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  1. I found out one of the guys involved in the taxi incident was a friend
    I met before the GVBR.

    I made tonight's CM my first, and I took part in a couple of corkages
    myself. There was one taxi that decided to "nudge forward" (sound
    familiar?) just as a motorcycle cop was next to his door. He would
    have hit my wheel had I not moved it quickly out of the way (still
    corking him though). I had made a note of his number plate, then after
    the cop yelled at him, he came around the front, also looked at the
    number plate, at said to both of us to remember xxxx. The guy next to
    me took a couple of seconds to figure it out, before exclaiming to me
    "he was a nice cop!" 🙂 Anyway, he didn't cause any more problems, so
    I've promptly forgotten it.

    The motorcycle cops had a pretty bad burning stench following
    them. Seems their bikes can't physically go that slow without burning
    the clutch.

    A couple of times during the night, it seemed we wanted to head onto
    the westgate or similar, and everytime we turned a corner, the cops
    were blocking the appropriate road. In the end, we just sat in the
    middle of an intersection, as we could see the road around the corner
    was blocking the path forward very much. The truck driver was a little
    surprised 🙂

    So we sat, as one of the guys proclaimed that we were stopping,
    because on Feb 1, a cyclist was hit and killed by a negligent
    driver. We gave him a minute's silence, and then whinged about how the
    perp would never even be charged with manslaughter. There was a TV
    camera there, with the person behind it wanting us to raise our bikes
    (probably would have put caption of "rogue cyclists stopped from
    holding our bridge to ransom"😉, so we refused.

    Unfortunately, most of the night was directed by the cops who didn't
    let us ride the chosen route, and wouldn't let us on busy roads. There
    was bugger all traffic around. Only a couple of cagers beeping, who
    were responded with party blowers.

    Went along to the pier, and the cops stopped us from boarding the
    Spirit of Tassie 🙂

    A guy with two very large speakers in a trailer, powered off a 12V car
    battery joined us as we were circling a roundabout. Unfortunately, he
    mostly played rap.

    Went and rode through a Maccas and KFC, just as a song about "we don't
    need this [censored]" or similar came on. We all cheered 🙂 Rode then to
    Crown Casino, and held up the bikes. You know, a bike with panniers
    wouldn't be a bad weight lifting excercise. Only just got it up and
    held it up. Forgot to latch the panniers in correctly, so it flopped
    around a bit 🙂

    Didn't go to Andrew Bolt's office, unfortunately 🙁

    Finished at Fed Square.

    Hopefully, next month, we will get back onto main roads.

    --
    TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
    }> Is "wrongest" an actual word?
    } It's a perfectly cromulent word.
    Which, when used, embiggens us all.
    -- Jeff Ramsey, Steed and D. Joseph Creighton @ ASR

  2. Had other business pending, so we left just after the ride left the CBD. I've never seen so many police on one ride, count, 8 motorcyclists, 3 velos, about a dozen or so on foot patrolling around, at least three cars at the beginning, and a brawler van discreetly tucked away on La Trobe.

    Apparently there were seven police cars, full of police waiting on Lorimer as well. Take into consideration the amount of traffic incidents paralyzing Melbournes roads this week, ie: unsecured loads falling off on the Bolte (stray bobcat & builders rubble), exploding petrol tankers on a Westgate onramp, and seven road deaths on Thursday.

    Surely someone responsible in the Victorian Police needs a swift kick up the [censored] for taking the decision to waste these resources & personnel on a BICYCLE ride. 112 rides since 1995 - has any BICYCLE ride ever resulted in anything of the same disruptive magnitude as a [censored] exploding tanker on a major highway? (Ok, leave out the Brazilian death squads for now, shall we? :o )

    As for negative attitudes, pre-ride, a woman walked up to a friend and gave him some stick. She self-moralised about how (apparently) Critical Mass made it difficult for cyclists riding down on Beach Road. Crikey, now there's a contridiction, haven't some roadies down there had brought THAT upon themselves?

    Intelligent, bicycle, argument

    Pick any two 🙄

  3. TimC said:

    I found out one of the guys involved in the taxi incident was a friend
    I met before the GVBR.

    I made tonight's CM my first, ...

    snip, etc

    seems a that wierd that the police were dictating which way the ride went!?
    Would seem their enthusiasm to respond to a possible Bolte bridge or Tunnel ride is just making them look silly. shame. Mr Bolt-head is gonna no doubt make em look like the perp's now...
    Perhaps they might twig on to the fact that every lead up CM gossip is naming Bolte or the Tunnel just for a laugh so we can all sit back and watch them panic over nothing!!
    Or perhaps we should attach petrol-soaked rags to our helmets next month so that we can get away with as much inconvenience as we like, bcos somehow a pretty image for the cameras makes it all ok? 🙄

  4. TimC said:


    The motorcycle cops had a pretty bad burning stench following
    them. Seems their bikes can't physically go that slow without burning
    the clutch.

    Yes I dare say they have the same problem as my FJ1200 on a hot day in
    slow moving traffic. Air cooled engines on big bikes don't cope very
    well when you are barely moving. I've had car drivers tell me my bike's
    on fire when it is just the oil on the engine burning from the heat, not
    too pleasant on the legs either. I remember a mate in the police sayign
    years ago they hated riding at the head of televised parades because of
    the high chance of stalling on TV and not getting started again.

    DaveB

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >> "cfsmtb" == cfsmtb <[email hidden]> writes:

    cfsmtb> As for negative attitudes, pre-ride, a women walked up to a
    cfsmtb> friend and gave him some stick. She self-moralised about how
    cfsmtb> (apparently) Critical Mass made it difficult for cyclists
    cfsmtb> riding down on Beach Road.

    My opinion, CM attracts nothing but bad publicity for cyclists. When
    was the last time you read positive press regarding CM?

    I'm not bagging CM as such, I've never been on one so to do so would be
    arrogant (not to mention stupid). It may well be great fun (from what
    I've read it is), it may well be that all cyclists on CM ride within the
    law at all times (unlike some bunches I've seen on Beach Road and
    Nepean) and it may well be that the press mis-represent CM at every
    opportunity. Fact is that CM has a high profile but it's a negative
    one.

    I don't know what rumors made it to the police about what could happen
    on Friday, all I know is that I was told that if I wasn't out the VPC by
    15:30 there was a possibility that I'd not be able to leave for some
    time. Something spooked them, no idea what.
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  6. "TimC" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:slrn-0.9.7.4-13079-8921-
    <Snip>

    Quoted message said:

    A couple of times during the night, it seemed we wanted to head onto
    the westgate or similar, and everytime we turned a corner, the cops
    were blocking the appropriate road. In the end, we just sat in the
    middle of an intersection, as we could see the road around the corner
    was blocking the path forward very much. The truck driver was a little
    surprised 🙂

    Damn, that kinda makes our plans of forming 'critical anti-mass' redundant.
    Me and a bunch of riders were toying with the idea of forming a group of
    bikes to cork critical mass. A lot of cyclists I know consider CM to be
    pretty bad for cyclists so we just wanted to make a little protest.
    Would mainly be for fun and to test CMs sense of humour. :-)

  7. Duncan said:

    snip

    but what would we call you?
    how about 'car'? 😄

    BTW have you euan actually done a CM?
    If not give it a go. it might surprise you. Dont get sucked in by biased [censored] coming from people with agendas or preconcieved need for some drama to fill page-inches
    I used to hold a similar opinion of CM till i started doing some and altho some elements/people involved arent my bag the thing that struck me was the huge gap between how its represented in the press and how the public respond on the actual rides!
    Sure there are the odd mug whom kicks up a fuss but they represent the same percentage as in everyday traffic car-v-bike argy-bargy.

    CM is just an element. People arent going to run form their cars and take up commuting just cos they see a CM, as such. But its just one step or influence/exposure to it that could change a driver from car-occupier to possibly considering it, or from considering-it to trying-it, and then trying-it to doing it regularly.
    Friday nights are the perfect time for CM cos the ones i have been on just illustrate (even minus corking, etc) just how easy/faster/flexible cycling is in inner Melbourne.
    My dutch cuzz went on Amsterdam protest rides/marches to get the traffic scenario sorted in his town, and about 10 years later they ended up with a nationwide network of dreamlike facilities.

    Like someone's (excellent) sig says, It takes just one ruen of a crank to start a revolution. t aint gonna happen overnight, but we can dream that it can happen...

  8. On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 at 10:03 GMT, flyingdutch (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    Friday nights are the perfect time for CM cos the ones i have been on
    just illustrate (even minus corking, etc) just how easy/faster/flexible
    cycling is in inner Melbourne.

    Riding up Warrigal road today, there was an accident that had
    obviously only just happended, because the traffic was only just
    starting to bank up. A guy in a flash car obviously was speeding,
    judging by the rather crooked power pole he had crashed into (how deep
    are they buried?). I rode up, and the traffic was banking up about as
    fast as I was riding, so the cars were stopping 5km up the road just
    as I had travelled those 5km. I do admit that I laughed a few times,
    and asked them how their car park was.

    --
    TimC -- http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/staff/tconnors/
    "It took people a long time to figure out which machine was [mooing],
    and even longer to figure out how. But for some reason it didn't take
    them any time at all to figure that I'd done it." -- Paul Tomblin on ASR

  9. Quoted message said:

    My opinion, CM attracts nothing but bad publicity for cyclists. When
    was the last time you read positive press regarding CM?

    Well, if the car driving [censored] that run the newspapers, shock jock
    radio stations and [censored] TV stations didn't have CM to pick on, then
    they would pick on some other bicyclist. Probably start a campaing to
    get all shared ped/bike routes turned over to Peds as some bike riders
    ran over their granny.

  10. Duncan said:

    Damn, that kinda makes our plans of forming 'critical anti-mass' redundant.
    Me and a bunch of riders were toying with the idea of forming a group of
    bikes to cork critical mass.

    And that works in China?

  11. Quoted message said:

    From: [email hidden]
    Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 08:23:59 +1100
    Subject: Re: CM

    To clarify my opinion of CM: the only coverage that CM gets from the
    media is bad press. I can't see how CM can possibly do cyclists any
    good until the press starts playing fair. It is doubtful that that will
    happen because the press don't think that's what their readers need or
    want to hear.

    So what's the alternative? Should CM stop happening because the media don't
    play fair? Cobblers, if you ask me. If that is your philosophy then there
    are hundreds of community groups & interest groups that should disappear
    overnight because they hardly ever get fair coverage in the media. I'm not
    going to let tossers like Neil Mitchell and Andrew Bolt tell me what I
    should or shouldn't do.

    Quoted message said:

    It's my understanding that there are around about 200 people on each
    CM. I wonder how many of those 200 actually take the trouble to write
    well considered letters to their council about cycling facilities?

    Actually, the numbers on the rides fluctuate depending on the weather,
    daylight savings, the promotion (e.g. birthday rides each November get lots
    of promo), and heaps of other factors. Recently the rides seem to be
    averaging 150-200 as a baseline, but many are bigger (e.g. the 100th CM ride
    in Feb 04 was well over 500 and last Nov's 9th birthday ride was about 450)
    and some are smaller (last December was only 70 or so because it fell on
    NYE).

    As to the second part of your observation about how many of them get
    involved in cycling advocacy, I would say that a massively bigger proportion
    of CM riders are interested in helping with bike advocacy, as compared to
    the rest of the bike community. CM riders are involved in Melbourne BUG,
    Yarra BUG, Boorondara BUG, Darebin BUG, Melb Uni BUG and plenty more. CM
    riders sit on bicycle advisory committees for many municpalities. CM riders
    have volunteered to carry out most of the bike counts for Bicycle Victoria
    over the past few years. CM riders have been involved with the campaign for
    bike lanes on Chapel St, and the drafting of the Stonnington bike plan. CM
    riders produce information flyers, newsletters and 'zines about general
    urban cycling issues for distribution to the cycling public as a whole. CM
    riders have organised valet bike parking at public events. Of the CM
    "regulars" who I know, almost all of them are directly involved in
    grass-roots cycling advocacy.

    --Juz

  12. "DaveB" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    TimC said:


    The motorcycle cops had a pretty bad burning stench following
    them. Seems their bikes can't physically go that slow without burning
    the clutch.

    Yes I dare say they have the same problem as my FJ1200 on a hot day in
    slow moving traffic. Air cooled engines on big bikes don't cope very well
    when you are barely moving. I've had car drivers tell me my bike's on fire
    when it is just the oil on the engine burning from the heat, not too
    pleasant on the legs either. I remember a mate in the police sayign years
    ago they hated riding at the head of televised parades because of the high
    chance of stalling on TV and not getting started again.

    DaveB

    I've just completed the NSW RTA Big ride which ended in Kiama this morning
    (sun) and from Robertson in the southern highlands, last night was the
    biggest mist i've seen in a long time, couldn't barely see the trees nor the
    tops of hills which sometimes was a good thing, anyway, we had 5 BMW police
    bikes and 2 HWY Patrol cars at our desposal all the 9 days and they really
    worked hard, the Police were fantanstic, very well humoured and they loved
    the big ride job. We were down to 4 police bikes this morning due to one of
    them stuffing up big time, the cops didn't say what it was but i reckon from
    all the turning around, contant slowing & accellerating they were doing
    during the big ride, it's every possibility it could've been clutch probs.
    the only time the bikes & cars stopped were during morning tea, lunch & arvo
    tea stops or if they had to block a road or two for 1,200 cyclists.3 days
    ago we were riding in 38c heat during the Gunning to Marulan leg 109 kms, I
    think it was then they had probs with the bike.

    10/10 for the cops, volunteers, ambulance, and all involved.........

    DJ

  13. TimC <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 at 10:03 GMT, flyingdutch (aka Bruce)
    was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea:

    Quoted message said:

    Friday nights are the perfect time for CM cos the ones i have been on
    just illustrate (even minus corking, etc) just how


    easy/faster/flexible

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    cycling is in inner Melbourne.

    Riding up Warrigal road today, there was an accident that had
    obviously only just happended, because the traffic was only just
    starting to bank up. A guy in a flash car obviously was speeding,
    judging by the rather crooked power pole he had crashed into (how deep
    are they buried?).

    Generally about 1.5 to 2 metres for a standard 415/1kV pole. The 14.5 -
    17m (concrete) poles go to 3+. The worst power pole accident I've ever
    seen involved an uninstalled concrete pole laying beside the road.

    Cheers
    Brett


  14. Quoted message said:


    I've just completed the NSW RTA Big ride which ended in Kiama this morning
    (sun) and from Robertson in the southern highlands, last night was the
    biggest mist i've seen in a long time, couldn't barely see the trees nor


    the

    Quoted message said:

    tops of hills which sometimes was a good thing, anyway, we had 5 BMW


    police

    Quoted message said:

    bikes and 2 HWY Patrol cars at our desposal all the 9 days and they really
    worked hard, the Police were fantanstic, very well humoured and they loved
    the big ride job. We were down to 4 police bikes this morning due to one


    of

    Quoted message said:

    them stuffing up big time, the cops didn't say what it was but i reckon


    from

    Quoted message said:

    all the turning around, contant slowing & accellerating they were doing
    during the big ride, it's every possibility it could've been clutch probs.
    the only time the bikes & cars stopped were during morning tea, lunch &


    arvo

    Quoted message said:

    tea stops or if they had to block a road or two for 1,200 cyclists.3 days
    ago we were riding in 38c heat during the Gunning to Marulan leg 109 kms,


    I

    Quoted message said:

    think it was then they had probs with the bike.

    10/10 for the cops, volunteers, ambulance, and all involved.........

    DJ


    Sounds like a really well sorted ride. How long is it, both distance and
    time?

  15. "flyingdutch" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Duncan said:

    snip

    but what would we call you?
    how about 'car'? 😄

    Interesting way of looking at it, but one of my points was that while CM
    considers itself 'anti-car' many cyclists consider it 'anti-cyclist'.

    Quoted message said:

    BTW have you euan actually done a CM?

    Did the first ever one in Melbourne and didn't miss one for three years, I
    watched it die. Maybe there have been resurgences to former glories but on
    the odd occasions I've revisted I've been far from impressed.

    Quoted message said:

    Friday nights are the perfect time for CM cos the ones i have been on
    just illustrate (even minus corking, etc) just how easy/faster/flexible
    cycling is in inner Melbourne.

    I wish that was the way it worked. Early CMs felt like they did this, these
    days they are so slow and annoying they really don't show cycling in a good
    light at all.

  16. "Resound" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:


    I've just completed the NSW RTA Big ride which ended in Kiama this
    morning
    (sun) and from Robertson in the southern highlands, last night was the
    biggest mist i've seen in a long time, couldn't barely see the trees nor


    the

    Quoted message said:

    tops of hills which sometimes was a good thing, anyway, we had 5 BMW


    police

    Quoted message said:

    bikes and 2 HWY Patrol cars at our desposal all the 9 days and they
    really
    worked hard, the Police were fantanstic, very well humoured and they
    loved
    the big ride job. We were down to 4 police bikes this morning due to one


    of

    Quoted message said:

    them stuffing up big time, the cops didn't say what it was but i reckon


    from

    Quoted message said:

    all the turning around, contant slowing & accellerating they were doing
    during the big ride, it's every possibility it could've been clutch
    probs.
    the only time the bikes & cars stopped were during morning tea, lunch &


    arvo

    Quoted message said:

    tea stops or if they had to block a road or two for 1,200 cyclists.3 days
    ago we were riding in 38c heat during the Gunning to Marulan leg 109 kms,


    I

    Quoted message said:

    think it was then they had probs with the bike.

    10/10 for the cops, volunteers, ambulance, and all involved.........

    DJ


    Sounds like a really well sorted ride. How long is it, both distance and
    time?

    This is the 05 NSW big ride which finished today (sunday) at Kiama on the
    sth coast NSW and it started at Charlottes Pass in the Kosciusko National
    Park (Snowy mtns). went for 9 days fully supported camping tour of around
    550kms. This Year about 1,200 attended. Had a well earned rest day in
    Queanbeyan (near Canberra) Had a few wet days and a few really hot ones.

    You can read about it and see some pics on http://www.bigride.com.au/

    Next Year it will be centred on Gundagai NSW where the dog sits on the
    tuckerbox.

    Usually up to about 1,200 - 1,500 riders per year including some i met from
    the US and.....and old guy by the name of TOM who at 81 yrs of age, has just
    ridden his 20th big ride. he goes into the NSW, Vic Big ride, Tas & Qld as
    well, he is truly an inspiration and as slow as he is, he will never go into
    the sweep wagon.

    Hope you can join us next year!!

    DJ

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