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Anyone else have pollution coping strategies?

Yeah--pedal slower.

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Anyone else have pollution coping strategies?

Yeah--pedal slower.

or better yet, quit worrying about it and enjoy yourself, no use adding stress to your life also.

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...pollution?

We went throught our first smog advisory earlier this week.

*sigh*

I avoided cycling except for commuting and tried to limit activity to very early morning.

Anyone else have pollution coping strategies?

Just monitor your body. If you are hot, stop and drink some water. Pour some over your head. If your
heart rate is too fast, rest.

To be honest, I am very suspicious abou the ozone alerts. The major thing seems to be temperature.
Supposedly they relate to pollutants being trapped near the ground, but with what seemed to be a
15-20 mile headwind last week during an ozone alert day, there didn't seem to be much possibility of
pollutants being trapped.

I did a search to see what the standardized conditions for ozone alerts are (not the critical
values, but the test methodology), but ran out of desire before I found them.

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"Barry Gaudet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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...pollution?

We went throught our first smog advisory earlier this week.

*sigh*

I avoided cycling except for commuting and tried to limit activity to very early morning.

Anyone else have pollution coping strategies?

Just monitor your body. If you are hot, stop and drink some water. Pour some over your head. If
your heart rate is too fast, rest.

To be honest, I am very suspicious abou the ozone alerts. The major thing seems to be temperature.
Supposedly they relate to pollutants being trapped near the ground, but with what seemed to be a
15-20 mile headwind last week during an ozone alert day, there didn't seem to be much possibility
of pollutants being trapped.

I did a search to see what the standardized conditions for ozone alerts are (not the critical
values, but the test methodology), but ran out of desire before I found them.

I don't know much about the details, but I believe the primary conditions for the development of
ground-level ozone is heat, humidity and sunshine. I don't think the wind plays much of a factor.

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Mike Kruger said:

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I did a search to see what the standardized conditions for ozone alerts

are

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(not the critical values, but the test methodology), but ran out of

desire

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before I found them.

I don't know much about the details, but I believe the primary conditions for the development of
ground-level ozone is heat, humidity and sunshine. I don't think the wind plays much of a factor.

Here's a link to the revised ozone standard: epa.govo3fact.htmlOpen ↗

Heat, humidity, sunshine and wind all play a factor. It is basically a reaction between volatile
organic compounds (VOCs) and nitrogen oxides in the presence of heat and sunshine. If it is windy,
then the precursor compounds get blown away. It is also interesting to note that many trees are
responsible for emitting VOCs (which are normally attributed to auto exhaust, insectisides,
cleaners, etc.), so heavily wooded areas tend to have high concentrations of VOCs.

What I find crazy is that while one organization is screaming about the negative effects of ozone on
our health, the people making these "ionic" air filters have machines that sit in your home and
generate ozone to "clean the air." Check it out: nutriteam.comcleanair.htmOpen ↗

Ozone Bad! No, Ozone, when classified as "activated oxygen", Good!

-Buck

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"archer" <ns_archer1960@ns_hotmail.com> wrote in message

Mike Kruger said:

Quoted message said:

I did a search to see what the standardized conditions for ozone alerts

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(not the critical values, but the test methodology), but ran out of

desire

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

before I found them.

I don't know much about the details, but I believe the primary conditions for the development of
ground-level ozone is heat, humidity and sunshine. I don't think the wind plays much of a
factor.

Here's a link to the revised ozone standard: epa.govo3fact.htmlOpen ↗

Heat, humidity, sunshine and wind all play a factor. It is basically a reaction between volatile
organic compounds (VOCs) and nitrogen oxides in the presence of heat and sunshine. If it is windy,
then the precursor compounds get blown away. It is also interesting to note that many trees are
responsible for emitting VOCs (which are normally attributed to auto exhaust, insectisides,
cleaners, etc.), so heavily wooded areas tend to have high concentrations of VOCs.

Of course, the wind doesn't actually get rid of them; it just moves them to somewhere else, where
people end up with high ozone levels even without the VOC's and NOx being emitted there. New England
ends up with a lot of New York's pollution levels because of the prevailing winds in the summer.

--
David Kerber An optimist says "Good morning, Lord." While a pessimist says "Good Lord,
it's morning".

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archer' ns_archer1960@ns_hotmail.com said:

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Heat, humidity, sunshine and wind all play a factor. It is basically a reaction between volatile
organic compounds (VOCs) and nitrogen oxides

in

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the presence of heat and sunshine. If it is windy, then the precursor compounds get blown away.
It is also interesting to note that many trees

are

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responsible for emitting VOCs (which are normally attributed to auto exhaust, insectisides,
cleaners, etc.), so heavily wooded areas tend to

have

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high concentrations of VOCs.

Of course, the wind doesn't actually get rid of them; it just moves them to somewhere else,
where people end up with high ozone levels even without the VOC's and NOx being emitted there.
New England ends up with a lot of New York's pollution levels because of the prevailing winds in
the summer.

You are correct, all of the elements move to a different and have the same negative effects there.
Although there is some mixing with upper-level air when the wind is blowing, so the effects aren't
as strong downwind. Ozone itself is highly reactive and doesn't last long in the lower atmosphere
where there are lots of things for it to react with.

Another interesting effect of cities, smog and heat are urban heat islands. Literally an area of
higher atmospheric temperatures over the city. The urban heat island around Atlanta has been shown
to have an effect on the weather south of town. The hot moist air rises over the city, gets cooled
down to form clouds, the prevailing winds push the clouds south, then it rains. So if you live south
of Atlanta, your need for afternoon raingear is not just your imagination.

-Buck

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archer' ns_archer1960@ns_hotmail.com said:

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Heat, humidity, sunshine and wind all play a factor. It is basically a reaction between
volatile organic compounds (VOCs) and nitrogen oxides

in

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

the presence of heat and sunshine. If it is windy, then the precursor compounds get blown
away. It is also interesting to note that many trees

are

Quoted message said:

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responsible for emitting VOCs (which are normally attributed to auto exhaust, insectisides,
cleaners, etc.), so heavily wooded areas tend to

have

Quoted message said:

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high concentrations of VOCs.

Of course, the wind doesn't actually get rid of them; it just moves them to somewhere else,
where people end up with high ozone levels even without the VOC's and NOx being emitted there.
New England ends up with a lot of New York's pollution levels because of the prevailing winds in
the summer.

You are correct, all of the elements move to a different and have the same negative effects there.
Although there is some mixing with upper-level air when the wind is blowing, so the effects aren't
as strong downwind. Ozone itself is highly reactive and doesn't last long in the lower atmosphere
where there are lots of things for it to react with.

Like my lungs <GG>.

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Another interesting effect of cities, smog and heat are urban heat islands. Literally an area of
higher atmospheric temperatures over the city. The urban heat island around Atlanta has been shown
to have an effect on the weather south of town. The hot moist air rises over the city, gets cooled
down to form clouds, the prevailing winds push the clouds south, then it rains. So if you live
south of Atlanta, your need for afternoon raingear is not just your imagination.

I've read about this, and it's pretty interesting to watch on radar animations.

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Barry Gaudet said:

Anyone else have pollution coping strategies?

I make sure I have my albuterol inhaler with me.

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Buck' j u n k m a i l @ g a l a x y c o r p . c o m said:

It is also interesting to note that many trees are responsible for emitting VOCs (which are
normally attributed to auto exhaust, insectisides, cleaners, etc.), so heavily wooded areas tend
to have high concentrations of VOCs.

Hold it there; you're starting to sound like James Watt of the Reagan regime.

If you think that the hydrocarbons produced by plants and those produced by automobiles are
equivalent in their tendency to poison the air, you are woefully mistaken. Forests may have plenty
of plant aromas, but those don't cause smog no matter the conditions.

It's like comparing the exhalation of your xmas tree with that of your lawnmower, or equating
juniper berry essence (that flavors your gin) with gasoline. Bottoms up!

Chalo Colina

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Buck' j u n k m a i l @ g a l a x y c o r p . c o m said:

It is also interesting to note that many trees are responsible for emitting VOCs (which are
normally attributed to auto exhaust, insectisides, cleaners, etc.), so heavily wooded areas tend
to have high concentrations of VOCs.

Hold it there; you're starting to sound like James Watt of the Reagan regime.

If you think that the hydrocarbons produced by plants and those produced by automobiles are
equivalent in their tendency to poison the air, you are woefully mistaken. Forests may have plenty
of plant aromas, but those don't cause smog no matter the conditions.

It's like comparing the exhalation of your xmas tree with that of your lawnmower, or equating
juniper berry essence (that flavors your gin) with gasoline. Bottoms up!

Actually, he's correct to a certain extent. IIRC, oak trees, in particular, release significant
quantities of formaldehyde. In most areas, that source is small compared to the industrial and
automotive contributions, but is certainly not negligible, and in some areas (with few industries or
major roads) it is the major source.

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Mike Kruger said:

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I did a search to see what the standardized conditions for ozone

alerts

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are

Quoted message said:

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(not the critical values, but the test methodology), but ran out of

desire

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before I found them.

I don't know much about the details, but I believe the primary

conditions

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for the development of ground-level ozone is heat, humidity and

sunshine.

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I don't think the wind plays much of a factor.

Here's a link to the revised ozone standard: epa.govo3fact.htmlOpen ↗

Thanks. After reviewing this site, I think I'm a victim. The last couple of days of my tour last
month were ozone alert days. According to the site, "Repeated exposure to ozone can make people more
susceptible to respiratory infection and lung inflammation..."

A couple of days after I returned, I started getting very tired, and having a fever in the
afternoon and evening. After 4 days of this (and with a 103F fever the previous evening), I went
to the doctor, who said I had a lung infection and put me on antibiotics, which definitely have me
on the mend.

These are pretty much the same symptoms, and the same antibiotic cure, I had in August, 2001, after
I finished another tour that involved two centuries during an ozone alert.

It makes sense, of course. The ozone irritates the lungs, and makes it easier for infections to
take hold.

This isn't medical-journal quality evidence, but probably strong enough evidence for me to pay more
attention to very long rides during ozone alerts. Without reading this thread, I probably would have
remained a skeptic.