Immunocal

There is no such thing as "no longer needs flu shots".
You can not strengthen your immune system to substitute it for flu shots.
You should know better.

"JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Can anyone in this forum direct me to solid info regarding glutathione
supplements such as Immunocal?
My mother (79) spends $75 a month for this product [and a small fortune

for

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a mind-boggling array of vitamins and other "supplements"] and says she no
longer needs flu shots, since she is "strengthening her immune system" by
taking Immunocal.

Glutathion is a common supplement. Try GNC, or something.

"JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Can anyone in this forum direct me to solid info regarding glutathione
supplements such as Immunocal?
My mother (79) spends $75 a month for this product [and a small fortune

for

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a mind-boggling array of vitamins and other "supplements"] and says she no
longer needs flu shots, since she is "strengthening her immune system" by
taking Immunocal.

Apparently the point of my post was not clear. I am not "approving" my
mother's actions--and I'm not seeking a cheaper source of glutathione!
I'd like to find a source of "solid" (rational, scientifically sound)
information regarding the claims of efficacy for this substance.
I fear that my mother is endangering her health by relying on quackery
instead of genuine medical science.
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Glutathion is a common supplement. Try GNC, or something.
"JD" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Can anyone in this forum direct me to solid info regarding glutathione
supplements such as Immunocal?
My mother (79) spends $75 a month for this product [and a small fortune
for a mind-boggling array of vitamins and other "supplements"] and says
that she no longer needs flu shots, since she is "strengthening her
immune system" by taking Immunocal.

JD said:

Apparently the point of my post was not clear. I am not "approving" my
mother's actions--and I'm not seeking a cheaper source of glutathione!
I'd like to find a source of "solid" (rational, scientifically sound)
information regarding the claims of efficacy for this substance.
I fear that my mother is endangering her health by relying on quackery
instead of genuine medical science.

Glutathione react quite easily and form GSSG instead, which need tough
reduction systems in order to recover back to GSH.

GSH is synthesized continually in body,but can be decreased if diet
lacks the ingredients.Cysteine availabilty maybe most important.
Ithink GSH eaten will be degraded in stomach by endopeptidases rather
quickly to cysteine, glutamate and the third amino acid (which I have
forgotten just now) which after uptake in intestine endothelial cells
are reused for GSH. Kidney also are very active in degrading GSH and
GSSG.
To reduce GSSG you need redoxin reductase and redoxin. And selenium.

Also taurine has a GSH sparing effect.

GSH is important for the immune system by the way, so the thoughts
behind the stuff is ok, But eating GSH is most probably waisting money
to snake oil sellers.

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:28:23 +0100, Alf Christophersen
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GSH is important for the immune system by the way, so the thoughts
behind the stuff is ok, But eating GSH is most probably waisting money
to snake oil sellers.

Whey proteins in general have a good amount of cysteine. In the
context of kids with HIV, use of whey proteins (which are NOT the same
as glutathione but a fraction of milk) helped the kids to grow. Kids
with HIV suffer "failure to thrive." Using whey, NAC, alpha lipoic
acid or milk thistle may help restore intracellular levels of
glutathione and this can be useful in a number of chronic,
degenerative diseases.

Glutathione is made up of three amino acids, cysteine, glutamic acid
and glycine (there ya go, alf!). Cysteine is the rate-limiting amino
acid in its formation.

Immunocal I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. They sold that [censored],
which doesn't mix very well, at OUTRAGEOUS prices, ripping people off
for YEARS on an MLM basis. Screw them. Other products are as good or
better, depending on the outcome you're looking for and MUCH cheaper.
I mean, come on. It is considered a by-product in the dairy industry
(but one with good uses).

George M. Carter

They still sell "that [censored]" and through an MLM scheme. My mother pays $70 a
month, plus "shipping and handling."
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On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 00:28:23 +0100, Alf Christophersen
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Immunocal I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. They sold that [censored],
which doesn't mix very well, at OUTRAGEOUS prices, ripping people off for
YEARS on an MLM basis. Screw them. Other products are as good or better,
depending on the outcome you're looking for and MUCH cheaper. I mean, come
on. It is considered a by-product in the dairy industry (but one with good
uses).

George M. Carter

GMCarter said:

Glutathione is made up of three amino acids, cysteine, glutamic acid
and glycine (there ya go, alf!). Cysteine is the rate-limiting amino
acid in its formation.

I should have remembered that, but I finished biochemistry class back
in 1985, and even I now and then update my mind about GSH, the
complete structure is easily forgotten :-(

By the way, lack of cysteine/methionine in diet in many countries in
Africa is maybe a main component of why HIV/AIDS spreads so fast in
Africa.

Problem is that soil in itself has one of the most poor composition of
sulphur in the whole world, and agriculture worsen it by
shortcircuting the sulphur cycle in plants.

Main responsible for circulating in soil is trees and rottening
plants.
Agriculture cut down trees in area of agriculture to increase area of
production. In these area sulphur is washed down by rain and there are
no more roots around that may pump up into the tree and leaves the
sulphur that has been washed down deep in soil. And the sulphur end in
the end up in rivers and poured into sea.

The other way of loosing sulphur is by burning dry plants and thus
volatilizing the sulphur content.

I think the last year Peace Nobelprize winner are on to an important
road of defending against HIV spreading by planting trees and thus
start recycling sulphur so food could again start to contain more
cystein or methionin that could be converted to cysteine.

Alf Christophersen said:

GMCarter said:

Glutathione is made up of three amino acids, cysteine, glutamic acid
and glycine (there ya go, alf!). Cysteine is the rate-limiting amino
acid in its formation.

I should have remembered that, but I finished biochemistry class back
in 1985, and even I now and then update my mind about GSH, the
complete structure is easily forgotten :-(

By the way, lack of cysteine/methionine in diet in many countries in
Africa is maybe a main component of why HIV/AIDS spreads so fast in
Africa.

Problem is that soil in itself has one of the most poor composition of
sulphur in the whole world, and agriculture worsen it by
shortcircuting the sulphur cycle in plants.

I wonder how we might be able to get more access to people with HIV
there to a) a multivitamin and b) N-acetylcysteine (NAC)? I have
colleagues in Africa who have made some great progress, if in a
limited way, using nutritional interventions to slow disease
progression. And indeed, a couple of large studies of the use of a
multi in Tanzania and Thailand have shown impressive results. In the
Tanzanian study, a multi reduced the rate of progression by 30%. Among
people with low CD4 counts and significant HIV loads, a multi reduced
the rate of mortality and the development of opportunistic infections.

In that regard, I'd also say selenium (which can be found in many
potent multis) can have a signfiicant impact as well.

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I think the last year Peace Nobelprize winner are on to an important
road of defending against HIV spreading by planting trees and thus
start recycling sulphur so food could again start to contain more
cystein or methionin that could be converted to cysteine.

Agreed!! We need to look at the horrific way agriculture and the use
of things like the "Structural Adjustment Programs" and their warped
children (bad trade deals) push economies into growing so-called "cash
crops" while trade barriers prevent access to western markets for
other crops. To the extent agriculture is a key part of economic
stability, I think there are methods and means to also assure access
to good nutrition for local people as well as improved means to
mitigate the devastating environmental impact.

George M. Carter

JD said:

They still sell "that [censored]" and through an MLM scheme. My mother pays $70 a
month, plus "shipping and handling."

She can get whey proteins for as little as $15-20 for 900 grams.
Various buyers' clubs in Houston, New York and Atlanta have whey
protein made by Ultimate Balance, Jarrow, Nutrivir and Next's Designer
Protein which are, as far as I can tell, all just fine. They will give
you the benefit at a far more reasonable price -- and I think there IS
benefit to be had! Just don't need to support the ripoff con artists
at Immunocal.

George M. Carter