Keep Left?

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Danny Colyer said:

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I can't see anyone else just now so I'm the only person in the world.
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Doesn't that make posting here somewhat futile?

I've got to do something with my time. While my non existent kids are out playing. :-)

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Subject: Re: Keep Left? From: "Richard Burton" [email hidden] Date: 13/06/03 20:18
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The part of the Bristol-Bath track (actually the Bristol and Bath Railway

Path)

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that I use is marked on the ground to say which side of the path is for cyclists. For those
travelling towards Bath this is the right hand side.

(I

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use the stretch through Whitehall, Redfield, Easton.)

I sometimes get 'told off' for riding on the right, when that is clearly

how

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the route is marked (the marking are faint, but they are there).

It might be that the cycle path is on the right hand side of the track - there are lots like that -
but the doesn't mean that, when being approached by an oncoming cyclist, you have to force them to
pass to your left (so that they have to move to the extreme right, rather than keeping to the left
within the boundary of the cycling part), which is what was being complained of. Within the area of
path provided for cyclist use, whether that be left, right or middle, there will be a general
expectation that the same 'keep left' rules apply as on the road.

Rich

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When riding on a dedicated cycle path, is there any protocol for passing oncoming cyclists? I
would have thought that as road traffic keeps to

the

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left in this country, the same would apply to cycle paths, but on my

daily

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commute, I seem to be the only one to think this - everyone else either panics or pretends I'm
not there at all!

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It is an interesting point as to why anyone should think that riding on the right is correct on a
cycle track, anyone?

I've observed this on bridleways and off-road tracks but I can't be sure from memory if this is a
trend or random behaviour (i.e. some go left, others go right and the rest come straight at you).
I'll take a clip board and do a tally chart next ride.

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I agree with that. You start a National Petition and I'll sign it.

We have it on the road so why not cycle tracks, hospital corridors, stair cases, swing doors,
shopping malls, plant shows and so on and so on.

Anywhere that people stride out, often in a hurry, the quality of life would be improved if everyone
tended to follow this basic principle. Sure there are people who want to mill around, to look in
shop windows, to day dream or to aggressively keep right but the general flow would still be moving
forward on the left. Mike

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I agree with that. You start a National Petition and I'll sign it.

We have it on the road so why not cycle tracks, hospital corridors, stair cases, swing doors,
shopping malls, plant shows and so on and so on.

Anywhere that people stride out, often in a hurry, the quality of life would be improved if
everyone tended to follow this basic principle. Sure there are people who want to mill around, to
look in shop windows, to day dream or to aggressively keep right but the general flow would still
be moving forward on the left. Mike

I read a story about 2 RAF men shot down over Holland in the war. The locals rumbled that they
weren't Dutch because they walked down a footpath on the wrong side.

Whenever I went to Holland I eventually became aware that my British
"walk-on-whichever-side-you-like" approach was causing consternation in office corridors, as the
Dutch have a well-accepted system of walking on the right.

We could do with adopting a similar system in the UK, although I'd advocate when walking on
pavements the person walking towards the oncoming traffic should be on the outside of the pavement
so he/she can see if it is safe to step into the road for any reason. However, I've no doubt that
this would be far too complex for most people to be arsed with, so we'll continue with the British
"can't-be-bothered-to-lay-down-and-follow-simple-rules" way.

Oh well, it's what made us great.

Peter

al_Mossah said:

Whenever I went to Holland I eventually became aware that my British
"walk-on-whichever-side-you-like" approach was causing consternation in office corridors, as the
Dutch have a well-accepted system of walking on the right.

We could do with adopting a similar system in the UK, although I'd advocate when walking on
pavements the person walking towards the oncoming traffic should be on the outside of the pavement
so he/she can see if it is safe to step into the road for any reason. However, I've no doubt that
this would be far too complex for most people to be arsed with, so we'll continue with the British
"can't-be-bothered-to-lay-down-and-follow-simple-rules" way.

Oh well, it's what made us great.

Aparently, putting a barrier down the middle of a corridor can dramatically improve the speed of one
way "traffic" (e.g. evacuating a building in the case of a fire) They use something similar on some
of the tube tunnels (Green Park springs to mind although I don't think they are one way in theory,
let alone in practice)

Regards,

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al_Mossah said:

Whenever I went to Holland I eventually became aware that my British
"walk-on-whichever-side-you-like" approach was causing consternation in office corridors, as the
Dutch have a well-accepted system of walking on the right.

I was told by some 'melicans I was working with a while ago that they actually teach things like
"which side of the stairs to walk on" in school.

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Jim Price said:

al_Mossah said:

Whenever I went to Holland I eventually became aware that my British
"walk-on-whichever-side-you-like" approach was causing consternation in office corridors, as the
Dutch have a well-accepted system of walking on the right.

I was told by some 'melicans I was working with a while ago that they actually teach things like
"which side of the stairs to walk on" in school.

Which recalls a Michael Rosen tape my children had where the headmaster encourages his charges to
"keep to the left going upstairs" and "keep to the right going downstairs" :-)

Peter

Taywood said:

Sure there are people who want to mill around, to look in shop windows, to day dream

For them I have a new offence: ambling without intent.

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Richard Goodman said:

It might be that the cycle path is on the right hand side of the track - there are lots like that
- but the doesn't mean that, when being approached by an oncoming cyclist, you have to force them
to pass to your left ....

Passing on either side isn't really an option, unless one cyclist moves onto the pedestrian side of
the path. On the part of the Bristol-Bath cyclepath referred to by Philip, the side marked for
cycles simply isn't wide enough for 2 bikes to pass.

Thankfully there are no such markings along most of the path, including the section that I commute
on (Warmley Station to Saltford).

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Passing on either side isn't really an option, unless one cyclist moves onto the pedestrian side
of the path. On the part of the Bristol-Bath cyclepath referred to by Philip, the side marked for
cycles simply isn't wide enough for 2 bikes to pass.

Yebbut if two cyclists are travelling in opposing directions they are still going to have to pass to
one side or the other - and it seems to me that side should be to each other's right, whether it
means the one travelling towards Bath moving off the cycle path briefly or not. One of them's got to
do it anyway, so it may as well be done according to the keep left rule.

Rich

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We have it on the road so why not cycle tracks, hospital corridors, stair cases, swing doors,
shopping malls, plant shows and so on and so on.

Anywhere that people stride out, often in a hurry, the quality of life would be improved if
everyone tended to follow this basic principle.

Perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad idea if they did, but considering the fact that pedestrians
generally only move at around 3mph, can stop virtually instantly within a stride, have an extremely
small turning circle and can deftly side step obstructions and bump into each other harmlessly if
all else fails, while this can't generally be done on a bicycle, and if we are talking of two
cyclists travelling in opposing directions at even a very leisurely 10mph each, have a 20mph closing
speed, I think the need of cyclists to follow such a basic principle is rather more.

Rich

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Whenever I went to Holland I eventually became aware that my British
"walk-on-whichever-side-you-like" approach was causing consternation in office corridors, as the
Dutch have a well-accepted system of walking on the right.

We could do with adopting a similar system in the UK,

In places like central Edinburgh where there are high numbers of visitors separate pedestrian lanes
on pavements are sometimes advocated. "Stop and stare" ones for visitors and "express lanes" for
those trying to get somewhere.

The chance of this being adopted is zero, not the least because pedestrians are incapable of keeping
to the area marked for pedestrians in cycle/pedestrian paths. Yes, I do know that they are free to
use either area.

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