanced >>> movement? >> >> It is not an either/or. I am not dealing with short, weak muscles. >> I am discussing an over 50 person who lifts weights and does >> cardio regularly. For that person (me and rev), static stretching >> helps to prevent infirmity and injury. >>> >>> My $.02 is that there is more to be gained from calisthenic >>> exercise, reserving post workout stretching's role to a recovery >>> aid role. Not that stretching is bad, but it compliments a >>> well rounded approach. >> >> Exactly. It's ALL good. >> > I don't think your stretching has to go with your gym time, does > it? You could stretch whenever, as long as you do it.
Sure. It just fits in so well after lifting.
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umm...I'd hesitate to just say "sure". Stretching that pushes / increases flexibility should be done with warm muscles and joints. Stretching cold should only be for warmup. IOW, don't try to push your limits when cold or you risk pulling something. I speak from experience here. I pulled a groin muscle once stretching cold. Took over six months to heal.
You're right. I sit corrected.
David
But are you sitting correctly? Back straight, shoulders back and not hunched over?
Remember the hippie chairs where you kind of knelt on a padded support? What were those things called? And remember Earth Shoes?
