Treadmill question

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Can somebody tell me the relation between time, heart rate, slope,
speed and calories on a tread mill. I am 29 5"9 198 pounnds. I want to
loose 20 pounds.

I can run for 25 minutes on slope=3 and speed=5 miles/hour but my heart
rate shoots up to 180. The weight loss program on the tread mill
recommends 30 min of run with slope=0 and speed =3.2

Should I follow the program or should I go as fast as I can go?

Thanks
abracadabra--------------------------------------------------------

Go as hard as you can for atleast 20 minutes. Ignore heart rate unless you
start feeling dizzy. 180 at your age is nothing to be worried about.

Better still, walk or jog slowly till your heart rate gets up to about
130-140, then sprint as hard as you can till you get your heart rate to
about 190 or more without feeling sick and hold speed for as long as you are
comfortable for a max of about 5-6 mins, then slow down till your heart rate
by jogging or walking to 140. I just hit the emergency stop to slow down
from the sprint. Keep repeating this as long as you can from 20 mins to 1
hour. Or, if you are a member of a gym that does Body Attack do that
instead.

calculate your energy expenditure per day, and eat 500 calories less than
that. Use www.fitday.com

Lift heavy weights.

You will lose 20 pounds in 20 weeks. How of that will be fat is upto how
hard you lifted, during that time and how much protein you ingested.

You can get a lot fancier than this, but this is the basics of what you need
to do.

npne is right. I do 30-40minutes of cardio a day keeping my HR at 130.
Generally if you go faster than that on an empty stomach your body
cannot burn fat fast enough and will start using muscle for fuel. Diet
is the key...no amount of speed, temp, distance will bunr enough
calories to make up for eating a lot of junk food.

Tony Kehl
Developing Fitness Programs for Individuals
[email hidden]
www.simplefitness.biz

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no amount of speed, temp, distance will bunr en­ough calories to

make up for eating a lot of junk food

Why not ??

Weight lifting has nothing to do with burning fat. To burn fat, you
need to do low-intensity cardio. When you sprint or do other
fast/high-intensity workouts, your body first uses stored ATP for fuel
(a few seconds) and then it will start to convert stored glycogen to
ATP. Converting glycogen to ATP is a relatively simple and fast process
compared to converting fat, but it creates a bi-product called lactic
acid which will eventually prohibit your muscles from contracting. For
long, sustained activity levels, your body can use the slower process
of converting stored fat to ATP. This process requires oxygen (aerobic)
and does not produce as much ATP as glycogen and will therefore only be
used when your energy demands are low. If you feel burning (lactic
acid) or if you are not breathing steadily, you are using glycogen for
fuel instead of fat. You should run at a pace that you feel you can
sustain for very long periods of time if losing weight is your goal.
Hope that helps.

npne said:

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Quoted message said:

Can somebody tell me the relation between time, heart rate, slope,
speed and calories on a tread mill. I am 29 5"9 198 pounnds. I want

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

loose 20 pounds.

I can run for 25 minutes on slope=3 and speed=5 miles/hour but my

heart

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rate shoots up to 180. The weight loss program on the tread mill
recommends 30 min of run with slope=0 and speed =3.2

Should I follow the program or should I go as fast as I can go?

Thanks
abracadabra--------------------------------------------------------

Go as hard as you can for atleast 20 minutes. Ignore heart rate

unless you

Quoted message said:

start feeling dizzy. 180 at your age is nothing to be worried about.

Better still, walk or jog slowly till your heart rate gets up to

about

Quoted message said:

130-140, then sprint as hard as you can till you get your heart rate

to

Quoted message said:

about 190 or more without feeling sick and hold speed for as long as

you are

Quoted message said:

comfortable for a max of about 5-6 mins, then slow down till your

heart rate

Quoted message said:

by jogging or walking to 140. I just hit the emergency stop to slow

down

Quoted message said:

from the sprint. Keep repeating this as long as you can from 20 mins

to 1

Quoted message said:

hour. Or, if you are a member of a gym that does Body Attack do that
instead.

calculate your energy expenditure per day, and eat 500 calories less

than

Quoted message said:

that. Use www.fitday.com

Lift heavy weights.

You will lose 20 pounds in 20 weeks. How of that will be fat is upto

how

Quoted message said:

hard you lifted, during that time and how much protein you ingested.

You can get a lot fancier than this, but this is the basics of what

you need

Quoted message said:

to do.

Titan1969 said:

npne is right. I do 30-40minutes of cardio a day keeping my HR at 130.

A very unproductive practise. Without training much harder than this, most
people will never develop the aerobic capacity to burn a substantial amount
of calories.

Quoted message said:

Generally if you go faster than that on an empty stomach your body
cannot burn fat fast enough and will start using muscle for fuel. Diet

Hogwash.

Quoted message said:

is the key...no amount of speed, temp, distance will bunr enough
calories to make up for eating a lot of junk food.

Hogwash again. The 70 miles a week running that I do is good enough to burn
quite a lot of junk food.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

In article <[email hidden]>, Donovan Rebbechi

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Titan1969 said:

npne is right. I do 30-40minutes of cardio a day keeping my HR at 130.

A very unproductive practise. Without training much harder than this, most
people will never develop the aerobic capacity to burn a substantial amount
of calories.

Quoted message said:

Generally if you go faster than that on an empty stomach your body
cannot burn fat fast enough and will start using muscle for fuel. Diet

Hogwash.

Quoted message said:

is the key...no amount of speed, temp, distance will bunr enough
calories to make up for eating a lot of junk food.

Hogwash again. The 70 miles a week running that I do is good enough to burn
quite a lot of junk food.

Reminds me of my refeed after long runs.

Every Saturday am was long run day and I was working up to marathon
distance. (FWIW I wouldn't train like this again if I were to do another
marathon - I'd do far more pace work and LSD mebbe every second week.)

So I started at 16 mile runs and worked up to 24 over about 3 months.
After the run I'd come home and have breakfast. 12 eggs, lb of bacon, loaf
of brown bread and mebbe some hash browns.

Then as often or not I'd sleep.

Talk about undoing the training benefit in one fell swoop!

:^)

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Donovan Rebbechi

Quoted message said:

Titan1969 said:

npne is right. I do 30-40minutes of cardio a day keeping my HR at 130.

A very unproductive practise. Without training much harder than this, most
people will never develop the aerobic capacity to burn a substantial amount
of calories.

Quoted message said:

Generally if you go faster than that on an empty stomach your body
cannot burn fat fast enough and will start using muscle for fuel. Diet

Hogwash.

Quoted message said:

is the key...no amount of speed, temp, distance will bunr enough
calories to make up for eating a lot of junk food.

Hogwash again. The 70 miles a week running that I do is good enough to burn
quite a lot of junk food.

Reminds me of my refeed after long runs.

Every Saturday am was long run day and I was working up to marathon
distance. (FWIW I wouldn't train like this again if I were to do another
marathon - I'd do far more pace work and LSD mebbe every second week.)

Is hallucinating a good training technique?

npne said:

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Quoted message said:

Can somebody tell me the relation between time, heart rate, slope,
speed and calories on a tread mill. I am 29 5"9 198 pounnds. I want to
loose 20 pounds.

I can run for 25 minutes on slope=3 and speed=5 miles/hour but my heart
rate shoots up to 180. The weight loss program on the tread mill
recommends 30 min of run with slope=0 and speed =3.2

Should I follow the program or should I go as fast as I can go?

Thanks
abracadabra--------------------------------------------------------

Go as hard as you can for atleast 20 minutes. Ignore heart rate unless you
start feeling dizzy. 180 at your age is nothing to be worried about.

Better still, walk or jog slowly till your heart rate gets up to about
130-140, then sprint as hard as you can till you get your heart rate to
about 190 or more without feeling sick and hold speed for as long as you are
comfortable for a max of about 5-6 mins, then slow down till your heart rate
by jogging or walking to 140. I just hit the emergency stop to slow down
from the sprint. Keep repeating this as long as you can from 20 mins to 1
hour. Or, if you are a member of a gym that does Body Attack do that
instead.

Fast track to injury (either an overuse injury a very nasty fall).

This is terrible advice.

BTW, anything that you can do for 5-6 minutes is not a "sprint" (in your case,
it's probably slower than my half-marathon race pace)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:42:09 GMT, [email hidden] (The Queen of

Cans and Jars) said:

Hobbes <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Reminds me of my refeed after long runs.

Every Saturday am was long run day and I was working up to marathon
distance. (FWIW I wouldn't train like this again if I were to do another
marathon - I'd do far more pace work and LSD mebbe every second week.)

Is hallucinating a good training technique?

It's the only way I'll ever win.

Patrick Falcon

Quoted message said:

Can somebody tell me the relation between time, heart rate, slope,
speed and calories on a tread mill. I am 29 5"9 198 pounnds. I want to
loose 20 pounds.

miles * weight * 100 / 137

slope has a big impact on energy cost, Daniels running formula by Jack
Daniels has the numbers.

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I can run for 25 minutes on slope=3 and speed=5 miles/hour but my heart
rate shoots up to 180.

Recommend putting the incline down to 0. Your heart rate should be elevated,
but you should feel like you can keep going for another 30 minutes at the end
of your run.

Quoted message said:

The weight loss program on the tread mill
recommends 30 min of run with slope=0 and speed =3.2

Should I follow the program or should I go as fast as I can go?

3.2mph is too slow. Most people have trouble running this slowly. Keep using
5.0 mph but reduce the incline, and take short walk breaks every 5 minutes
or so if you need to.

I'd also recommend building up to longer workouts as your fitness allows --
more like 40 minutes.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Quoted message said:

Weight lifting has nothing to do with burning fat. To burn fat, you

Wow, a top-posting moron posting from Google. Whodathunkit?

Quoted message said:

need to do low-intensity cardio. When you sprint or do other
fast/high-intensity workouts, your body first uses stored ATP for fuel
(a few seconds) and then it will start to convert stored glycogen to
ATP. Converting glycogen to ATP is a relatively simple and fast process
compared to converting fat, but it creates a bi-product called lactic
acid which will eventually prohibit your muscles from contracting. For
long, sustained activity levels, your body can use the slower process
of converting stored fat to ATP. This process requires oxygen (aerobic)
and does not produce as much ATP as glycogen and will therefore only be
used when your energy demands are low. If you feel burning (lactic
acid) or if you are not breathing steadily, you are using glycogen for
fuel instead of fat. You should run at a pace that you feel you can
sustain for very long periods of time if losing weight is your goal.
Hope that helps.

npne said:

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news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Can somebody tell me the relation between time, heart rate, slope,
speed and calories on a tread mill. I am 29 5"9 198 pounnds. I want

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

loose 20 pounds.

I can run for 25 minutes on slope=3 and speed=5 miles/hour but my

heart

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

rate shoots up to 180. The weight loss program on the tread mill
recommends 30 min of run with slope=0 and speed =3.2

Should I follow the program or should I go as fast as I can go?

Thanks
abracadabra--------------------------------------------------------

Go as hard as you can for atleast 20 minutes. Ignore heart rate

unless you

Quoted message said:

start feeling dizzy. 180 at your age is nothing to be worried about.

Better still, walk or jog slowly till your heart rate gets up to

about

Quoted message said:

130-140, then sprint as hard as you can till you get your heart rate

to

Quoted message said:

about 190 or more without feeling sick and hold speed for as long as

you are

Quoted message said:

comfortable for a max of about 5-6 mins, then slow down till your

heart rate

Quoted message said:

by jogging or walking to 140. I just hit the emergency stop to slow

down

Quoted message said:

from the sprint. Keep repeating this as long as you can from 20 mins

to 1

Quoted message said:

hour. Or, if you are a member of a gym that does Body Attack do that
instead.

calculate your energy expenditure per day, and eat 500 calories less

than

Quoted message said:

that. Use www.fitday.com

Lift heavy weights.

You will lose 20 pounds in 20 weeks. How of that will be fat is upto

how

Quoted message said:

hard you lifted, during that time and how much protein you ingested.

You can get a lot fancier than this, but this is the basics of what

you need

Quoted message said:

to do.

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Proton Soup

"Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:42:09 GMT, [email hidden] (The Queen of

Cans and Jars) said:

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Donovan Rebbechi

Quoted message said:

On 2005-01-31, Titan1969 <[email hidden]> wrote:
> npne is right. I do 30-40minutes of cardio a day keeping my HR at 130.

A very unproductive practise. Without training much harder than this, most
people will never develop the aerobic capacity to burn a substantial amount
of calories.

> Generally if you go faster than that on an empty stomach your body
> cannot burn fat fast enough and will start using muscle for fuel. Diet

Hogwash.

> is the key...no amount of speed, temp, distance will bunr enough
> calories to make up for eating a lot of junk food.

Hogwash again. The 70 miles a week running that I do is good enough to burn
quite a lot of junk food.

Reminds me of my refeed after long runs.

Every Saturday am was long run day and I was working up to marathon
distance. (FWIW I wouldn't train like this again if I were to do another
marathon - I'd do far more pace work and LSD mebbe every second week.)

Is hallucinating a good training technique?

Must be that visualization thing I've heard so much about.

-----------
Proton Soup

"Thanks for noticing that I didn't actually say anything." - Mike Lane

"Proton Soup" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Weight lifting has nothing to do with burning fat. To burn fat, you

Wow, a top-posting moron posting from Google. Whodathunkit?

Google...today's AOL.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

need to do low-intensity cardio. When you sprint or do other
fast/high-intensity workouts, your body first uses stored ATP for fuel
(a few seconds) and then it will start to convert stored glycogen to
ATP. Converting glycogen to ATP is a relatively simple and fast process
compared to converting fat, but it creates a bi-product called lactic
acid which will eventually prohibit your muscles from contracting. For
long, sustained activity levels, your body can use the slower process
of converting stored fat to ATP. This process requires oxygen (aerobic)
and does not produce as much ATP as glycogen and will therefore only be
used when your energy demands are low. If you feel burning (lactic
acid) or if you are not breathing steadily, you are using glycogen for
fuel instead of fat. You should run at a pace that you feel you can
sustain for very long periods of time if losing weight is your goal.
Hope that helps.

If the problem is lack of Idiot of the Month candidates, then, yes, it
helps. Thanks.

David

Patrick Falcon said:

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:42:09 GMT, [email hidden] (The Queen of

Cans and Jars) said:

Hobbes <[email hidden]> wrote:

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Reminds me of my refeed after long runs.

Every Saturday am was long run day and I was working up to marathon
distance. (FWIW I wouldn't train like this again if I were to do another
marathon - I'd do far more pace work and LSD mebbe every second week.)

Is hallucinating a good training technique?

It's the only way I'll ever win.

Mheh. It's the only way I'd ever *compete,* let alone win.

Proton Soup said:

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:42:09 GMT, [email hidden] (The Queen of

Cans and Jars) said:

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Donovan Rebbechi
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> On 2005-01-31, Titan1969 <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > npne is right. I do 30-40minutes of cardio a day keeping my HR at 130.
>
> A very unproductive practise. Without training much harder than this,
> most people will never develop the aerobic capacity to burn a
> substantial amount of calories.
>
> > Generally if you go faster than that on an empty stomach your body
> > cannot burn fat fast enough and will start using muscle for fuel.
> > Diet
>
> Hogwash.
>
> > is the key...no amount of speed, temp, distance will bunr enough
> > calories to make up for eating a lot of junk food.
>
> Hogwash again. The 70 miles a week running that I do is good enough
> to burn quite a lot of junk food.

Reminds me of my refeed after long runs.

Every Saturday am was long run day and I was working up to marathon
distance. (FWIW I wouldn't train like this again if I were to do
another marathon - I'd do far more pace work and LSD mebbe every second
week.)

Is hallucinating a good training technique?

Must be that visualization thing I've heard so much about.

I reckon.

In article <[email hidden]>, Proton Soup

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:42:09 GMT, [email hidden] (The Queen of

Cans and Jars) said:

Hobbes said:

In article <[email hidden]>, Donovan Rebbechi
<[email hidden]> wrote:

> On 2005-01-31, Titan1969 <[email hidden]> wrote:
> > npne is right. I do 30-40minutes of cardio a day keeping my HR at 130.
>
> A very unproductive practise. Without training much harder than

this, most

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> people will never develop the aerobic capacity to burn a

substantial amount

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> of calories.
>
> > Generally if you go faster than that on an empty stomach your body
> > cannot burn fat fast enough and will start using muscle for fuel. Diet
>
> Hogwash.
>
> > is the key...no amount of speed, temp, distance will bunr enough
> > calories to make up for eating a lot of junk food.
>
> Hogwash again. The 70 miles a week running that I do is good enough

to burn

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> quite a lot of junk food.

Reminds me of my refeed after long runs.

Every Saturday am was long run day and I was working up to marathon
distance. (FWIW I wouldn't train like this again if I were to do another
marathon - I'd do far more pace work and LSD mebbe every second week.)

Is hallucinating a good training technique?

Must be that visualization thing I've heard so much about.

I can see myself...

Floating in the sky with diamonds. And Lucy.

--
Keith

David Cohen said:

"Proton Soup" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Quoted message said:

Weight lifting has nothing to do with burning fat. To burn fat, you

Wow, a top-posting moron posting from Google. Whodathunkit?

Google...today's AOL.

Hey, I resemble that remark! Well, not the AOL part. I could never
.... But Google Groups is pretty usable these days. I know we've had
threads on this so no need to go on.

Anyway, doesn't this guy have to keep defending his opinion to be IOM?
npne doesn't seem to be trying to keep up with all the interested
commentary that his incites seem to have generated. He needs to be
sucked back in somehow.

- bc

bc said:

David Cohen said:

"Proton Soup" <[email hidden]> wrote

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[email hidden] wrote:

>Weight lifting has nothing to do with burning fat. To burn fat,

you

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wow, a top-posting moron posting from Google. Whodathunkit?

Google...today's AOL.

Hey, I resemble that remark! Well, not the AOL part. I could never
... But Google Groups is pretty usable these days. I know we've

had

Quoted message said:

threads on this so no need to go on.

Anyway, doesn't this guy have to keep defending his opinion to be

IOM?

Quoted message said:

npne doesn't seem to be trying to keep up with all the interested
commentary that his incites seem to have generated. He needs to be
sucked back in somehow.

Ooops, sorry npne, I meant fnucytdtqn... as the IOM candidate. [censored],
you'ld think I could at least keep a conversation straight by now.

- bc

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Weight lifting has nothing to do with burning fat. To burn fat, you

Wow, a top-posting moron posting from Google. Whodathunkit?

Is there any way to make Outlook Express default to bottom posting
behaviour?