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  1. First things first -- I read the FAQ.

    I first lifted weights years ago when I was a competitive ice skater.
    At first, it was just leg work, because in those days, no one thought
    that upper body strength had anything to do with skating ability. Then
    I had a partner who was into body building. After all, he had to pick
    me up all day, while balancing on ice skates. Talk about functional
    strength! I was a lot happier when I didn't get dropped on my face,
    too. So he dragged me to the gym, too.

    But then life moved on, and I did very, very little exercise for 10
    years. I have ALWAYS done a minimal amount, at least some walking every
    day. But it was pretty minimal. I was also smoking, drinking, and
    eating way too much.

    Then one day I was 35 and I read "Smart Women Stay Strong." It
    convinced me that women really should lift weights. I also noticed at
    that time that I was actually getting out of breath climbing two
    flights of stairs. I used to run stairs, so that disturbed me. I
    stopped using elevators for less than 5 story trips right then.

    I was that last kid picked for teams, super weak. I've never really
    shed my wimp image of myself, even when I was stopping everyone dead in
    their tracks at the ice rink letting my partner throw me up into a
    backflip and expect me to land. I did land, too, so I am probably not
    the wimp I think of myself as.

    But it has been six years now, and I only managed to do my first real
    pushups in my life a couple of years ago. I didn't really make a
    committment to exercise until about 3 years ago. A *lot* of terrible
    things happened to me all at once, and I decided that being fat, drunk
    and/or high, and unable to heave myself from the couch would NOT in any
    way improve my life. I did hire a trainer, and I must have gotten one
    of the good ones, because he taught me squats, deadlifts, and bench
    presses (even though I couldn't bench a CAT, much less the bar).

    But since I've been on my own, I have wandered back to the smith
    machine and hack squats, and even leg presses on really lazy days. I
    recently returned to those core lifts, and I was pleased to find that I
    could do them with good form, if not a lot of weight.

    I've been posting on various fitness boards here and there on the net
    (how I have missed usenet!). I cannot stand responding to one more
    woman say that she "doesn't want to get too big" or "is just looking to
    tone." Just yesterday there was a discussion of lunges and the
    consensus was that they make you bulky. I said, no, FAT makes you
    bulky. But I can't take it anymore. So, hi everyone.

  2. "Lynne" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    First things first -- I read the FAQ.

    I'm thinking the FAQ might need an update. How often have we said that in
    the last, oh, ten years? Who volunteers?

    Quoted message said:

    [mega-snip]
    So, hi everyone.

    So nice of you to drop by.

    Everyone

  3. Lynne said:

    First things first -- I read the FAQ.

    I first lifted weights years ago when I was a competitive ice skater.
    At first, it was just leg work, because in those days, no one thought
    that upper body strength had anything to do with skating ability. Then
    I had a partner who was into body building. After all, he had to pick
    me up all day, while balancing on ice skates. Talk about functional
    strength! I was a lot happier when I didn't get dropped on my face,
    too. So he dragged me to the gym, too.

    But then life moved on, and I did very, very little exercise for 10
    years. I have ALWAYS done a minimal amount, at least some walking
    every day. But it was pretty minimal. I was also smoking, drinking,
    and eating way too much.

    Then one day I was 35 and I read "Smart Women Stay Strong." It
    convinced me that women really should lift weights. I also noticed at
    that time that I was actually getting out of breath climbing two
    flights of stairs. I used to run stairs, so that disturbed me. I
    stopped using elevators for less than 5 story trips right then.

    I was that last kid picked for teams, super weak. I've never really
    shed my wimp image of myself, even when I was stopping everyone dead
    in their tracks at the ice rink letting my partner throw me up into a
    backflip and expect me to land. I did land, too, so I am probably not
    the wimp I think of myself as.

    But it has been six years now, and I only managed to do my first real
    pushups in my life a couple of years ago. I didn't really make a
    committment to exercise until about 3 years ago. A *lot* of terrible
    things happened to me all at once, and I decided that being fat, drunk
    and/or high, and unable to heave myself from the couch would NOT in
    any way improve my life. I did hire a trainer, and I must have gotten
    one of the good ones, because he taught me squats, deadlifts, and
    bench presses (even though I couldn't bench a CAT, much less the bar).

    But since I've been on my own, I have wandered back to the smith
    machine and hack squats, and even leg presses on really lazy days. I
    recently returned to those core lifts, and I was pleased to find that
    I could do them with good form, if not a lot of weight.

    I've been posting on various fitness boards here and there on the net
    (how I have missed usenet!). I cannot stand responding to one more
    woman say that she "doesn't want to get too big" or "is just looking
    to tone." Just yesterday there was a discussion of lunges and the
    consensus was that they make you bulky. I said, no, FAT makes you
    bulky. But I can't take it anymore. So, hi everyone.

    Welcome! But part of the indoctrination for newcomers is that you are
    required to post naked JPGs. I'm sorry, it's not my rule...just one of
    those mandatory MFW rules. Cohen is the guilty party for that one.

    Feel free to email me a complete set.

    Again, sorry for imposing the rule and all. But....rules are rules.
    --
    -Larry

  4. Oh dear. Well then, I'm sorry for intruding. I'll be off.

  5. The book I was referring to was "Strong Women Stay Young. Obviously,
    the crack hadn't quite worn off enough for me to bother proofreading.

  6. Lynne said:

    The book I was referring to was "Strong Women Stay Young. Obviously,
    the crack hadn't quite worn off enough for me to bother proofreading.

    Or was it "Strong Women Stay Smart"?

  7. "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Lynne said:

    The book I was referring to was "Strong Women Stay Young. Obviously,
    the crack hadn't quite worn off enough for me to bother proofreading.

    Or was it "Strong Women Stay Smart"?

    Aaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    I'd managed to forget about that particular author (Miriam E. Nelson).

    I only read one of her books - she thought that 10 lb dumbbells (for things
    like squats and lunges) was heavy. For everybody, including 20 - 49
    year old males!

    Art

  8. elzinator said:
    Lynne said:

    The book I was referring to was "Strong Women Stay Young. Obviously,
    the crack hadn't quite worn off enough for me to bother proofreading.

    Or was it "Strong Women Stay Smart"?

    I think it was "Smart Women Know How To Quote Properly."

  9. LOL, I am really batting zero on that one. First, I get the name of the
    book *so completely wrong* and then I leave off the closing quote.

    And English is my native language too.

  10. Lynne said:

    LOL, I am really batting zero on that one. First, I get the name of the
    book *so completely wrong* and then I leave off the closing quote.

    And English is my native language too.

    What I was referring to is the fact that you don't quote any of the post
    you're replying to.

    You should fix that.

  11. The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

    What I was referring to is the fact that you don't quote any of the


    post

    Quoted message said:

    you're replying to.

    You should fix that.

    OK, I'm batting less than zero. Sorry about that, I'm using the Google
    interface. I figured out how to get it to quote. I wasn't aware that it
    was not quoting. The mail interface quotes, but does not show you the
    quotes, and I assumed that the usenet interface was doing the same.
    Thank you for the heads-up.

    OT: I was active on usenet beginning in 1991, but it became so spam
    infested that I lost interest around 2000. I actually created a couple
    of still-active groups. I miss the old usenet a lot. There are 12
    billion message boards on the web now. I fought that tooth and nail
    (I'm a longtime web developer) every step of the way. I always asked
    "Why are we trying to replicate what already works? We don't need
    message boards on web pages!" You used to be able to find the
    advice/chat/tech support/whatever by searching usenet. Now you have to
    find which of the 12 billion message boards might have what you are
    looking for, and then search there.

    Rant over. I will now properly quote my replies.

  12. Lynne said:
    The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

    What I was referring to is the fact that you don't quote any of the
    post you're replying to.

    You should fix that.

    OK, I'm batting less than zero. Sorry about that, I'm using the Google
    interface. I figured out how to get it to quote. I wasn't aware that it
    was not quoting. The mail interface quotes, but does not show you the
    quotes, and I assumed that the usenet interface was doing the same.
    Thank you for the heads-up.

    Thank you for caring enough about it to take the time to learn how to do
    it right.

    Quoted message said:

    OT: I was active on usenet beginning in 1991, but it became so spam
    infested that I lost interest around 2000. I actually created a couple
    of still-active groups. I miss the old usenet a lot. There are 12
    billion message boards on the web now. I fought that tooth and nail
    (I'm a longtime web developer) every step of the way. I always asked
    "Why are we trying to replicate what already works? We don't need
    message boards on web pages!" You used to be able to find the
    advice/chat/tech support/whatever by searching usenet. Now you have to
    find which of the 12 billion message boards might have what you are
    looking for, and then search there.

    I participate minimally in a handful of web-based BBS thingies, but I
    don't like them nearly as much as I like usenet, and I don't like
    usenet-today nearly as much as I liked usenet-when-I-found-it (in, I
    think 1998).

    Quoted message said:

    Rant over.

    Rants are good, and nothing is off topic - so do it up!

    Quoted message said:

    I will now properly quote my replies.

    I hope all those stupid [censored] non-quoting dipshits who whine like
    scolded three-year-olds whenever they're called on their unacceptable
    posting habits are paying attention. HEY LOSERS! This is how you react
    when someone tells you to quote properly! ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION?

  13. Art S said:


    "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Lynne said:

    The book I was referring to was "Strong Women Stay Young. Obviously,
    the crack hadn't quite worn off enough for me to bother proofreading.

    Or was it "Strong Women Stay Smart"?

    Aaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    I'd managed to forget about that particular author (Miriam E. Nelson).

    I only read one of her books - she thought that 10 lb dumbbells (for things
    like squats and lunges) was heavy. For everybody, including 20 - 49
    year old males!

    ??? I haven't a clue. I was being a smart ass.

    ------------------------------
    Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.

  14. The Queen of Cans and Jars said:
    Lynne said:
    The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

    What I was referring to is the fact that you don't quote any of the
    post you're replying to.

    You should fix that.

    OK, I'm batting less than zero. Sorry about that, I'm using the Google
    interface. I figured out how to get it to quote. I wasn't aware that it
    was not quoting. The mail interface quotes, but does not show you the
    quotes, and I assumed that the usenet interface was doing the same.
    Thank you for the heads-up.

    Thank you for caring enough about it to take the time to learn how to do
    it right.

    Quoted message said:

    OT: I was active on usenet beginning in 1991, but it became so spam
    infested that I lost interest around 2000. I actually created a couple
    of still-active groups. I miss the old usenet a lot. There are 12
    billion message boards on the web now. I fought that tooth and nail
    (I'm a longtime web developer) every step of the way. I always asked
    "Why are we trying to replicate what already works? We don't need
    message boards on web pages!" You used to be able to find the
    advice/chat/tech support/whatever by searching usenet. Now you have to
    find which of the 12 billion message boards might have what you are
    looking for, and then search there.

    I participate minimally in a handful of web-based BBS thingies, but I
    don't like them nearly as much as I like usenet, and I don't like
    usenet-today nearly as much as I liked usenet-when-I-found-it (in, I
    think 1998).

    Quoted message said:

    Rant over.

    Rants are good, and nothing is off topic - so do it up!

    Quoted message said:

    I will now properly quote my replies.

    I hope all those stupid [censored] non-quoting dipshits who whine like
    scolded three-year-olds whenever they're called on their unacceptable
    posting habits are paying attention. HEY LOSERS! This is how you react
    when someone tells you to quote properly! ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION?

    Heeey, Beyotches.com is here to stay!

    Woohoo!!!

    ------------------------------
    Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.

  15. "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Art S said:


    "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Lynne wrote:
    > The book I was referring to was "Strong Women Stay Young. Obviously,
    > the crack hadn't quite worn off enough for me to bother proofreading.

    Or was it "Strong Women Stay Smart"?

    Aaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    I'd managed to forget about that particular author (Miriam E. Nelson).

    I only read one of her books - she thought that 10 lb dumbbells (for things
    like squats and lunges) was heavy. For everybody, including 20 - 49
    year old males!

    ??? I haven't a clue. I was being a smart ass.

    I thought you were.

    I just got VERY frustrated some time ago because there was one lady who
    kept holding Nelson's books up as good examples of how to exercise.
    And I had to reply to either Lynne's post or yours. 50-50 chance.

    Art

  16. Art S said:

    "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Art S said:


    "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    >
    > Lynne wrote:
    > > The book I was referring to was "Strong Women Stay Young.


    Obviously,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > the crack hadn't quite worn off enough for me to bother


    proofreading.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > Or was it "Strong Women Stay Smart"?
    >

    Aaaaaaaaaaaagggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    I'd managed to forget about that particular author (Miriam E.


    Nelson).

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    I only read one of her books - she thought that 10 lb dumbbells


    (for things

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    like squats and lunges) was heavy. For everybody, including 20 -


    49

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    year old males!

    ??? I haven't a clue. I was being a smart ass.

    I thought you were.

    I just got VERY frustrated some time ago because there was one lady


    who

    Quoted message said:

    kept holding Nelson's books up as good examples of how to exercise.

    There are few good comprehensive exercise books for women on the mass
    market level. And from their base level lack of knowledge and
    experience, I can see how they easily subscribe to the dogma of one
    author or the other. Regardless, keep in mind it's all relative. A
    colleague here is a very petite woman, for which a 10-lb dumbbell *is*
    heavy. She knows that her relative strength (or lack of) is not the
    same for everyone. But then she's also a PhD and intelligent enough to
    not project her limitations on others.

    People tend to be narrow minded. It's the 'One Size Fits All' syndrome.

  17. The Queen of Cans and Jars said:
    Lynne said:
    The Queen of Cans and Jars said:

    What I was referring to is the fact that you don't quote any of


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    post you're replying to.

    You should fix that.

    OK, I'm batting less than zero. Sorry about that, I'm using the


    Google

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    interface. I figured out how to get it to quote. I wasn't aware


    that it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was not quoting. The mail interface quotes, but does not show you


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    quotes, and I assumed that the usenet interface was doing the same.
    Thank you for the heads-up.

    Thank you for caring enough about it to take the time to learn how to


    do

    Quoted message said:

    it right.


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    I participate minimally in a handful of web-based BBS thingies, but I
    don't like them nearly as much as I like usenet, and I don't like
    usenet-today nearly as much as I liked usenet-when-I-found-it (in, I
    think 1998).

    Quoted message said:

    Rant over.

    Rants are good, and nothing is off topic - so do it up!

    Quoted message said:

    I will now properly quote my replies.

    I hope all those stupid [censored] non-quoting dipshits who whine like
    scolded three-year-olds whenever they're called on their unacceptable
    posting habits are paying attention. HEY LOSERS! This is how you


    react

    Quoted message said:

    when someone tells you to quote properly! ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION?

    LOL. I can't tell you how horrified I was to discover that there was no
    quote. Before discovering usenet in 1991, I was a Compuserve junkie.
    The first modem I ever used was ACOUSTIC. In 1979. Yes, I am as old as
    dirt. How humiliating to have become a non-quoting, newbie loser. I
    nearly ran for the safety of alt.music.replacements.

  18. Art S said:

    I just got VERY frustrated some time ago because there was one lady


    who

    Quoted message said:

    kept holding Nelson's books up as good examples of how to exercise.
    And I had to reply to either Lynne's post or yours. 50-50 chance.

    She does at least emphasize form. And she does at least promote
    exercise, and specifically strength training. And at least she isn't
    promoting that "high-rep, low weights for LONG, LEAN muscles" [censored] that
    makes me want to SCREAM.

    But great weight lifting advice it isn't.

    Lynne

  19. "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Art S said:


    I just got VERY frustrated some time ago because there was one lady


    who

    Quoted message said:

    kept holding Nelson's books up as good examples of how to exercise.

    There are few good comprehensive exercise books for women on the mass
    market level. And from their base level lack of knowledge and
    experience, I can see how they easily subscribe to the dogma of one
    author or the other. Regardless, keep in mind it's all relative. A
    colleague here is a very petite woman, for which a 10-lb dumbbell *is*
    heavy. She knows that her relative strength (or lack of) is not the
    same for everyone. But then she's also a PhD and intelligent enough to
    not project her limitations on others.

    People tend to be narrow minded. It's the 'One Size Fits All' syndrome.

    Different definitions of "heavy." You are thinking "heavy" means that
    the exerciser either can't lift the weight using good form for the number
    of sets and reps desired *now*. In the book, she says not to go higher
    than 25 lb dumbbells (I think that was for young males doing squats and
    lunges, and it was only 10 lbs for females) due to risk of injury.

    Her web site leaves out a lot, but if you look at
    http://www.strongwomen.com/strong_bones/SB_essentials.asp, note that
    necessary equipment is a pair of 3 lb dumbbells, a pair of 5 lb dumbbells,
    and 10 lb ankle weights. She hints at when to increase the weight, without
    being explicit, and calls 5 - 8 lb dumbbells indicitive of exercising "hard".
    This implies that there is no reason to go beyond 8 lbs - the equipment isn't
    needed and the exercise being done is "hard", so why make it more difficult?

    How many women do you know that have a valid lifetime maximum safe
    weight of 8 lb dumbbells?

    Art

  20. Art S said:

    "elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Art S said:


    I just got VERY frustrated some time ago because there was one


    lady

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    who

    Quoted message said:

    kept holding Nelson's books up as good examples of how to


    exercise.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    There are few good comprehensive exercise books for women on the


    mass

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    market level. And from their base level lack of knowledge and
    experience, I can see how they easily subscribe to the dogma of one
    author or the other. Regardless, keep in mind it's all relative. A
    colleague here is a very petite woman, for which a 10-lb dumbbell


    *is*

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    heavy. She knows that her relative strength (or lack of) is not the
    same for everyone. But then she's also a PhD and intelligent enough


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    not project her limitations on others.

    People tend to be narrow minded. It's the 'One Size Fits All'


    syndrome.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Different definitions of "heavy." You are thinking "heavy" means


    that

    Quoted message said:

    the exerciser either can't lift the weight using good form for the


    number

    Quoted message said:

    of sets and reps desired *now*. In the book, she says not to go


    higher

    Quoted message said:

    than 25 lb dumbbells (I think that was for young males doing squats


    and

    Quoted message said:

    lunges, and it was only 10 lbs for females) due to risk of injury.

    Her web site leaves out a lot, but if you look at
    http://www.strongwomen.com/strong_bones/SB_essentials.asp, note that
    necessary equipment is a pair of 3 lb dumbbells, a pair of 5 lb


    dumbbells,

    Quoted message said:

    and 10 lb ankle weights. She hints at when to increase the weight,


    without

    Quoted message said:

    being explicit, and calls 5 - 8 lb dumbbells indicitive of exercising


    "hard".

    Quoted message said:

    This implies that there is no reason to go beyond 8 lbs - the


    equipment isn't

    Quoted message said:

    needed and the exercise being done is "hard", so why make it more


    difficult?

    Quoted message said:


    How many women do you know that have a valid lifetime maximum safe
    weight of 8 lb dumbbells?

    That *is* pretty wimpy. I suppose that there may be some very frail
    people who will never manage more. But they are probably already 95 an
    weigh 87 pounds.

    I no longer have the book, but I notice that her site doesn't even have
    the "Stay Young" program. Interesting that, as I recall, the equipment
    was 5, 10 and 15 pound dumbbells and 20 pound ankle weights. In fact, I
    remember her cautioning against buying 10 pound ankle weights because
    you would outgrow them too quickly. She said 3 pound dbs if you really
    needed them (as I recall -- I may be wrong). I never looked at strong
    bones, but how could you need LESS for strong bones? She does seem to
    be contradicting herself.

    She convinced me that I needed weight training. Even that actually
    being strong was an attainable goal. But I did move on and find other
    sources of information. And I do have a functioning BS meter.

    Lynne

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