Soreness in shoulders

Travis said:

When doing dumbell flys, lateral raises and front raises (e.g. anything
involving lifts with a straight or nearly straight arm) I feel pain in
my shoulders. It isn't bad pain, but I'm just concerned about giving
myself an injury and making it worse.

This isn't a "that was a really good workout, my muscles are aching"
sort of pain, its a "feels like I've got an injury" sort of pain.

Some people just aren't made for some exercises. You've learned the ones
that your shoulders don't like BEFORE you were injured, and this makes
you rather lucky. All of those exercises are unnecessary movements and
can easilly be dropped or replaced with more effective exercises.

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I think I'll see my doctor about it but is this sort of thing common?
Will resting my shoulders for a whole fix the problem or does this sort
of thing usually need physiotherapy?

Just don't do the exercises that hurt your shoulders. If your shoulders
now feel injured AFTER you've stopped, then consider your treatment
options. Otherwise, wtf?

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T

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spodosaurus said:

Some people just aren't made for some exercises. You've learned the

ones

Quoted message said:

that your shoulders don't like BEFORE you were injured, and this

makes

Quoted message said:

you rather lucky. All of those exercises are unnecessary movements

and

Quoted message said:

can easilly be dropped or replaced with more effective exercises.

Ok, what exercises do you suggest I should replace them with?

Quoted message said:

Just don't do the exercises that hurt your shoulders.

Sounds pretty sensible! 🙂

T

Travis said:

spodosaurus said:

Some people just aren't made for some exercises. You've learned the

ones

Quoted message said:

that your shoulders don't like BEFORE you were injured, and this

makes

Quoted message said:

you rather lucky. All of those exercises are unnecessary movements

and

Quoted message said:

can easilly be dropped or replaced with more effective exercises.

Ok, what exercises do you suggest I should replace them with?

Quoted message said:

Just don't do the exercises that hurt your shoulders.

Sounds pretty sensible! 🙂

T

You could work your delts with overhead presses: military press,
Arnold dumbell pressses, etc. The rear delt you could hit with a bent
over dumbell row, seated cable row, etc. Maybe do dumbell bench press
instead of flies for pecs.

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I need some wind to get me sailing"

Proton Soup said:

Travis said:

spodosaurus said:

Some people just aren't made for some exercises. You've learned the

ones

Quoted message said:

that your shoulders don't like BEFORE you were injured, and this

makes

Quoted message said:

you rather lucky. All of those exercises are unnecessary movements

and

Quoted message said:

can easilly be dropped or replaced with more effective exercises.

Ok, what exercises do you suggest I should replace them with?

Quoted message said:

Just don't do the exercises that hurt your shoulders.

Sounds pretty sensible! 🙂

T

You could work your delts with overhead presses: military press,
Arnold dumbell pressses, etc. The rear delt you could hit with a bent
over dumbell row, seated cable row, etc. Maybe do dumbell bench press
instead of flies for pecs.

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Proton Soup

"And all this peace has been deceiving,
I need some wind to get me sailing"

Yep, PS's suggestions are good ones. There are a yriad of exercises you
could use instead, Travis. For shoulders, dumbbell or barbell presses.
for chest, bench presses (incline or flat) or dips. For a reasonable
variety of different exercises, have a look at this website (though keep
in mined that the form shown in the demonstration images is often quite
poor):

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

Cheers,

Ari

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I've had the same sensation in the shoulders and agree that it's a
warning that you're susceptible. Besides the compound exercises, I'd
also suggest and continue to do the exercises that can cause problems,
but only after thoroughly warming up the shoulders with windmills and
light sets and also ensuring that the arms are bent. Still hits the
muscles but without the stress.

Take a week or two to get the joints back to normal before continuing.

If you see a doctor and it's serious, you may receive a cortisone shot,
as i did. Very effective; only proviso is that you can't continue to do
the same problem exercises or the problem will return.

I should add that i never do any straight or bent arm shoulder moves
any more. Just stay with presses for shoulders. For chest though, I
still find flys better, plus they don't aggrevate the shoulders as much
as shoulder work, from my experience, IF the shoulders are first warmed
up and if the reps are kept high, at least 12, to mitigate trauma.

If you take a week or two off you might be able to avoid a doctor's
visit. Experiment once you've recovered and stick with exercises that
don't create any hint of problems.

Travis said:

When doing dumbell flys, lateral raises and front raises (e.g. anything
involving lifts with a straight or nearly straight arm) I feel pain in
my shoulders. It isn't bad pain, but I'm just concerned about giving
myself an injury and making it worse.

This isn't a "that was a really good workout, my muscles are aching"
sort of pain, its a "feels like I've got an injury" sort of pain.

I think I'll see my doctor about it but is this sort of thing common?
Will resting my shoulders for a whole fix the problem or does this sort
of thing usually need physiotherapy?

That sounds to me like rotator cuff problems, because I had some nasty
pain in my left shoulder when trying to do lateral raises as well. I
caused (or at least triggered) it by doing alternate reps of front
military presses and behind-the-neck military presses 5 years ago. All
of a sudden something tweaked, I dropped the bar, and just about fell
over from the surprise and pain.

For years after that I couldn't do a military press or lateral raise
motion without pain, even with no resistance but the weight of my arm.
Heck, I could hardly lift my arm laterally without pain. I layed off
shoulder exercises and it has gradually gone away, and now I can do a
military press motion without a problem so far.

So anyway, back to you, try standing rows. I've found that to not
exaberate the problem. As far as what to do to actually address the
problem, might not be a good idea to listen to the guy who mainly
ignored it for 5 years.

Or maybe yours aint even rotator cuff issues.

Dave

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This isn't a "that was a really good workout, my muscles are aching"
sort of pain, its a "feels like I've got an injury" sort of pain.

Then your subject is misleading. This isn't "soreness in shoulders,"
but pain.

Quoted message said:

I think I'll see my doctor about it but is this sort of thing common?

Dunno.

Quoted message said:

Will resting my shoulders for a whole fix the problem or does this sort
of thing usually need physiotherapy?

Dunno. But it might be resolvable simply with the appropriate
flexibility exercises. My wife swears by "Stretch & Strengthen," by
Judy Alter. I haven't begun any of the exercises in the book,
myself, but if the Forward and Introduction are to be believed, the
exercises therein can resolve just about *any* muscle or joint
"issue."

I do know this: When I tweaked my upper back, a number of years ago,
doing a stupid, stupid thing, my doctor, based upon a specialist's
exam, figured I was in for an extended recovery period. (My mobility
was seriously impaired and my right hand all but non-functional.) My
wife gave me a homeopathic remedy, performed shiatsu (oriental
pressure/massage therapy) and had me do three or four of the
exercises in that book. One week later I had nearly 100% mobility
back and 75% of my right hand. My doctor, an osteopath and teacher
in chiropractic medicine, was quite honestly shocked.

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I had some issues a few months ago and tried specific strengthening
exercises. It turns out my rotators are fine, but these helped me anyway.
Only problem now is I have a bit of arthritis in my left shoulder (among
other places!), but these keep it flexible and strong. I'll be 50 this year
and I'm doing pretty well after all these years liftin'!

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Quoted message said:

When doing dumbell flys, lateral raises and front raises (e.g. anything
involving lifts with a straight or nearly straight arm) I feel pain in
my shoulders. It isn't bad pain, but I'm just concerned about giving
myself an injury and making it worse.

This isn't a "that was a really good workout, my muscles are aching"
sort of pain, its a "feels like I've got an injury" sort of pain.

I think I'll see my doctor about it but is this sort of thing common?
Will resting my shoulders for a whole fix the problem or does this sort
of thing usually need physiotherapy?

T

ANY exercise including presses that aggrevates the shoulders should be
discontinued if you are predisposed to trauma. I'd start first with
lateral raises, which are the worst, as well as front laterals. If you
have problems with military presses, try going instead to higher reps,
and if that doesn't work, to partial reps, as i think was mentioned-can
still get good muscle stimulation with partials and can avoid the
problem part of the movement.

If all else fails, stop all shoulder work, you'll get indirect work
from exercises for other muscles. Come back to shoulder work when the
shoulders have no pain and after thorough warm ups including slow
windmills in each direction for a few minutes, do high rep presses and
see if that avoids future problems.