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  1. Hi,

    I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I weight
    about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals three
    times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in the
    gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started with
    only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was
    told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino
    acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
    meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
    information please ask and advice will be welcomed.

    Thanks
    Vincent

  2. "Vincent Ng" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1110715191.833714.120530
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    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I weight
    about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals three
    times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in the
    gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started with
    only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was
    told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino
    acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
    meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
    information please ask and advice will be welcomed.

    Thanks
    Vincent

    Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether you
    train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy. Your
    whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much you're
    getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.

    4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.

    Hugh

    --
    Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

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    Hi,

    I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I weight
    about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals three
    times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in the
    gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started with
    only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was
    told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino
    acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
    meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
    information please ask and advice will be welcomed.

    Thanks
    Vincent

    Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether you
    train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy. Your
    whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much you're
    getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.

    4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.

    I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
    protein?

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    Hi,

    I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
    weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal
    meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my
    training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a
    week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the
    day I train. But I was told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week
    and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that
    protein and my normal meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney?
    If you need anymore information please ask and advice will be
    welcomed.

    Thanks
    Vincent

    Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether
    you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're
    healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that total. So
    estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your eating and make up
    for it with the whey.

    4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.

    I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
    protein?

    No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are measured in
    pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do the conversion
    yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.

    There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
    believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.

    Hugh

    --
    Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

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    > Hi,
    >
    > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
    > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal
    > meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my
    > training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a
    > week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the
    > day I train. But I was told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week
    > and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that
    > protein and my normal meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney?
    > If you need anymore information please ask and advice will be
    > welcomed.
    >
    > Thanks
    > Vincent
    >
    >

    Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether
    you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're
    healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that total. So
    estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your eating and make up
    for it with the whey.

    4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.

    I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
    protein?

    No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are measured in
    pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do the conversion
    yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.

    There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
    believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.

    So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit high. But
    if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day, which seems
    more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.

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    >
    > > Hi,
    > >
    > > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
    > > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal
    > > meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my
    > > training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a
    > > week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on


    the

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    > > day I train. But I was told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a


    week

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    > > and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that
    > > protein and my normal meals. Is it going to be harmful for my


    kidney?

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > If you need anymore information please ask and advice will be
    > > welcomed.
    > >
    > > Thanks
    > > Vincent
    > >
    > >
    >
    > Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day


    (whether

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    > you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're
    > healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that total. So
    > estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your eating and make


    up

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    > for it with the whey.
    >
    > 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.

    I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
    protein?

    No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are measured


    in

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    pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do the conversion
    yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.

    There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
    believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.

    So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit high.


    But

    Quoted message said:

    if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day, which seems
    more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.

    Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
    http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
    http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
    http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104

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    >> "Vincent Ng" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    >>
    >> > Hi,
    >> >
    >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
    >> > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
    >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to
    >> > boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours
    >> > 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey
    >> > Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink it
    >> > twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg
    >> > tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal meals. Is
    >> > it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
    >> > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
    >> >
    >> > Thanks
    >> > Vincent
    >> >
    >> >
    >>
    >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
    >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming
    >> you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that
    >> total. So estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your
    >> eating and make up for it with the whey.
    >>
    >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
    >
    > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz.
    > of protein?

    No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
    measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do
    the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.

    There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
    believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.

    So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
    high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day,
    which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.

    Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
    http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
    http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
    http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104

    Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
    protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb is a
    convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean* bodyweight, not
    total bodyweight.

    Hugh

    --
    Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

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    > >>
    > >> > Hi,
    > >> >
    > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
    > >> > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
    > >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to
    > >> > boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours
    > >> > 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey
    > >> > Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink it
    > >> > twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg
    > >> > tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal meals. Is
    > >> > it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
    > >> > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
    > >> >
    > >> > Thanks
    > >> > Vincent
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >>
    > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
    > >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming
    > >> you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that
    > >> total. So estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your
    > >> eating and make up for it with the whey.
    > >>
    > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
    > >
    > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz.
    > > of protein?
    >
    > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
    > measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do
    > the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.
    >
    > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
    > believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.

    So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
    high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day,
    which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.

    Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
    http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
    http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
    http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104

    Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
    protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb is a
    convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean* bodyweight, not
    total bodyweight.

    err, I'll agree that 1g/lb is a rough shorthand, but I think it way
    overestimates what its needed. For me, the difference between 1.7g/kg of LBM
    and 1g/lb of LBM is 42.2 g of protein. If that much protein doesn't give you
    the [censored]....

    I found another site that states, "...the group that ingested 2.4 grams of
    protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4 grams
    of protein group." This came from http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm

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    > > >> > Hi,
    > > >> >
    > > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago.


    I

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    > > >> > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
    > > >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein


    to

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    > > >> > boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2


    hours

    Quoted message said:
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    Quoted message said:

    > > >> > 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey
    > > >> > Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink it
    > > >> > twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids


    1000mg

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    > > >> > tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal meals.


    Is

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    > > >> > it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
    > > >> > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Thanks
    > > >> > Vincent
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >>
    > > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
    > > >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys,


    assuming

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    > > >> you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that
    > > >> total. So estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your
    > > >> eating and make up for it with the whey.
    > > >>
    > > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
    > > >
    > > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz.
    > > > of protein?
    > >
    > > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
    > > measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to


    do

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    > > the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.
    > >
    > > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
    > > believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.
    >
    > So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
    > high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a


    day,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.

    Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
    http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
    http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
    http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104

    Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
    protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb is


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean* bodyweight,


    not

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    total bodyweight.

    err, I'll agree that 1g/lb is a rough shorthand, but I think it way
    overestimates what its needed. For me, the difference between 1.7g/kg of


    LBM

    Quoted message said:

    and 1g/lb of LBM is 42.2 g of protein. If that much protein doesn't give


    you

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    the [censored]....

    I found another site that states, "...the group that ingested 2.4 grams of
    protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4


    grams

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    of protein group." This came from


    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm

    Again, I could be wrong, and I would like to find out how much protein I
    need to get the best results. If I need 185 g/day, then that's what I'll
    take.

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    > > >> > Hi,
    > > >> >
    > > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago.
    > > >> > I weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
    > > >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein
    > > >> > to boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2
    > > >> > hours 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of
    > > >> > Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink
    > > >> > it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids
    > > >> > 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
    > > >> > meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need
    > > >> > anymore information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
    > > >> >
    > > >> > Thanks
    > > >> > Vincent
    > > >> >
    > > >> >
    > > >>
    > > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
    > > >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys,
    > > >> assuming you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts
    > > >> towards that total. So estimate how much you're getting in the
    > > >> rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.
    > > >>
    > > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
    > > >
    > > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be
    > > > oz. of protein?
    > >
    > > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
    > > measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to
    > > do the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in
    > > kg.
    > >
    > > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who
    > > you believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.
    >
    > So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
    > high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a
    > day, which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct
    > me.

    Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
    http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
    http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
    http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104

    Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
    protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb
    is a convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean*
    bodyweight, not total bodyweight.

    err, I'll agree that 1g/lb is a rough shorthand, but I think it way
    overestimates what its needed. For me, the difference between 1.7g/kg of
    LBM and 1g/lb of LBM is 42.2 g of protein. If that much protein doesn't
    give you the [censored]....

    I found another site that states, "...the group that ingested 2.4 grams
    of protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4
    grams of protein group." This came from
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm

    So you ignored the rest of Will's article and are using a study showing
    you don't need to eat almost double the amount of protein anybody's
    suggested to prove you don't need to eat much less?

    Whatever. Have fun. Work on reading comprehension.

    Hugh

    --
    Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

  11. Hugh Beyer said:

    Vincent Ng wrote

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    I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I weight
    about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals three
    times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in the
    gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started with
    only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was
    told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino
    acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
    meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
    information please ask and advice will be welcomed.

    Quoted message said:

    Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether you
    train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy. Your
    whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much you're
    getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.

    The amino acids tablets count too, but not differently.

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    >> > >>
    >> > >> > Hi,
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago.
    >> > >> > I weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
    >> > >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein
    >> > >> > to boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2
    >> > >> > hours 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of
    >> > >> > Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink
    >> > >> > it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids
    >> > >> > 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
    >> > >> > meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need
    >> > >> > anymore information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> > Thanks
    >> > >> > Vincent
    >> > >> >
    >> > >> >
    >> > >>
    >> > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
    >> > >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys,
    >> > >> assuming you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts
    >> > >> towards that total. So estimate how much you're getting in the
    >> > >> rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.
    >> > >>
    >> > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
    >> > >
    >> > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be
    >> > > oz. of protein?
    >> >
    >> > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
    >> > measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to
    >> > do the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in
    >> > kg.
    >> >
    >> > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who
    >> > you believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.
    >>
    >> So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
    >> high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a
    >> day, which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct
    >> me.
    >
    > Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
    > http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
    > http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
    > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104
    >
    >

    Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
    protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb
    is a convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean*
    bodyweight, not total bodyweight.

    err, I'll agree that 1g/lb is a rough shorthand, but I think it way
    overestimates what its needed. For me, the difference between 1.7g/kg of
    LBM and 1g/lb of LBM is 42.2 g of protein. If that much protein doesn't
    give you the [censored]....

    I found another site that states, "...the group that ingested 2.4 grams
    of protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4
    grams of protein group." This came from
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm

    So you ignored the rest of Will's article and are using a study showing
    you don't need to eat almost double the amount of protein anybody's
    suggested to prove you don't need to eat much less?

    Whatever. Have fun. Work on reading comprehension.

    Now, now. No need to get pissy. It just struck me odd to use two different
    factors. But if the norm is 1g/lb, then so be it. I am just trying to get
    the right information.

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    Quoted message said:

    Hi,

    I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
    weight
    about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals
    three
    times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in
    the
    gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started
    with
    only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I
    was
    told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6
    amino
    acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
    meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
    information please ask and advice will be welcomed.

    Thanks
    Vincent

    Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
    (whether you
    train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy.
    Your
    whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much
    you're
    getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.

    4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.

    I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
    protein?

    I heard what you heard.

    Let's differentiate between maintaining size and gaining size. If
    you're trying to stay the same, 1 gr per kg seems to be sufficient. If
    you're trying to get bigger, it makes sense to both get more calories
    per day into your body and to be sure some of those additional calories
    are also protein, e.g., if you're eating 500 calories per day surplus in
    order to gain weight, and half those calories come from protein, that's
    an extra ~60 grams of protein if I did the math right..

    -S-
    http://www.kbnj.com

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    > Hi,
    >
    > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
    > weight
    > about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals
    > three
    > times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in
    > the
    > gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started
    > with
    > only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I
    > was
    > told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6
    > amino
    > acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
    > meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
    > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
    >
    > Thanks
    > Vincent
    >
    >

    Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
    (whether you
    train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy.
    Your
    whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much
    you're
    getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.

    4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.

    I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
    protein?

    I heard what you heard.

    Let's differentiate between maintaining size and gaining size. If
    you're trying to stay the same, 1 gr per kg seems to be sufficient. If
    you're trying to get bigger, it makes sense to both get more calories
    per day into your body and to be sure some of those additional calories
    are also protein, e.g., if you're eating 500 calories per day surplus in
    order to gain weight, and half those calories come from protein, that's
    an extra ~60 grams of protein if I did the math right..

    I think protein has 4 calories per g.

  15. 1 6 oz can of tuna packed in water has roughly 32 grams of protein and
    costs around 50 cents, so what exactly is the problem with erring on
    the side of having 'too much protien'?. I'm curious if you spend this
    much brain power thinking about your next session of squats...In short
    just lift the weight.

  16. One way it helps your kidney:
    it keeps your wallet so light that
    it wont be pressing weight on the kidney.

  17. In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    John said:
    Quoted message said:

    There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
    believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.

    So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit high.

    Not if you weigh 185lbs it's not.

    Quoted message said:

    But
    if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day, which seems
    more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.

    1g per lb is the norm and just a tad over what studies suggest is
    required (with some debate).

    --
    Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

  18. Quoted message said:
    Will Brink said:

    In article
    <[email hidden]>,

    John said:

    > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
    > believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.

    So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit high.

    Not if you weigh 185lbs it's not.

    Quoted message said:

    But
    if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day, which seems
    more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.

    1g per lb is the norm and just a tad over what studies suggest is
    required (with some debate).

    It is my understanding that studies suggest that .8 grams protein per
    pound of LBM is the *maximum* that one needs for building muscle while
    engaging in weight lifting. IOW studies suggest that anything *over*
    that amount is wasted for the purpose of hypertrophy unless you are
    using anabolic steroids.

    So a 185 pound person who has a body fat percentage of 15% would not
    need more than about 125 grams of protein and might do fine with only
    115 grams or so.

    If he ingested 185 grams of protein that would be far more than
    studies suggest is needed.

    Paul

    I fit that example very well, and I'd agree that 185g protein/day is
    pretty high. I'd have to eat about 2 lbs of meat a day to get that,
    and it's too much I think, unless maybe I were doing some seriously
    high-volume weight training.

    But I eat a lot of fat and carbs, too. On a PSMF, it'd probably be
    about right.

    -----------
    Proton Soup

    "And all this peace has been deceiving,
    I need some wind to get me sailing"

  19. rick++ said:

    One way it helps your kidney:
    it keeps your wallet so light that
    it wont be pressing weight on the kidney.

    Must be a diet supplement too if it helps you lose £s.

    Ray

    --
    2002 1.8i eternal red

  20. "Eric" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:1110775897.878460.128150
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    Quoted message said:

    1 6 oz can of tuna packed in water has roughly 32 grams of protein and
    costs around 50 cents, so what exactly is the problem with erring on
    the side of having 'too much protien'?. I'm curious if you spend this
    much brain power thinking about your next session of squats...In short
    just lift the weight.

    There are studies showing that eating way over 1g/lb is counterproductive--
    DZ cited them earlier. But you'd really have to work at it.

    Against this set that some amount of protein will be broken down for energy,
    more if you're restricting calories.

    Hugh

    --
    Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will attend no other.

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