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  1. Understanding "Codex"

    Opinion by Consumer Advocate Tim Bolen
    http://educate-yourself.org/cn/timbolenunderstandingcodex20feb05.shtml
    Feb. 20, 2005

    I get a lot of e-mails, phone calls, and personal requests to "get
    involved" in the "Codex" problem. Until today, you haven't heard anything
    from me on the subject. Why? Because, simply, I haven't yet figured out
    exactly what's happening with the whole thing. I, myself, have been asking
    questions of my contacts all over the world. I have a lot of contacts.

    From my research, and it has only begun, and the research and observations
    of others whose opinions I respect, I've reached some tentative conclusions
    and, using the scientific method, have come up with a working hypothesis,
    and some possibilities for solution. I'm going to share my thinking, and
    observations, with you.

    (1) The "Codex" issue is NOT about stopping supplements worldwide. It is
    about Big Pharma TAKING OVER, and completely controlling the supplement
    industry.

    (2) The "Codex" issue is NOT a "by itself" issue. It is simply a symptom,
    and a manifestation, of a much larger problem. What's happening on Planet
    Earth is that multinational corporations, now, are so large that they, in
    their daily business dealings, are much larger, and certainly more powerful
    than MOST of Earth's nations. Those multinational corporations have set up
    the World Trade Organization (WTO) as the new world government, completely
    under their control.

    (3) The multinational corporations, through the WTO, have set up the
    situation where THEY are challenging both the idea of DEMOCRACY (people
    governing themselves) and the power of governments to control world policy.

    (4) The multinational corporations, through the WTO, have set up the
    situation where THEY are intentionally attempting to destroy the North
    American economy - and that of ALL of the United States' historical allies.

    (5) Big Pharma, knowing it is "going down," because of its murderous
    avariciousness, is attempting to move its PEOPLE into new positions. One of
    those places is "the supplement industry.."

    (6) Big Pharma, knowing it is "going down," is funding its next attempt at
    world domination (yes, that's what this is about) in the United States -
    with its DRUG PRICING SCHEMES, and its control, through huge advertising
    budgets, of the US media. US citizens pay five times what everyone else pays
    for drugs - for no good reason. Big Pharma is doing this, I believe, to
    destroy American Industry's ability to compete in a world market.

    What Makes Me Think This Way?

    I don't believe in coincidence.

    I met with the Alliance for Natural Health's (ANH) Executive Director
    Robert Verkerk a few months ago. ANH, as you probably already know, is
    leading the legal battle, in Europe, over the Codex issues. They are doing a
    very good job.

    I am, in my business life, a war oriented Crisis Management Consultant.
    So, one of the first questions I ask of my clients, or prospective clients,
    is "who is behind this attack on you?" I want very specific answers - for if
    I take on a project - "the opposition's" Command Post is going to get
    (figuratively speaking) bombed into dust particles IMMEDIATELY - just to
    level the playing field.

    So I asked Robert VerKerk about Codex. I asked my usual question "who is
    behind this attack on you?" Simply, I want to know, who exactly is "the
    opposition." Who, exactly, is setting up, and running, the attack on
    supplements worldwide? Robert's answer was one word...

    "Merck."

    "Merck?" As in the same "Merck" that heinously murdered 55,000+ Americans
    with its deadly Vioxx? As in the same "Merck" that heinously spent 500
    million dollars with American network television, funneled through its New
    York ad agency (quackbusters?), AFTER it knew how deadly its product was?

    Yes. The very same "Merck."

    "Merck," according to VerKerk, controls the manufacturing and distribution
    of the base ingredients OF THE ONLY SUPPLEMENTS THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE in
    Europe - and possibly North America.

    See why "I don't believe in coincidence?"

    So - What Do We Do About This?

    (1) Understanding a problem is halfway to solution... (2) We support the
    Alliance for Natural Health's (ANH)'s legal campaign. (3) We target Big
    Pharma's money stream right here in the US (we are already doing this) (4)
    We need to STOP ALL advertising of drugs - period. We need to control our
    own media - not allow Big Pharma to call the shots. (5) We must arrest Merck
    executives in the US, seize their personal property, and stick them in
    Guantanamo Bay until we're ready to put them on trial...

    Think "Merck"... But "Merck" is not alone. Think "Big Pharma." This is
    battle for World Domination - period. Either "we the people" run our
    governments, AND DECIDE WORLD POLICY, or big multinational corporations
    will - through the WTO.

    Choose.

    Tim Bolen - Consumer Advocate

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  2. "john" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Understanding "Codex"

    Thanks for the simplification of the whole problem. Here is a better over
    simplification of the thing that doesn't take a lot of thinking and that is
    anything you buy with money is sold for the money.

    I am not smart enough dealing with complicated issues without simplifying
    them and blaming it all on corporate greed.

  3. On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 02:47:22 GMT, "Jeff" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    Wrong. It is about ensuring quality standards.

    http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

    Correct.

    Too many expensive nutritional products don't contain the ingredients
    printed on label, or deviate very much from declarated amounts.

    And many pills are not soluble in stomach/intestines/colon and says
    just plonk when you sit on toilet. The pills could equally be
    concrete.

  4. On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 21:59:36 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    As long as no concrete claims are made without proof and no health hazard
    exists and the product is a conglomerate unspecified Jacks secret sauce type
    of product then I see no reason why they would need controls on that type of
    product.
    For specific ingredients such as vitamins and minerals they should
    definitely have controls on that to ensure potency. If you buy a bottle of
    vitamin C then you should get the specific amount otherwise they shouldn't
    use potency.

    Even most legal products may vary more than 25% from declared amounts.

    And far too often sportsmen are testing positive for nandrolone after
    using "nutrition pills", mostly as an impurity not declared on the
    bottle, entered into the tablets because they produce dope preparats
    during night and do not clean the packing machine and/or production
    equiptments.

    We are just wanting to have clean preparats that contain what is
    declared and free of any kind of impurities. (Like the tryptofan
    impurity some years ago)

  5. I agree that better Q/A is needed in the supplement industry.

    Can anyone tell me how CODEX will affect the availability of dietary
    supplements in the US?

    I have heard that things as harmless as fish oil and CoQ10 will be
    banned under the new controls and that only minimum dose vitamins and
    minerals will be able to be sold.

    Thanks,

    Randy

    http:///www.antiagingatlanta.com

  6. "HGHDOC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I agree that better Q/A is needed in the supplement industry.

    Can anyone tell me how CODEX will affect the availability of dietary
    supplements in the US?

    I have heard that things as harmless as fish oil and CoQ10 will be
    banned under the new controls and that only minimum dose vitamins and
    minerals will be able to be sold.

    Thanks,

    Randy

    http:///www.antiagingatlanta.com

    I'll suggest www.nutraingredients.com
    as it has numerous supplement industry related articles.
    It comes in both an European version and an USA version.
    The industry is working hard to get ingredients approved
    and on the list.


  7. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Alf says
    And many pills are not soluble in stomach/intestines/colon and says
    just plonk when you sit on toilet. The pills could equally be
    concrete.

    DW says
    Is this really all that common? Every pill I've ever tested
    disintegrated quite nicely in a still glass of water within an
    hour or two.

    The last time I found a tablet that didn't breakdown was
    1975, the cheapest brand of vitamin C at the local
    Rexall. And I've check anything that seems suspect.


  8. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Alf says
    And many pills are not soluble in stomach/intestines/colon and says
    just plonk when you sit on toilet. The pills could equally be
    concrete.

    DW says
    Is this really all that common? Every pill I've ever tested
    disintegrated quite nicely in a still glass of water within an
    hour or two.

    The last time I found a tablet that didn't breakdown was
    1975, the cheapest brand of vitamin C at the local
    Rexall. And I've check anything that seems suspect.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,

    John Que said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Alf says
    And many pills are not soluble in stomach/intestines/colon and says
    just plonk when you sit on toilet. The pills could equally be
    concrete.

    DW says
    Is this really all that common? Every pill I've ever tested
    disintegrated quite nicely in a still glass of water within an
    hour or two.

    The last time I found a tablet that didn't breakdown was
    1975, the cheapest brand of vitamin C at the local
    Rexall. And I've check anything that seems suspect.

    Every so often, I'll take a sample of all the vitamin pills I have on
    hand, drop them into a glass of water, and check them a few hours
    later. Invariably, the tablet have all disintegrated and the gels
    have all burst. I've seen some tablets that actively disintegrated
    before my eyes, quite amazing.

    It's a common claim of alties selling vitamin pills that most such
    pills don't disintegrate and that they pass through your digestive
    system unaltered, and can be found clogging the filters at the local
    sewage treatment plant. For some reason, Tacoma, WA, is often cited
    as an example, though the numbers claimed are ridiculous. I even went
    so far as to call my local wastewater treatment plant, and they'd
    never seen any pills blocking the filters.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
    meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
    that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

  10. "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,

    John Que said:


    Quoted message said:

    > Alf says
    >And many pills are not soluble in stomach/intestines/colon and says
    >just plonk when you sit on toilet. The pills could equally be
    >concrete.

    DW says
    Is this really all that common? Every pill I've ever tested
    disintegrated quite nicely in a still glass of water within an
    hour or two.

    The last time I found a tablet that didn't breakdown was
    1975, the cheapest brand of vitamin C at the local
    Rexall. And I've check anything that seems suspect.

    Every so often, I'll take a sample of all the vitamin pills I have on
    hand, drop them into a glass of water, and check them a few hours
    later. Invariably, the tablet have all disintegrated and the gels
    have all burst. I've seen some tablets that actively disintegrated
    before my eyes, quite amazing.

    It's a common claim of alties selling vitamin pills that most such
    pills don't disintegrate and that they pass through your digestive
    system unaltered, and can be found clogging the filters at the local
    sewage treatment plant. For some reason, Tacoma, WA, is often cited
    as an example, though the numbers claimed are ridiculous. I even went
    so far as to call my local wastewater treatment plant, and they'd
    never seen any pills blocking the filters.

    Really, ringing up to find that out !
    You wouldn't be half thick now would you ?

    Cheers, Rod

    Quoted message said:


    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
    meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
    that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

  11. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rod said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a common claim of alties selling vitamin pills that most such
    pills don't disintegrate and that they pass through your digestive
    system unaltered, and can be found clogging the filters at the local
    sewage treatment plant. For some reason, Tacoma, WA, is often cited
    as an example, though the numbers claimed are ridiculous. I even went
    so far as to call my local wastewater treatment plant, and they'd
    never seen any pills blocking the filters.

    Really, ringing up to find that out !
    You wouldn't be half thick now would you ?

    It's called "being thorough," pinhead. I'm sure you wouldn't know
    anything about that. Had I not done it, some low-IQ poster like
    yourself would have insisted the story was true and that it was
    incumbent upon me to check with the treatment plants.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
    meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
    that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rod said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a common claim of alties selling vitamin pills that most such
    pills don't disintegrate and that they pass through your digestive
    system unaltered, and can be found clogging the filters at the local
    sewage treatment plant. For some reason, Tacoma, WA, is often cited
    as an example, though the numbers claimed are ridiculous. I even went
    so far as to call my local wastewater treatment plant, and they'd
    never seen any pills blocking the filters.

    Really, ringing up to find that out !
    You wouldn't be half thick now would you ?

    It's called "being thorough," pinhead. I'm sure you wouldn't know
    anything about that. Had I not done it, some low-IQ poster like
    yourself would have insisted the story was true and that it was
    incumbent upon me to check with the treatment plants.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
    meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
    that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rod said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a common claim of alties selling vitamin pills that most such
    pills don't disintegrate and that they pass through your digestive
    system unaltered, and can be found clogging the filters at the local
    sewage treatment plant. For some reason, Tacoma, WA, is often cited
    as an example, though the numbers claimed are ridiculous. I even went
    so far as to call my local wastewater treatment plant, and they'd
    never seen any pills blocking the filters.

    Really, ringing up to find that out !
    You wouldn't be half thick now would you ?

    It's called "being thorough," pinhead. I'm sure you wouldn't know
    anything about that. Had I not done it, some low-IQ poster like
    yourself would have insisted the story was true and that it was
    incumbent upon me to check with the treatment plants.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
    meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
    that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Rod said:


    "David Wright" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It's a common claim of alties selling vitamin pills that most such
    pills don't disintegrate and that they pass through your digestive
    system unaltered, and can be found clogging the filters at the local
    sewage treatment plant. For some reason, Tacoma, WA, is often cited
    as an example, though the numbers claimed are ridiculous. I even went
    so far as to call my local wastewater treatment plant, and they'd
    never seen any pills blocking the filters.

    Really, ringing up to find that out !
    You wouldn't be half thick now would you ?

    It's called "being thorough," pinhead. I'm sure you wouldn't know
    anything about that. Had I not done it, some low-IQ poster like
    yourself would have insisted the story was true and that it was
    incumbent upon me to check with the treatment plants.

    -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
    These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
    "His staff loves to say Bush is a man who doesn't know the
    meaning of the word 'quit.' Well, apparently he's not all
    that conversant with the word 'shame' either." (Will Durst)

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