Poor Simeoni

I think someone should do a psycological workup on cyclists who end up
doing drugs "because everyone else is and it is the only way to
compete" then get the martyr hollyer than thou complex.

To me it seems like a narsasistic pathology, bassically this:

-I can't keep up, God wouldn't make ME not able to keep up.
-Everyone must be doing drugs, that is why they are better than me
-I have to do drugs
Once caught or confess, wraught with guilt:
- I was just this little inoccent cyclist who had no choice.
-Those evil people made me do drugs.
-Cycling is evil, everyone faster than me is evil, and their is a
conspiracy against me to silence me because I am exposing the
evil-ness. It isn't just because I am some whinny little deuchebag drug
user who is trying to blame everyone for my drug use but myself.
-Start building a cross.

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I think someone should do a psycological workup on cyclists who end up
doing drugs "because everyone else is and it is the only way to
compete" then get the martyr hollyer than thou complex.

I bet if you did such a workup you would find elements present in just
about any one of us. This sort of behavior is hardly unique to cycling
or even athletic competition.

Bob Schwartz
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Bob Schwartz said:

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I think someone should do a psycological workup on cyclists who end

up

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doing drugs "because everyone else is and it is the only way to
compete" then get the martyr hollyer than thou complex.

I bet if you did such a workup you would find elements present in

just

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about any one of us. This sort of behavior is hardly unique to

cycling

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or even athletic competition.

Dumbass -

Believe it or not, people who take responsibility for their own
failings do exist.

thanks,

K. Gringioni.
[censored] cyclist without drugs, would have been [censored] with them

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Dumbass -

Believe it or not, people who take responsibility for their own
failings do exist.

we just need some in the cycling world.

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-Everyone must be doing drugs, that is why they are better than me

AGREE !

Kurgan Gringioni said:

Bob Schwartz said:

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I think someone should do a psycological workup on cyclists who end

up

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doing drugs "because everyone else is and it is the only way to
compete" then get the martyr hollyer than thou complex.

I bet if you did such a workup you would find elements present in

just

Quoted message said:

about any one of us. This sort of behavior is hardly unique to

cycling

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or even athletic competition.

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Dumbass -

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Believe it or not, people who take responsibility for their own
failings do exist.

Absolutely true. But they are more rare in highly public situations
involving a lot of money.

Bob Schwartz
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I think someone should do a psycological workup on cyclists who end

up

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doing drugs "because everyone else is and it is the only way to
compete" then get the martyr hollyer than thou complex.

Bob Schwartz

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I bet if you did such a workup you would find elements present in

just

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about any one of us. This sort of behavior is hardly unique to

cycling

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or even athletic competition.

Maybe so, but it was still a pretty accurate assessment of those who
have been crying "DRUGS!" for the last couple of seasons.

There are drugs in professional cycling. Whoop-de-do. There are those
who want to tell us that ALL professional cyclists use drugs no matter
how fantastic it may be - and I'm one of those who worked around
hospitals enough to know that cancer patients are psyched completely
out of taking anything more active than water.

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There are drugs in professional cycling. Whoop-de-do. There are those
who want to tell us that ALL professional cyclists use drugs no matter
how fantastic it may be - and I'm one of those who worked around
hospitals enough to know that cancer patients are psyched completely
out of taking anything more active than water.

Sadly, your knowledge base has proven to be faulty in the past. For
example, from 1997 you wrote:

"The questions being raised are about drugs that are difficult or impossible
to detect. Most of these drugs take considerable time to have an effect
and they can't be taken during the season for fear of detection
of the side effects."

One can suppose that the way in which EPO was used during the season just
had not yet gotten into your data base. A question for you, Tom. During
your work around hospitalized cancer patients, how many of them were world
class athletes? BTY, one must assume that this was when you were on leave
from the America's Cup yachting experience. True?

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Sadly, your knowledge base has proven to be faulty in the past. For
example, from 1997 you wrote:

"The questions being raised are about drugs that are difficult or
impossible
to detect. Most of these drugs take considerable time to have an effect
and they can't be taken during the season for fear of detection
of the side effects."

One can suppose that the way in which EPO was used during the season just
had not yet gotten into your data base. A question for you, Tom. During
your work around hospitalized cancer patients, how many of them were world
class athletes? BTY, one must assume that this was when you were on leave
from the America's Cup yachting experience. True?

Maybe you missed the fact that EPO was detectable in 1997? Nah, I'll bet you
didn't.

If you've seen the results of chemo on most people you'd have to explain to
me how many chemo patients are world class athletes.

Oh, yeah, and perhaps you'd like to cite where I ever said that I was on the
America's Cup team in any capacity?

After you're done with those , we can discuss your understanding of "my"
knowledge base.

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Sadly, your knowledge base has proven to be faulty in the past. For
example, from 1997 you wrote:

"The questions being raised are about drugs that are difficult or
impossible
to detect. Most of these drugs take considerable time to have an effect
and they can't be taken during the season for fear of detection
of the side effects."

One can suppose that the way in which EPO was used during the season just
had not yet gotten into your data base. A question for you, Tom. During
your work around hospitalized cancer patients, how many of them were
world class athletes? BTY, one must assume that this was when you were
on leave from the America's Cup yachting experience. True?

Maybe you missed the fact that EPO was detectable in 1997? Nah, I'll bet
you didn't.

If you've seen the results of chemo on most people you'd have to explain
to me how many chemo patients are world class athletes.

Oh, yeah, and perhaps you'd like to cite where I ever said that I was on
the America's Cup team in any capacity?

After you're done with those , we can discuss your understanding of "my"
knowledge base.

I'm going to follow a psychiatrist friend's advice. She said that when
dealing with people in an institutional setting, the first rule is to never
try to engage in a reasoned discussion with them. Now be a good lad and let
the nurse give you your thorazine.

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After you're done with those , we can discuss your understanding of "my"
knowledge base.

I'm going to follow a psychiatrist friend's advice. She said that when
dealing with people in an institutional setting, the first rule is to
never try to engage in a reasoned discussion with them. Now be a good lad
and let the nurse give you your thorazine.

In other words you're all mouth. Not a surprise here.

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After you're done with those , we can discuss your understanding of "my"
knowledge base.

I'm going to follow a psychiatrist friend's advice. She said that when
dealing with people in an institutional setting, the first rule is to
never try to engage in a reasoned discussion with them. Now be a good
lad and let the nurse give you your thorazine.

In other words you're all mouth. Not a surprise here.

Nurse!! More Thorazine!!! Stat!!!!!!

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Maybe you missed the fact that EPO was detectable in 1997? Nah, I'll

bet you

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didn't.

cite that.

the aussie test came out just before the 2000 olympics and the french
test was developed after that.

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Tom Kunich said:

Maybe you missed the fact that EPO was detectable in 1997? Nah, I'll
bet you didn't.cite that.

the aussie test came out just before the 2000 olympics and the french
test was developed after that.

That was a mistype on my part - it should have read "wasn't" The point being
that indetectable drugs aren't drugs.

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The point being that indetectable drugs aren't drugs.

Then what are these indetectable (sic) drugs that aren't drugs? Jelly
Beans?

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The point being that indetectable drugs aren't drugs.

Then what are these indetectable (sic) drugs that aren't drugs? Jelly
Beans?

That's why the Jelly Belly team doesn't need panache.