PTSD Bood test

Lee Michaels said:

I saw this today. I remember Elzi making comments about how exercise

is used

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often in research to simulate stress.

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Blood Test Identifies Those Vulnerable to PTSD

It's how possible to determine, via a blood test, who is most

vulnerable to

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the psychological aftereffects of combat. Post-traumatic stress

disorder

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(PTSD), has been around for as long as humans have been exposed to
terrifying situations. But only in the past few decades has their

been a lot

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of scientific research on the subject. It is now known that about

twelve

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percent of people exposed to a traumatic situation (combat, car

crash,

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whatever), will eventually develop psychological problems (can't

sleep, or

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concentrate, plus irritability, nightmares and flashbacks) months

after the

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trauma. Until Israeli scientists recently developed a test that

accurately

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identified those most likely to develop PTSD, you had to watch

everyone if

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you wanted to identify the PTSD victims. The new blood test will make

it

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easier to treat PTSD victims, who can, in most cases, have their PTSD

cured

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or minimized if they get the right treatment quickly enough.
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I wonder if this anyway an indicator of recovery ability for

exercise?

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What other things could this test be used for>

Nearly any type of chronic stress, mental or physical.

This is a clear cut situation where salivary assays would be very
convenient and provide reliable useful information. In fact, many top
sports coaches are using this to predict the onset of over training
(called over reaching) in their elite athletes.

In article <[email hidden]>,

elzinator said:

Lee Michaels said:

I saw this today. I remember Elzi making comments about how exercise

is used

Quoted message said:

often in research to simulate stress.

********************************
Blood Test Identifies Those Vulnerable to PTSD

It's how possible to determine, via a blood test, who is most

vulnerable to

Quoted message said:

the psychological aftereffects of combat. Post-traumatic stress

disorder

Quoted message said:

(PTSD), has been around for as long as humans have been exposed to
terrifying situations. But only in the past few decades has their

been a lot

Quoted message said:

of scientific research on the subject. It is now known that about

twelve

Quoted message said:

percent of people exposed to a traumatic situation (combat, car

crash,

Quoted message said:

whatever), will eventually develop psychological problems (can't

sleep, or

Quoted message said:

concentrate, plus irritability, nightmares and flashbacks) months

after the

Quoted message said:

trauma. Until Israeli scientists recently developed a test that

accurately

Quoted message said:

identified those most likely to develop PTSD, you had to watch

everyone if

Quoted message said:

you wanted to identify the PTSD victims. The new blood test will make

it

Quoted message said:

easier to treat PTSD victims, who can, in most cases, have their PTSD

cured

Quoted message said:

or minimized if they get the right treatment quickly enough.
***********************************

I wonder if this anyway an indicator of recovery ability for

exercise?

Quoted message said:

What other things could this test be used for>

Nearly any type of chronic stress, mental or physical.

This is a clear cut situation where salivary assays would be very
convenient and provide reliable useful information. In fact, many top
sports coaches are using this to predict the onset of over training
(called over reaching) in their elite athletes.

Are they talking specifically about short term over-reaching or about
over-training (long-term and systematic)? The two terms are not
synonymous.

In article <khobman800-2502050835160001@localhost>,

(Hobbes) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

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I wonder if this anyway an indicator of recovery ability for

exercise?

Quoted message said:

What other things could this test be used for>

Nearly any type of chronic stress, mental or physical.

This is a clear cut situation where salivary assays would be very
convenient and provide reliable useful information. In fact, many top
sports coaches are using this to predict the onset of over training
(called over reaching) in their elite athletes.

Are they talking specifically about short term over-reaching or about
over-training (long-term and systematic)? The two terms are not
synonymous.

I worded this poorly and missed. Does the test predict long-term
over-training as well as over-reaching or are the coaches just assuming if
they over-reach enough it will lead to over-training?

Jeez. I'm not sure that is clear either. More coffee.

Okay, what I'm getting at is there are obviously markers which indicate
over-reaching. Does the test also check additional markers which are
indicitive of long term over-training?

Hobbes said:

In article <khobman800-2502050835160001@localhost>,

(Hobbes) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

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>
> I wonder if this anyway an indicator of recovery ability for
exercise?
>
> What other things could this test be used for>

Nearly any type of chronic stress, mental or physical.

This is a clear cut situation where salivary assays would be very
convenient and provide reliable useful information. In fact, many

top

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Quoted message said:

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sports coaches are using this to predict the onset of over

training

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

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(called over reaching) in their elite athletes.

Are they talking specifically about short term over-reaching or

about

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

over-training (long-term and systematic)? The two terms are not
synonymous.

I worded this poorly and missed. Does the test predict long-term
over-training as well as over-reaching or are the coaches just

assuming if

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they over-reach enough it will lead to over-training?

The latter.
Many athletes train specifically to over reach, but determination of
that point is usually subjective, which, as you know, is not relible.
Crossing that threshold has been the demise of many athletes (ask Lyle
about those stories; he's heard many of them from athletes lately).

So salivary assays can provide a diagnostic tool to determine where an
athlete is relative to that threshold, but individual repsonses also
need to be considered. Not every athlete has the same threshold.

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Jeez. I'm not sure that is clear either. More coffee.

I have coffee-you-can't-see-through..

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Okay, what I'm getting at is there are obviously markers which

indicate

Quoted message said:

over-reaching. Does the test also check additional markers which are
indicitive of long term over-training?

They are mostly the same markers. Absolute and relative concentrations
as well as ratios are important. The most important one is cortisol,
but other hormones and some cytokines are also involved. Evem blood and
liver parameters are important, for which some can be extrapolated from
urinary samples (metabolites).

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In article <khobman800-2502050835160001@localhost>,

(Hobbes) said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote:

[snip]

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>
> I wonder if this anyway an indicator of recovery ability for
exercise?
>
> What other things could this test be used for>

Nearly any type of chronic stress, mental or physical.

This is a clear cut situation where salivary assays would be very
convenient and provide reliable useful information. In fact, many top
sports coaches are using this to predict the onset of over training
(called over reaching) in their elite athletes.

Are they talking specifically about short term over-reaching or about
over-training (long-term and systematic)? The two terms are not
synonymous.

I worded this poorly and missed. Does the test predict long-term
over-training as well as over-reaching or are the coaches just assuming if
they over-reach enough it will lead to over-training?

Jeez. I'm not sure that is clear either. More coffee.

Okay, what I'm getting at is there are obviously markers which indicate
over-reaching. Does the test also check additional markers which are
indicitive of long term over-training?

Uhh......., Keith......., maybe you should get tested for PTSD. There seems
to be indicators in your repeated attempts to ask a question that could be
symptomatic of this stress disorder. ;-)

Or perhaps, as you pointed out, it may just be a short term caffeine
deficiency. 🙂