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Mack McKinnon said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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David Cohen said:

If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20

pounds

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of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any

way, it

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won't "work"?

Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so

maintenance

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calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.

Not only would he gain the weight back (assuming no eating-habit

changes)

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but he would gain it back in different places, since some of his old

fat

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cell storage areas had been liposuctioned away. Depending on how

much fat

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was lipoed off, the new fat might show up in some pretty weird spots.

Assuming a male would have the fat removed from the abdominal area, fat
would then accumulate in other regions in line with a adroid pattern:
upper and lower back first, then other areas that may be more
associated with a gynoid pattern: arms and thighs/hips. Eventually,
some of the preadipocytes (the fat cell precurors) in the abdominal
area would then be recruited to become differentiated fat cells and the
ab fat would slowly reappear.

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I once asked a plastic surgeon I knew if a woman could enlarge her

breasts

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by having fat lipoed away from all over her body except for her

breasts and

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then eat to gain weight again. He said, "Sure, in theory at least,

that

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would work."

Sure, theoretically it would because the excess energy has to be stored
somewhere. And the liver 🙂

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mack
austin

Austin, TX?

Quoted message said:

(Martin Bakalorz) said:

David Cohen said:

If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20

pounds

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any

way, it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

won't "work"?

Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so

maintenance

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calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>

Just had to defend hotmail posters.

[a] People don't "change lifestyles" because someone tells them to do
it. Immediate fat loss results can be a major motivation.

According to a survey presented at a seminar here, ~57% of patients
having liposuction had no weight gain 6 months post-surgery. However,
~54% of that population reported no weight changes at all. Of the ~43%
who did report weight gain 6 months post-surgery, 56% of that
population gained weight in the range of 5-10 lbs and 28% gained over
11 pounds. The small % that actually realized a weight loss through 6
months post-surgery is pathetically small.

No one can make any person do anything; it has to come from within.
Instant gratification by immdiate weight loss is only one motivation.
But it's short-term. Mostly only those with limited intelligence use
that as their only motivation. There are plenty of other derived
benefits from changing lifestlyes than immediate fatloss.

[quote="Quoted message"][b] A "lifestyle change" won't affect some things, like reduced[/quote]
levels

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of circulating leptin due to decreases in adipose mass, so "changing
your lifestyle" is not assured to be a permanent solution.

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
won't "work"?

Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>

I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you. However,
I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

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Just had to defend hotmail posters.

You are not an "anonymous" Hotmail poster.

In fact, we at the International Zionist Cabal have all your personal
information. BTW, the check you wrote to BDSMtoys.com is gonna' bounce, so
you might want to fix that 🙂

David

David Cohen said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
won't "work"?

Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>

I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you. However,
I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
however.

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.

If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
make to reach that goal?

------------------------------
Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.

"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
>pounds
>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way,
>it
>won't "work"?
>
>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>

I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.
However,
I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
however.

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.

Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish extra
calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change". Your
definition may, of course, vary.

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If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
make to reach that goal?

Eat less, exercise more.

Trick question.

David

"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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David Cohen said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:

>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20

pounds

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way,

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>won't "work"?
>
>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>

I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.

However,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
however.

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.

If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
make to reach that goal?

------------------------------
Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.

I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle change
is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not done
so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
(although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I stay
changed, the longer I live).
Dr. Death got it all over Dr. Phil when I comes to fat loss and health.

--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
Proud member of the, "Vast right-wing conspiracy."

David Cohen said:

Quoted message said:

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to

make

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated

choices.

Quoted message said:

Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish

extra

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calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change".

Your

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definition may, of course, vary.

Of course, which is why I proposed the challenge of dropping 12.5
lbs/month and keeping it off. I know you well enough that it might be a
challenge 🙂

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Quoted message said:

If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep

it

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off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have

to

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make to reach that goal?

Eat less, exercise more.

Trick question.

It's all relative.

Dr_Dickie said:

Quoted message said:

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to

make

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated

choices.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make to reach that goal?

I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle

change

Quoted message said:

is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not

done

Quoted message said:

so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
(although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I

stay

Quoted message said:

changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.

"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Dr_Dickie said:

Quoted message said:

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to

make

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated

choices.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make to reach that goal?

I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle

change

Quoted message said:

is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not

done

Quoted message said:

so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
(although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I

stay

Quoted message said:

changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.

Also explains why losing weight is so hard for the public, and why fad diets
are so popular. Takes a lot of work, and a lifetime of vigilance to pull it
off. The general public simply doesn't want to learn and put in the effort
(try teaching college students chemistry!).
--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
Proud member of the, "Vast right-wing conspiracy."

On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dr_Dickie said:

Quoted message said:

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to

make

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated

choices.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make to reach that goal?

I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle

change

Quoted message said:

is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not

done

Quoted message said:

so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
(although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I

stay

Quoted message said:

changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.

That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
a maintenance diet is?

If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.

Life gets teejus don't it?!! ;o)

Have a great weekend - I always do!!

TFIF!!

"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

Quoted message said:

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to

make

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated

choices.

Quoted message said:

Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish

extra

Quoted message said:

calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change".

Your

Quoted message said:

definition may, of course, vary.

Of course, which is why I proposed the challenge of dropping 12.5
lbs/month and keeping it off. I know you well enough that it might be a
challenge 🙂

Done it before. Probably do it again. Uh...tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow. No
later than Monday. Probably.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep

it

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

make to reach that goal?

Eat less, exercise more.

Trick question.

It's all relative.

You've met my sisters?

David

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dr_Dickie said:

> Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to

make

Quoted message said:

> a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated

choices.

Quoted message said:

>
> If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep

it

Quoted message said:

> off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have

to

Quoted message said:

> make to reach that goal?

I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle

change

Quoted message said:

is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not

done

Quoted message said:

so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
(although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I

stay

Quoted message said:

changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.

That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
a maintenance diet is?

If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.

Yes.

I am currently in the yo cycle. I'm gonna' switch to the yo cycle at some
point.

David

In article <[email hidden]>, "David

Cohen said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dr_Dickie wrote:

> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
make
> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
choices.
> >
> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
it
> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
to
> > make to reach that goal?
>
> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
change
> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
done
> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
stay
> changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.

That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
a maintenance diet is?

If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.

Yes.

I am currently in the yo cycle. I'm gonna' switch to the yo cycle at some
point.

Is this the Philly diet?

"Yo, Adrianne!"

David Cohen said:

"Charles" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Dr_Dickie wrote:

> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
make
> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
choices.
> >
> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
it
> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
to
> > make to reach that goal?
>
> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
change
> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
done
> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
stay
> changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.

That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
a maintenance diet is?

If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.

Yes.

I am currently in the yo cycle. I'm gonna' switch to the yo cycle at some
point.

As the name implies, you'll know when it's time to revert from one yo
to the other, which normally coincides with that awkward physical fact
of life, when you ultimately (again) can't see your [censored] when you're
peeing!! ;o)

Have a great weekend David - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!

Dr_Dickie said:

"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Dr_Dickie said:

> Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in

daily

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has

to

Quoted message said:

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make

Quoted message said:

> a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated

choices.

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>
> If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and

keep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

it

Quoted message said:

> off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you

have

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to

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> make to reach that goal?

I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a

lifestyle

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

change

Quoted message said:

is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

done

Quoted message said:

so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise

more

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

(although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and

eat

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stay

Quoted message said:

changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing

an

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.

Also explains why losing weight is so hard for the public, and why

fad diets

Quoted message said:

are so popular. Takes a lot of work, and a lifetime of vigilance to

pull it

Quoted message said:

off. The general public simply doesn't want to learn and put in the

effort

Quoted message said:

(try teaching college students chemistry!).

Biochemistry maybe, but not general chem. (taught a few labs in
virology; does that count?)
Make it interesting and they will come 🙂

Same with diets. They don't have to be boring.

"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Dr_Dickie said:

"elzinator" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Dr_Dickie wrote:

> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in

daily

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Quoted message said:

> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has

to

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make
> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
choices.
> >
> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and

keep

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it
> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you

have

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to
> > make to reach that goal?
>
> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a

lifestyle

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

change
> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has

not

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

done
> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise

more

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and

eat

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer

I

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

stay
> changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing

an

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.

Also explains why losing weight is so hard for the public, and why

fad diets

Quoted message said:

are so popular. Takes a lot of work, and a lifetime of vigilance to

pull it

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off. The general public simply doesn't want to learn and put in the

effort

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(try teaching college students chemistry!).

Biochemistry maybe, but not general chem. (taught a few labs in
virology; does that count?)
Make it interesting and they will come 🙂

Same with diets. They don't have to be boring.

By the time you get them to biochem they are already chem or biology
students (studying what they are interested in)--you got a built in hook.
G-chem they just need for general purposes--much harder group to get
involved. Actually, intro chem (chem for nurses and poets--sorry Cohen
that's what some folks call it) was easier. They were just there for general
purpose but the simplicity of the material made it easier to make fun.
Although that had a lot to do with class size as well. G-chem or into at 250
students is a bear. Intro or quant at 25 or 50 students is easier.

David Cohen said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
won't "work"?

Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>

I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.

eh ... I was mainly yanking your chain ...
Howevvvvver ... I think the original hotmailer was closer to right
than the statement below

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However,
I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
would tend to disagree with you.

I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
change.

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Just had to defend hotmail posters.

You are not an "anonymous" Hotmail poster.

In fact, we at the International Zionist Cabal have all your personal
information. BTW, the check you wrote to BDSMtoys.com is gonna' bounce, so
you might want to fix that 🙂

Ha ... Now I know you're lying; they wont take checks from me or most
other customers, only credit cards.

The only reason they accept checks from you is because you are a
member of their prefered customer club.

Besides which, UPS delivered all my toys yesterday.
I love most of the ones you recomended, although I still don't agree
with your obsession with all the enlargers ...
<shrug> I guess some of us are just more satisfied with what nature
provided than others.

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David

Martin

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
>pounds
>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way,
>it
>won't "work"?
>
>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>

I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.

eh ... I was mainly yanking your chain ...
Howevvvvver ... I think the original hotmailer was closer to right
than the statement below

But, that would make you wrong.

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However,
I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
would tend to disagree with you.

I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
change.

But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one said
you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra calories
burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.

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Just had to defend hotmail posters.

You are not an "anonymous" Hotmail poster.

In fact, we at the International Zionist Cabal have all your personal
information. BTW, the check you wrote to BDSMtoys.com is gonna' bounce, so
you might want to fix that 🙂

Ha ... Now I know you're lying; they wont take checks from me or most
other customers, only credit cards.

The only reason they accept checks from you is because you are a
member of their prefered customer club.

Good point.

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Besides which, UPS delivered all my toys yesterday.
I love most of the ones you recomended, although I still don't agree
with your obsession with all the enlargers ...

They have many uses. Try to be more imaginative.

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<shrug> I guess some of us are just more satisfied with what nature
provided than others.

Well, there was that tragic wheat threasher accident 🙁

David

David Cohen said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

However,
I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
would tend to disagree with you.

I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
change.

But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one said
you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra calories
burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.

What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
does it for two years before regressing?
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net

"JMW" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
> However,
>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
would tend to disagree with you.

I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
change.

But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one
said
you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra
calories
burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.

What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
does it for two years before regressing?

Exactly. As I've been pointing out, the definition of "lifestyle change" is
extremely individual. There is no one answer.

David