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  1. A column I wrote a while back.

    Pastorio

    -------------------------------
    Candy is dandy...
    Have you ever tried to make candy bars? I mean like you can buy in
    the stores with fancy wrappers and all. Real candy bars. Here we go
    on a very cool adventure: you're about to see how to do it. And then
    I want you to make up your own.
    Let's start by making a knockoff of of one of the best-known candy
    bars in the country. It's a bit more complicated than a grilled
    cheese or a tossed salad, but still within a normal cook's capacities.
    There is some fussiness in handling chocolate so it works properly.
    Some basic rules: don't let it get over 120 degrees or it'll get
    gritty. Don't get any water into it when melting or it'll tighten up
    into a hard mass. When cutting candies, dip the knife into hot water,
    quickly dry it off and cut. It will go smoother than with a cold
    knife. Dry it well, though. You don't want water in there.

    (MAKE BELIEVE) MILKY WAY CANDY BARS
    This is one of my favorite candy bars (the way the real guys make
    them) and I've eaten lots of them over the years. Right out of the
    wrapper. Frozen. Frozen on a stick. Batter-dipped and quickly deep
    fried. Now try your hands with them at home.
    Makes 14 candy bars.
    2 cups granulated sugar
    1/2 cup light corn syrup
    5 ounces water, divided
    2 tablespoons water
    1 pinch salt
    2 egg whites
    35 caramels (Kraft Caramels, usually)
    1/4 cup semisweet chocolate chips
    2 bags milk chocolate chips, 12 ounces
    In a large saucepan over medium heat, combine the sugar, corn syrup,
    1/2 cup of the water, and the salt. Stir often and use a candy
    thermometer. While the candy boils, beat the egg whites in a metal or
    ceramic bowl until they hold stiff peaks. When the sugar mixture
    reaches 270 degrees F - the “soft-crack” stage - pour it in a thin
    stream into the egg whites with your mixer set on a low speed.
    Continue to mix for 20 minutes so the mixture can gradually thicken.
    Mix until it reaches the consistency of cookie dough. At this point,
    add the chocolate chips but be careful; the mixture will not get any
    thicker after the chocolate is added, so be sure the candy is very
    thick before adding the chips. When the chocolate is blended into the
    candy, press the mixture into a greased 9x9-inch pan and refrigerate
    until cool, about 30 minutes. When the chocolate mixture is
    well-chilled, heat the caramels with the remaining 2 tablespoons water
    in a saucepan until thoroughly melted. Pour the caramel over the
    chilled candy and return to the fridge. When the caramel is firm, use
    a sharp knife dipped in hot water and dried to cut down the center of
    the pan. Then cut the candy across into 7 segments, making a total
    of 14 bars. Melt the chocolate over low heat in a double boiler,
    over, not in, water, or in a microwave for about 2 minutes on medium
    power, stirring occasionally. Be careful not to overheat. Rest each
    cut piece on the tines of a fork and dip into the melted chocolate.
    Tap the fork gently against the side of the bowl to knock off any
    excess chocolate. Put the bars on waxed paper or plastic wrap to cool
    at room temperature (below 75 degrees). This can take several hours
    to fully harden.

    Is there a normal human being who doesn't like Snickers Bars? I
    didn't think so. And while you're doing this, think what else could
    be done to add or subtract things to make it more personally your own
    recipe.

    SNICKERS BARS, SORTA
    This is a home made way to get to something approximating the
    commercial candy bar. We're going to make a nougat layer, then a
    caramel-peanut layer, and finally a dip into some chocolate to cover.
    Makes about 2 dozen bars.
    1/4 cup light corn syrup
    2 tablespoons butter
    1 tablespoon vanilla extract
    1/8 cup peanut butter
    1 dash salt
    3 cups powdered sugar
    35 caramels (Maybe Kraft Caramels)
    1 cup dry-roasted unsalted peanuts
    1 bag milk chocolate chips, 12 ounces
    Mix corn syrup, butter, vanilla, peanut butter, and salt on high
    speed until creamy. Slow the machine and gradually add the powdered
    sugar. When the nougat mixture has the consistency of a dough, remove
    from the work bowl and press it into a lightly greased 9X9-inch pan.
    Chill it in the refrigerator. Melt the caramels in a saucepan over
    low heat. When the caramel is soft, stir in the peanuts. Pour the
    mixture over the chilled nougat in the pan and return to the
    refrigerator. When the refrigerated mixture is firm, melt the
    chocolate over low heat in a double boiler or in a microwave on high
    for 2 minutes. Stir occasionally through the heating time. Cut the
    refrigerated candy into 1X2-inch sections. Rest each piece on the
    tines of a fork and dip into the melted chocolate. Tap the fork
    against the side of the bowl to knock off any excess chocolate. Put
    the chocolate-covered bars on waxed paper or plastic wrap to cool at
    room temperature (below 75 degrees). This can take several hours to
    fully harden.
    Now that you've seen how easy it really is, how about considering
    variations? Different nuts. Dark chocolate instead of milk. Or vice
    versa. Maybe a cookie base with other stuff assembled on top and then
    dipped in chocolate. White chocolate nougat. Crisped rice. Other
    cereals. Chopped dried fruit...
    See where it could go? And who do you think would be the most
    popular grownup in the neighborhood once your kitchen products got out
    there? Maybe even a Nobel prize. Sure. I'm totally serious.

  2. Bob (this one) said:

    A column I wrote a while back.

    Pastorio

    -------------------------------
    Candy is dandy...
    Have you ever tried to make candy bars? I mean like you can buy in
    the stores with fancy wrappers and all. Real candy bars. Here we go on
    a very cool adventure: you're about to see how to do it. And then I
    want you to make up your own.

    [snip]

    You use store-bought caramels? Shouldn't you start with making a few
    pounds of homemade caramel?

    Best regards,
    Bob

  3. On Sun 20 Feb 2005 12:14:43p, Bob (this one) wrote in rec.food.cooking:

    Quoted message said:

    A column I wrote a while back.

    Pastorio

    -------------------------------
    Candy is dandy...
    Have you ever tried to make candy bars? I mean like you can buy in
    the stores with fancy wrappers and all. Real candy bars. Here we go
    on a very cool adventure: you're about to see how to do it. And then
    I want you to make up your own.

    Nice post, Bob. One to keep.

    Thanks,
    Wayne

  4. zxcvbob said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    A column I wrote a while back.

    Pastorio

    -------------------------------
    Candy is dandy...
    Have you ever tried to make candy bars? I mean like you can buy
    in the stores with fancy wrappers and all. Real candy bars. Here we
    go on a very cool adventure: you're about to see how to do it. And
    then I want you to make up your own.

    [snip]

    You use store-bought caramels? Shouldn't you start with making a few
    pounds of homemade caramel?

    Not necessarily. I have made tubloads of caramel on more than a few
    occasions, but it wasn't ever appreciably better than Kraft's. I've
    had caramels made by pastry chefs that were good enough,, but still
    not appreciably better than the commercial.

    My intention in this and most columns is practicality combined with a
    certain quality level. Making the caramel would add a lot of time and
    effort to the projects. Less time to unwrap some packaged caramels. If
    people want to go those extra steps, fine. I'm just not making them
    mandatory.

    I don't subscribe to the idea that homemade is always better than
    commercial. I've had too much bad food prepared by sincere and
    hard-working amateurs. And good stuff made in factories. We use
    store-bought chocolates in candy making. Why not other well-made
    ingredients as well? Marzipan? Nut butters? Lekvar? Dried fruit? Jams?

    Pastorio

  5. E'ed and P'ed, since it's a reply to an old message:

    Bob (this one) said:
    zxcvbob said:
    Bob (this one) said:

    A column I wrote a while back.

    Pastorio

    -------------------------------
    Candy is dandy...
    Have you ever tried to make candy bars? I mean like you can buy
    in the stores with fancy wrappers and all. Real candy bars. Here we
    go on a very cool adventure: you're about to see how to do it. And
    then I want you to make up your own.

    [snip]

    You use store-bought caramels? Shouldn't you start with making a few
    pounds of homemade caramel?

    Not necessarily. I have made tubloads of caramel on more than a few
    occasions, but it wasn't ever appreciably better than Kraft's. I've had
    caramels made by pastry chefs that were good enough,, but still not
    appreciably better than the commercial.

    My intention in this and most columns is practicality combined with a
    certain quality level. Making the caramel would add a lot of time and
    effort to the projects. Less time to unwrap some packaged caramels. If
    people want to go those extra steps, fine. I'm just not making them
    mandatory.

    I don't subscribe to the idea that homemade is always better than
    commercial. I've had too much bad food prepared by sincere and
    hard-working amateurs. And good stuff made in factories. We use
    store-bought chocolates in candy making. Why not other well-made
    ingredients as well? Marzipan? Nut butters? Lekvar? Dried fruit? Jams?

    Pastorio

    Good store-bought jams are getting increasingly hard to find. Besides,
    I have way too many jars of homemade stuff on the shelves. The point is
    well taken for the other items you mentioned. (Making homemade caramels
    and/or cooked fudge without using marshmallows, chocolate chips,
    powdered sugar, nor sweetened condensed milk might be worthy of its own
    article.)

    Got any hints for using up pounds of jams, jellies, and marmalade?
    --besides eating more toast and biscuits? I like making the stuff, but
    only eat it in small quantities and not very often. So it piles up on
    the shelves.

    I was thinking of trying to make "Turkish Delights" (applets and
    cotlets) by thickening melted jam or jelly with cornstarch and chopped
    nuts. Do you think it would work? Any idea on the proportions to use?
    I recently looked at a box from Liberty Orchards and their candy is set
    with pectin and modified food starch.

    Best regards,
    Bob

  6. zxcvbob said:

    E'ed and P'ed, since it's a reply to an old message:

    Good store-bought jams are getting increasingly hard to find. Besides,
    I have way too many jars of homemade stuff on the shelves. The point is
    well taken for the other items you mentioned. (Making homemade caramels
    and/or cooked fudge without using marshmallows, chocolate chips,
    powdered sugar, nor sweetened condensed milk might be worthy of its own
    article.)

    Got any hints for using up pounds of jams, jellies, and marmalade?
    --besides eating more toast and biscuits? I like making the stuff, but
    only eat it in small quantities and not very often. So it piles up on
    the shelves.

    Bar cookies, tunnel cakes, Danish pastries (Oh, boy. Full-time job.),
    Linzer torte, turnovers, rolled breads like cinnamon rolls except with
    jellies between the layers, little [censored], jelly thumbprint cookies,
    thinning and making desert sauces (every year, I make some
    accidentally), gifts for people you like. Painting a car for someone
    you don't like...

    Quoted message said:

    I was thinking of trying to make "Turkish Delights" (applets and
    cotlets) by thickening melted jam or jelly with cornstarch and chopped
    nuts. Do you think it would work? Any idea on the proportions to use?
    I recently looked at a box from Liberty Orchards and their candy is set
    with pectin and modified food starch.

    I've seen recipes for Turkish Delight (also called loukoum and lots of
    variant spellings) that use just starch and others that use starch
    plus some gum like pectin, gelatin or mastic.

    In any case, you'll have to use a bunch of adaptation judgement for
    it. You don't want gummy bears but neither do you want a Jell-O
    jiggler. I'd expect that there would be a slew of recipes online (most
    of them [censored]). Use the recipe search engine for it
    <http://theory.stanford.edu/~amitp/recipe.html>

    Just as a guess, I'd say you'd need to thin the jams and jellies down
    a bit. I'm not sure what re-cooking them to thicken the starch would
    do to the setting capacity of the pectin. Fascinating idea, though.
    Good, strong flavors should come through rather nicely. I'm thinking a
    good strawberry jam should make a most luscious candy.

    I bet it'll only take a couple experiments to zero in on a good
    technique/recipe. First one too stiff, next one too loose...

    Might have to play a bit myself with this. Sounds like a particularly
    good X-mas gift, especially since it's kind of a traditional candy of
    that time of year. Update it a bit, maybe different nuts - chopped
    macadamias, black walnuts, toasted pecans, sugared almonds? Maybe a
    marble swirl of, say, apricot and raspberry. Maybe layered with an
    orange-lemon jelly on bottom with a cinnamon jelly on top. Or get
    crazy with garlic jelly (heh). Mint jelly? Gelled apple butter?
    Strawberry jam and banana liqueur jelly? Could be interesting...

    Pastorio

  7. zxcvbob

    Quoted message said:

    Got any hints for using up pounds of jams, jellies, and
    marmalade? --besides eating more toast and biscuits? I like making the
    stuff, but only eat it in small quantities and not very often. So it
    piles up on the shelves.

    If you Google back in this group, you'll find a recipe for meatballs with a
    sauce made from chili sauce and jelly. (I believe Nancy was the driving
    force behind the popularity of that recipe. :-) You could use a lot of
    jelly up that way.

    I often use jellies, jams, or preserves in glazes for pork chops or
    tenderloins; they also work as glazes on chicken breasts, and they lend
    themselves well to improvised barbecue sauces. And don't forget that melted
    jelly is the classic glaze for fruit [censored].

    Bob

  8. Bob said:

    zxcvbob

    Quoted message said:

    Got any hints for using up pounds of jams, jellies, and
    marmalade? --besides eating more toast and biscuits? I like making the
    stuff, but only eat it in small quantities and not very often. So it
    piles up on the shelves.

    If you Google back in this group, you'll find a recipe for meatballs with a
    sauce made from chili sauce and jelly. (I believe Nancy was the driving
    force behind the popularity of that recipe. :-) You could use a lot of
    jelly up that way.

    I often use jellies, jams, or preserves in glazes for pork chops or
    tenderloins; they also work as glazes on chicken breasts, and they lend
    themselves well to improvised barbecue sauces. And don't forget that melted
    jelly is the classic glaze for fruit [censored].

    Bob

    I use habanero jelly (it's not nearly as hot as it sounds) and canned
    tomato sauce as a base for barbecue sauce sometimes. I made the
    habanero jelly a few years ago and then didn't like it much because the
    vinegar in it was too assertive.

    Bob

  9. zxcvbob said:

    E'ed and P'ed, since it's a reply to an old message:

    Bob (this one) said:
    zxcvbob said:

    Bob (this one) wrote:

    > A column I wrote a while back.
    >
    > Pastorio
    >
    > -------------------------------
    > Candy is dandy...
    > Have you ever tried to make candy bars? I mean like you can buy
    > in the stores with fancy wrappers and all. Real candy bars. Here
    > we go on a very cool adventure: you're about to see how to do it.
    > And then I want you to make up your own.

    [snip]

    You use store-bought caramels? Shouldn't you start with making a few
    pounds of homemade caramel?

    Not necessarily. I have made tubloads of caramel on more than a few
    occasions, but it wasn't ever appreciably better than Kraft's. I've
    had caramels made by pastry chefs that were good enough,, but still
    not appreciably better than the commercial.

    My intention in this and most columns is practicality combined with a
    certain quality level. Making the caramel would add a lot of time and
    effort to the projects. Less time to unwrap some packaged caramels. If
    people want to go those extra steps, fine. I'm just not making them
    mandatory.

    I don't subscribe to the idea that homemade is always better than
    commercial. I've had too much bad food prepared by sincere and
    hard-working amateurs. And good stuff made in factories. We use
    store-bought chocolates in candy making. Why not other well-made
    ingredients as well? Marzipan? Nut butters? Lekvar? Dried fruit? Jams?

    Pastorio

    Good store-bought jams are getting increasingly hard to find. Besides,
    I have way too many jars of homemade stuff on the shelves. The point is
    well taken for the other items you mentioned. (Making homemade caramels
    and/or cooked fudge without using marshmallows, chocolate chips,
    powdered sugar, nor sweetened condensed milk might be worthy of its own
    article.)

    Got any hints for using up pounds of jams, jellies, and marmalade?
    --besides eating more toast and biscuits? I like making the stuff, but
    only eat it in small quantities and not very often. So it piles up on
    the shelves.

    Depends on what kinds you have. I make a lot of jams and jellies yet we
    eat only a small fraction on toast. Both are good stirred into plain
    yogurt or oatmeal. I use apple jelly when baking ham or chicken pieces.
    Apricot jam mixed with a few other ingredients is good for baking
    chicken pieces in too. Cherry and strawberry jam make good ice cream
    toppers. Jam filled muffins are good: just fill muffin tin part way,
    add a generous tsp of jam, then fill the rest of the way with muffin
    mix, bake and enjoy. I make a wine jelly which is a great compliment to
    anything pork. However, it is an acquired taste so I only make 4 - 250
    ml jars. This jelly is actually good on bagels and cream cheese,
    something I would not have thought to try. I use jams in "jelly rolls"
    and occasionally cake fillings. One jelly roll will take amost a full
    500 ml jar of jam. Both jams and jellies can be used when making hors
    d'oeuvres, either sweet, spicy, or meat types. I try to be creative. I
    look at what jam or jelly needs to be used up then incorporate it into
    whatever I'm cooking. I've yet to have a jar of jam or jelly go to
    waste 🙂 I can't give you tips for marmalade as I only make one small
    batch for myself.

    BTW, the philosophy I use when home preserving is to do up what we can
    comfortably use from one growing season to the next. Still, I find
    myself with extra of some things and not enough of others. I think in
    some ways this is the bane of home preservers. You are estimating how
    much you will use until the next growing season but things come up where
    you need less or more.

    Quoted message said:


    I was thinking of trying to make "Turkish Delights" (applets and
    cotlets) by thickening melted jam or jelly with cornstarch and chopped
    nuts. Do you think it would work? Any idea on the proportions to use?
    I recently looked at a box from Liberty Orchards and their candy is set
    with pectin and modified food starch.

    Best regards,
    Bob

  10. zxcvbob said:

    I was thinking of trying to make "Turkish Delights" (applets and
    cotlets) by thickening melted jam or jelly with cornstarch and chopped
    nuts. Do you think it would work? Any idea on the proportions to use?
    I recently looked at a box from Liberty Orchards and their candy is set
    with pectin and modified food starch.

    Here's the recipe my mom used. 🙂

    * Exported from MasterCook *

    Applets

    Recipe By 😄amsel's Heirloom Recipes
    Serving Size : 0 Preparation Time :0:00
    Categories : candies copycat
    fruits

    Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method
    -------- ------------ --------------------------------
    1 ounce knox gelatin
    1 cup unsweetened applesauce -- thick; chilled
    1 1/2 cups unsweetened applesauce -- thick
    4 cups sugar
    1 orange or lemon rind -- grated
    2 teaspoons vanilla extract
    2 cups walnuts -- chopped

    1. Soak gelatin in 1 cup applesauce for 30 minutes.
    2. Bring 1-1/2 cups applesauce to boiling point.
    3. Add sugar and applesauce with gelatin to boiling applesauce; add grated
    orange or lemon rind.
    4. Boil until thick and yellow-looking, approximately 12 minutes. Remove
    from heat.
    5. Add vanilla and walnuts.
    6. Pour into buttered pan and let stand 8 hours or more, or overnight in
    refrigerator.
    7. Cut in squares and roll in powdered sugar.

    Source:
    "Pat Zastera"

    - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

    NOTES : May be made with pureed apricots (Cotlets) instead of applesauce.

  11. Damsel in dis Dress said:
    zxcvbob said:

    I was thinking of trying to make "Turkish Delights" (applets and
    cotlets) by thickening melted jam or jelly with cornstarch and chopped
    nuts. Do you think it would work? Any idea on the proportions to use?
    I recently looked at a box from Liberty Orchards and their candy is set
    with pectin and modified food starch.

    Here's the recipe my mom used. 🙂

    Thanks, but that's not what I'm looking for. I have a bunch of jam and
    jelly to use up, plus I want something thickened with cornstarch (and
    the pectin in the jam) rather than gelatin.

    An ounce of gelatin? Are you sure that recipe is right? I would expect
    only 1 or 2 packets of gelatin.

    Best regards,
    Bob

  12. "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    A column I wrote a while back.

    Pastorio

    Ya but liquor is quicker......

    Dimitri

  13. I deleted an earlier post out of habit, and I had wanted to respond.

    My response: I've never made the Applets (don't like them), so I can't
    vouch for the accuracy of the recipe. I suppose I should stop posted.

    Carol
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  14. "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I deleted an earlier post out of habit, and I had wanted to respond.

    . I suppose I should stop posted.

    Carol

    Probably or take on your alter-ego

    ;-)

    Dimitri

  15. Dimitri' said:

    "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I deleted an earlier post out of habit, and I had wanted to respond.

    . I suppose I should stop posted.

    Carol

    Probably or take on your alter-ego

    ;-)

    Dimitri

    My alter-ego?

    Carol, confused
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  16. "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dimitri' said:

    "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I deleted an earlier post out of habit, and I had wanted to respond.

    . I suppose I should stop posted.

    Carol

    Probably or take on your alter-ego

    ;-)

    Dimitri

    My alter-ego?

    Carol, confused

    Head Tr*****

    Dimitri

  17. Dimitri' said:

    "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Dimitri' said:

    "Damsel in dis Dress" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >I deleted an earlier post out of habit, and I had wanted to respond.
    >
    > . I suppose I should stop posted.
    >
    > Carol

    Probably or take on your alter-ego

    ;-)

    Dimitri

    My alter-ego?

    Carol, confused

    Head Tr*****

    Dimitri

    Gotcha! Thanks for the clarification. I hurt my brain trying to figure
    out what you were talking about. <G>

    Carol, Head Trollop
    --
    "Years ago my mother used to say to me... She'd say,
    'In this world Elwood, you must be oh-so smart or oh-so pleasant.'
    Well, for years I was smart.... I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."

    *James Stewart* in the 1950 movie, _Harvey_

  18. Dimitri said:

    "Bob (this one)" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    A column I wrote a while back.

    Pastorio

    Ya but liquor is quicker......

    <LOL> Exactly. And Aunt Dorothy couldn't have said it better herself...

    Pastorio

  19. zxcvbob said:

    Got any hints for using up pounds of jams, jellies, and marmalade?
    --besides eating more toast and biscuits? I like making the stuff, but
    only eat it in small quantities and not very often. So it piles up on
    the shelves.

    I marinate chicken, pork, or lamb in them, sometimes with a little added
    spice, like red pepper flakes. Also, you can make little [censored] with just
    jam and bits of pastry dough.

    --
    Sir Baldin Pramer, R.P.A.

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