collars on BP

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I overheard a discussion about the safety of flat benching with and
without collars. One guy said that collars should be used with
pressing, squatting, and other lifts but that flat benching without
collars would be safer than benching with collars when a spotter or
safety bars on a power rack are not available. His argument was that
he could get a heavy BB w/o collars off his chest but that he'd be
cooked if the bar had collars and no one came to rescue him. Does that
sound right?

Ugh, he might be able to get out of it easier, but he's still a
dumbass for putting himself in that situation. It's also likely to
become impossible to control when plates start sliding off one end.
Sounds like a good way to get hurt.

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Quoted message said:

I overheard a discussion about the safety of flat benching with and
without collars. One guy said that collars should be used with
pressing, squatting, and other lifts but that flat benching without
collars would be safer than benching with collars when a spotter or
safety bars on a power rack are not available. His argument was that
he could get a heavy BB w/o collars off his chest but that he'd be
cooked if the bar had collars and no one came to rescue him. Does that
sound right?

It might be safer for him, but not for anyone who gets hit by 45 pounds of
flying metal bar when the plates slide off one side because he didn't press
evenly, then the bar catapults the other way.

Peter

Quoted message said:

I overheard a discussion about the safety of flat benching with and
without collars. One guy said that collars should be used with
pressing, squatting, and other lifts but that flat benching without
collars would be safer than benching with collars when a spotter or
safety bars on a power rack are not available. His argument was that
he could get a heavy BB w/o collars off his chest but that he'd be
cooked if the bar had collars and no one came to rescue him. Does that
sound right?

I guess he means that in the worst case scenario where noone was
available to help and he was stuck under a barbell, he could dump the
weights off one side causing the barbell to flip off him onto the other
(weighted) side. I'd imagine it would violently take him off the bench
with it, and probably crack a rib or two in the process though if he
were using enough weight. Even in a power rack, if you lose enough
plates (or they move far enough out towards the end of the barbell)
you're going to be in a lot of trouble. That said, I often don't bother
with collars and instead use weights that are challenging but not so
heavy that my form breaks down enough to allow the weights to start
sliding.

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Quoted message said:

I overheard a discussion about the safety of flat benching with and
without collars. One guy said that collars should be used with
pressing, squatting, and other lifts but that flat benching without
collars would be safer than benching with collars when a spotter or
safety bars on a power rack are not available. His argument was that
he could get a heavy BB w/o collars off his chest but that he'd be
cooked if the bar had collars and no one came to rescue him. Does that
sound right?

I don't think it will work as well as he thinks it will.

Ask him to demonstrate using his 1 rep max
Bring a video camera and record the experiment.
Post MPEGs of the results..

Martin

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candidates caught on tape ...

On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:05:00 GMT, [email hidden] (Martin

Bakalorz) said:

Quoted message said:

I overheard a discussion about the safety of flat benching with and
without collars. One guy said that collars should be used with
pressing, squatting, and other lifts but that flat benching without
collars would be safer than benching with collars when a spotter or
safety bars on a power rack are not available. His argument was that
he could get a heavy BB w/o collars off his chest but that he'd be
cooked if the bar had collars and no one came to rescue him. Does that
sound right?

I don't think it will work as well as he thinks it will.

Ask him to demonstrate using his 1 rep max
Bring a video camera and record the experiment.
Post MPEGs of the results..

Martin

... And tonight on Americas Funnies Videos ... Darwin Award
candidates caught on tape ...

To be fair to him and to add other things he said . . .
He said he'd definitely use a good spotter or use the safety bar on a
power rack if he was using 3-rep max weights. He knows he'd probably
get hurt if he had to push the collarless bar off and he realizes that
people near him could get injured, esp. if other equipment is set up
too close to the bench.

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Quoted message said:

I overheard a discussion about the safety of flat benching with and
without collars. One guy said that collars should be used with
pressing, squatting, and other lifts but that flat benching without
collars would be safer than benching with collars when a spotter or
safety bars on a power rack are not available. His argument was that
he could get a heavy BB w/o collars off his chest but that he'd be
cooked if the bar had collars and no one came to rescue him. Does that
sound right?

I don't think it will work as well as he thinks it will.

It works fine. Obviously you have to take into account whether other people
are around.

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It's also likely to
become impossible to control when plates start sliding off one end.

That would be my reason for at least using some spring clips. I don't use
collars when I only have 1 plate per side when warming up but even if I use
185 I put some on to keep the plates from possibly sliding around. I also
use collars even with 1 plate per side when I squat so the walkout doesn't
make the plates slide.

DZ said:

ATP* said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:55:33 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:
>I overheard a discussion about the safety of flat benching with and
>without collars. One guy said that collars should be used with
>pressing, squatting, and other lifts but that flat benching without
>collars would be safer than benching with collars when a spotter or
>safety bars on a power rack are not available. His argument was that
>he could get a heavy BB w/o collars off his chest but that he'd be
>cooked if the bar had collars and no one came to rescue him. Does that
>sound right?

I don't think it will work as well as he thinks it will.

It works fine. Obviously you have to take into account whether other people
are around.

Did you kill Vladimir Vladimirovich and took over his computer?

Everyone was ignoring Vlad. Even Schuh.
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ATP* said:

"Martin Bakalorz" <[email hidden]> wrote

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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 01:55:33 GMT, [email hidden] wrote:
>I overheard a discussion about the safety of flat benching with and
>without collars. One guy said that collars should be used with
>pressing, squatting, and other lifts but that flat benching without
>collars would be safer than benching with collars when a spotter or
>safety bars on a power rack are not available. His argument was that
>he could get a heavy BB w/o collars off his chest but that he'd be
>cooked if the bar had collars and no one came to rescue him. Does that
>sound right?

I don't think it will work as well as he thinks it will.

It works fine. Obviously you have to take into account whether other
people
are around.

Did you kill Vladimir Vladimirovich and took over his computer?

DZ

I couldn't get the bar off my chest and had to dump the plates on him.

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ATP* said:

"DZ" wrote

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ATP* <[email hidden]> wrote:
> It works fine. Obviously you have to take into account whether
> other people are around.

Did you kill Vladimir Vladimirovich and took over his computer?

I couldn't get the bar off my chest and had to dump the plates on him.

I could see that secretive sadness in his books, he knew it's coming.

Poor Nabokov.

I recently added Pale Fire and Nabokov's Stories to my collection.