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  1. Here is a letter from cyclingnews.com:

    "In my previous two letters (March 11 and 18) I outlined basic problems with
    both the researchers' and testers' logic in using this test to begin with,
    and problems associated with false positives. The fact that the test is very
    good at preventing false negatives (which it was originally designed to do),
    while producing unknown numbers of false positives (there is currently no
    alternative test to confirm positives), leads to two obvious conclusions
    when considering the results of the Athens Olympics blood tests:
    1) Since the test rarely yields false negatives, the practice of homologous
    blood doping is extremely rare or non-existent.
    2) Since blood doping is extremely rare or non-existent, and there is some
    unknown probability of false positives, it is reasonable to expect that:
    a) False positives could easily outnumber true positives or,
    b) All positives are false. Like many others, I find the prospect of a false
    accusation far more repugnant than the prospect of letting a very few
    cheaters get away with their crimes. Until there is an alternative test to
    verify positives (as is the case when an initial HIV test is positive), the
    current test for homologous blood doping simply should not be used.

    John Winnie, Jr."

    Now, wait a minute according to "reggie" and Lafferty we don't need to worry
    about anything concerning Tyler Hamilton except whether he'll be punished
    severely enough for his transgressions.

    And yet here is a man knowledgeable in the field who says that there is a
    good chance that ALL POSITIVES ARE FALSE POSITIVES or FALSE POSITIVES
    OUTNUMBER TRUE POSITIVES.

    Hmm, since there was only two positives and at least one of them couldn't be
    interpreted as a positive by the testing laboratory but required the man
    whose reputation would be threatened by a ineffective testing procedure, I
    suppose I have to wonder why the CAS hasn't come up with a finding yet.

    After all, if the science was flawless, as Lafferty and "reggie" are
    convinced, wouldn't it be an open and shut case?

  2. Tom Kunich said:

    Here is a letter from cyclingnews.com:

    "In my previous two letters (March 11 and 18) I outlined basic


    problems with

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    both the researchers' and testers' logic in using this test to begin


    with,

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    and problems associated with false positives. The fact that the test


    is very

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    good at preventing false negatives (which it was originally designed


    to do),

    Quoted message said:

    while producing unknown numbers of false positives (there is


    currently no

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    alternative test to confirm positives), leads to two obvious


    conclusions

    Quoted message said:

    when considering the results of the Athens Olympics blood tests:
    1) Since the test rarely yields false negatives, the practice of


    homologous

    Quoted message said:

    blood doping is extremely rare or non-existent.
    2) Since blood doping is extremely rare or non-existent, and there is


    some

    Quoted message said:

    unknown probability of false positives, it is reasonable to expect


    that:

    Quoted message said:

    a) False positives could easily outnumber true positives or,
    b) All positives are false. Like many others, I find the prospect of


    a false

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    accusation far more repugnant than the prospect of letting a very few

    Quoted message said:

    cheaters get away with their crimes. Until there is an alternative


    test to

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    verify positives (as is the case when an initial HIV test is


    positive), the

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    current test for homologous blood doping simply should not be used.

    John Winnie, Jr."

    Now, wait a minute according to "reggie" and Lafferty we don't need


    to worry

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    about anything concerning Tyler Hamilton except whether he'll be


    punished

    Quoted message said:

    severely enough for his transgressions.

    And yet here is a man knowledgeable in the field who says that there


    is a

    Quoted message said:

    good chance that ALL POSITIVES ARE FALSE POSITIVES or FALSE POSITIVES

    Quoted message said:

    OUTNUMBER TRUE POSITIVES.

    Hmm, since there was only two positives and at least one of them


    couldn't be

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    interpreted as a positive by the testing laboratory but required the


    man

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    whose reputation would be threatened by a ineffective testing


    procedure, I

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    suppose I have to wonder why the CAS hasn't come up with a finding


    yet.

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    After all, if the science was flawless, as Lafferty and "reggie" are
    convinced, wouldn't it be an open and shut case?

    Give it up, they got Tyler 3 days ago..

    http://news4colorado.com/crimeaccidentreport/local_story_088130110.html

  3. I was wondering how long it would take someone to bring that up in a
    lame attempt at humor.

  4. Scott said:

    I was wondering how long it would take someone to bring that up in a
    lame attempt at humor.

    Yea, I was wondering the same thing, so after 3 days of no mention on
    rbr, I decided I'd take the honors.

    Cheers.

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