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Re: Wheel Support-IMO

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  1. Ben Coleman said:

    "Marcus Coles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    I did actually load a bicycle to the point that the bottom spokes


    had

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    little or no tension on them at all, the remaining spokes all


    increased

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    in pitch when plucked when compared to the unloaded state. In this
    condition, I do have a hard time believing that these spokes at


    the

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    bottom, which I can move around with my fingers, are carrying the


    load

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    sitting on the bicycle seat.

    Where did the tension in the bottm spokes go? Did it evaporate, or


    is it

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    being used to resist another force to maintain equilibrium?

    Ben

    it has been transferred to the upper spokes...duh

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,

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    Where did the tension in the bottm spokes go? Did it evaporate, or


    is it

    Quoted message said:

    being used to resist another force to maintain equilibrium?

    Ben

    it has been transferred to the upper spokes...duh

    Perhaps you would care to explain the mechanism by which you
    believe a load would get transferred to the upper spokes, and how
    such a mechanism wouldn't be balanced around the whole wheel. The spokes
    at the top of the wheel, being far detached from the load affected
    zone, are only aware of the compression force in the rim, and the
    radius of the curve it follows. If you start at the top of the
    wheel, and look at consecutive rim segments down the sides to the end
    of the load affected zone, this same compression is present all the
    way, the spokes being essentially orthogonal to the compression and
    unable to contribute any significant changes to it magnitude.

    Rim compression being uniform, the tension in all the free spokes
    outside of the load affected zone will be uniform, so any tension
    change you see in the top half of the wheel, will also be present in
    the bottom half of the wheel, cancelling the contribution of all but the
    4 or so spokes opposite the load affected region.

    Those four spokes at the top of the wheel see an increased
    tension from wheel loading, yes, from the marginal increase in rim
    compression. But this increased rim compression applies to the spokes
    in the load affected zone too. On the other hand, look at the radius
    of the rim at the top of the wheel and in the load affected zone.
    While the top of the wheel retains essentially the same curvature as
    an unloaded wheel, the wheel loading acts to flatten the rim in the
    load affected zone. This flattening of the rim is reflected in a
    reduction in spoke tension, a far greater reduction than the trifling
    increases seen in spokes through the rest of the wheel.

    The forces applied to the wheel are at the hub and at the
    ground. Why should those forces not be taken up by the very spokes
    that go from one point of application straight to the other? Suggesting
    the force somehow goes through the rim around to the far side spokes and
    then to the hub from there is needlessly complicated, and begs for Occam's
    Razor.

    -Luns

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