Speed difference

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M"typical bunch of pedantic introverted tourists"H

Not sure where this is coming from. Did you mean to put in a smiley? The
only thing the members of MBTC are pedantic about is bikes and riding them,
and I can't think of anyone who rides in walk socks either ;-)

Cheers
Peter

kim said:

geoffs said:

Last week after I overtook a guy on a Trek OCLV with Dura-ace and some
flash wheels. He caught up to me at the next set of lights. I resisted
the temptation to ask him wether having a light weight bike helped:o)

the other factor is how new the bike is.

my old roady was less fun to ride, definitely slower.
my new roady is smoother, geared better and the rims are straight 😉
besidesw being lighter and faster!

but i wonder how much of that difference can be attributed to wear,
bent things and lack of lubrication?

cheers,

kim

New bikes always seem zippier and faster.
Then you add a water bottle or two, toolkit, spare tube, reflector,
headlight and pump and they dont't seem as fun anymore.
Take all that stuff off you're old bike and it'll be fun and fast like
it used to be. Also, fix all those worn parts and you'll never know that
you're on your "old" bike.

Oscar

geoffs said:

Who was it that said "It's not about the bike?". save some money and take the hills and intervals advice.
Light bikes do feel nice going up hills. If you had 7% body fat or less, and you were trying to get your average speed from 35 to 38kms/hr then you will notice the difference. Being a flyweight means that the bike is proportionally heavier to your body mass.
I weigh 95kg and the tandem weighs 20kg. If I only weighed 75kg I would notice the weight of the bike a lot more.

After dropping off the tandems rear engine at her place of work, I ride it home solo.
Last week after I overtook a guy on a Trek OCLV with Dura-ace and some flash wheels. He caught up to me at the next set of lights. I resisted the temptation to ask him wether having a light weight bike helped:o)

Cheers

ahhh yes... but he may just ridden 300 kms... or he might be doing an easy/recovery ride.... 🙂 we are not all super-fit like tandem riders 😉

im going to do my first tandem ride soon, with the wife on the back, however I dont think there will be much input from the engine at the back.

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"mfhor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

M"typical bunch of pedantic introverted tourists"H

Not sure where this is coming from. Did you mean to put in a smiley? The
only thing the members of MBTC are pedantic about is bikes and riding them,
and I can't think of anyone who rides in walk socks either ;-)

Cheers
Peter

What's a walk sock?

aeek said:

Brad said:

Hi
can someody tell me how much quicker I could cycle if I upgraded my
bike
from a hybride Giant Cypress to a middle of the road, road bike eg
Giant TCR
3.

TCR3?, Giant hasn't made one in the past 5 years (if ever) and biketech
has advanced in 5 years.
OCR3, a great entry level road bike.
TCRs are twitchier bikes requiring more concentration to ride.

yeah.. they are.

aeek said:

Dave said:

aeek said:

OCR3, a great entry level road bike.
TCRs are twitchier bikes requiring more concentration to ride.

yeah.. they are.

and there's a definite price/equipment overlap between an OCR zero and
the TCR alloys.

aeek=biased OCR0 owner.

My evil ex aparently has an OCR0

I am pretty sure she paid more for it than I did for my TCR1 ultegra

quote='Dave'aeek said:

OCR3, a great entry level road bike.
TCRs are twitchier bikes requiring more concentration to ride.

yeah.. they are.[/QUOTE]

and there's a definite price/equipment overlap between an OCR zero and the TCR alloys.

aeek=biased OCR0 owner.

Peter Signorini said:

"mfhor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

M"typical bunch of pedantic introverted tourists"H

Not sure where this is coming from. Did you mean to put in a smiley? The
only thing the members of MBTC are pedantic about is bikes and riding them,
and I can't think of anyone who rides in walk socks either ;-)

Cheers
Peter

No, I meant that ALL touring clubs tend towards this, especially the fully loaded, canvas pannier bunch. But then, it's been a few years since I belonged to one, and bike rogaine and such seems to be on the menu now, so I'd better do a few mental revisions . . .

FWIW, some of the most boring conversations I've ever had about/whilst cycling have been with people wearing woolly jerseys with an (x)BTC roundel sewn on one of the pockets. "It's not about the bike" - you reckon? Just how many gears did you say you had? Suntour? You made it COMPATIBLE, ahhh. Uh-huh. THIS is what carbon fibre is for (accelerates up hill and disappears into the quiet distance of a bush road, whilst the mandatorily Reynolds-framed tourer with multiple mirrors and mudguards lags some way behind).

M "'wonk' was a word invented to describe laden bike tourists" H

mfhor said:

FWIW, some of the most boring conversations I've ever had about/whilst
cycling have been with people wearing woolly jerseys with an (x)BTC
roundel sewn on one of the pockets. "It's not about the bike" - you
reckon? Just how many gears did you say you had? Suntour? You made it
COMPATIBLE, ahhh. Uh-huh. THIS is what carbon fibre is for (accelerates
up hill and disappears into the quiet distance of a bush road, whilst
the mandatorily Reynolds-framed tourer with multiple mirrors and
mudguards lags some way behind).

M "'wonk' was a word invented to describe laden bike tourists" H

I have all this to look forward to?! Hold me back!!! 😉

hippy
- dorky enough without the bike touring

mfhor said:

Just how many gears did you say you had? Suntour? You made it
COMPATIBLE, ahhh. Uh-huh.

Hey, don't dis Suntour! My old Suntour Superbe-Pro hubs are some of the finest I own - almost on a par with the Airlites. Sure, they're for screw-on freewheels, but the axles are miles stronger than my old Campy ones (which broke all the time).

Regards,

Suzy (who's main gripe with Shimano is that they killed off Suntour)

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Peter Signorini said:

"mfhor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

No, I meant that ALL touring clubs tend towards this, especially the
fully loaded, canvas pannier bunch.

That's my sort of touring.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, some of the most boring conversations I've ever had about/whilst
cycling have been with people wearing woolly jerseys with an (x)BTC
roundel sewn on one of the pockets.

We do have the MBTC sportswool top, with badge, very comfy. But I don't wear
it that often; polarfleece, Ground Effect and other newer clothes are well
regarded in our club.

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reckon? Just how many gears did you say you had? Suntour?

Well no-one uses SunTour now as the big S has pushed them over. Still don't
much like Shimano's ideas on chains and joining pins. But back in the early
80s, if you toured, SunTour were far superior to most other derailleurs.

You made it

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COMPATIBLE, ahhh. Uh-huh. THIS is what carbon fibre is for

CF don't work to well with touring racks to carry loads. And touring does
include multi-day tours, not all of which will be 'credit card touring' on
svelte tarmac roads, in Australia at least.

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the mandatorily Reynolds-framed tourer with multiple mirrors and
mudguards lags some way behind).

Not mandatory at all - the only Reynolds frame I own is my old racing bike.
Like many in MBTC, I tour on a converted rigid MTB. Pannier racks, mudguards
yes. Only one bar-end mirror, but it is invaluable in traffic. As for
lagging behind, put 25 kgs on your CF 'lightweight' (is it a pure roadie?)
and it won't be that much lighter than my MTB with 25 kgs. Body weight is
probably more of a factor.

Getting back on thread - ride the bike, get fit, ride faster. Whether it's
an old MTB, city hybrid or slick Giant OCR the same principle applies.

Cheers
Peter

mfhor said:

did you say you had? Suntour? You made it COMPATIBLE, ahhh. Uh-huh. THIS is what carbon fibre is for (accelerates up hill and disappears into the quiet distance of a bush road, whilst the mandatorily Reynolds-framed tourer with multiple mirrors and mudguards lags some way behind).

Reynolds-framed - check; 2 mirrors, is that enough?
Tried mudgards but they contact the tires, not the frame 🙁
Gearing is XT/Sora ???/Tiaga/???/Suntour Ultegra
Now with carbon fibre. The original seatpost broke the ex-OCR vitesse.
Typical?

MikeyOz said:

ahhh yes... but he may just ridden 300 kms... or he might be doing an easy/recovery ride.... 🙂 we are not all super-fit like tandem riders 😉

im going to do my first tandem ride soon, with the wife on the back, however I dont think there will be much input from the engine at the back.

Not as fit or as light as I'd like to be.
Good luck on your upcoming tandem ride. A good information resource is The Tandem Link and some advice for new riders ishere It took years before Marian started to really carry her weight. I never worried about it and was grateful for what she did , which she thought was alot :o)
Until the day when I suggested she try wearing a heartrate monitor. "It mustn't be working properly! It wont read over 105!" I tied it on and it was reading round the 150-160 mark. Mmmmm She tried it agian and that damn meter just wouldn't read above 105. Then I unclipped my feet so she was providing all the power and lo and behold the HR went up. That was years ago and now the tandem is slower when she isn't on it.
We have just placed an order for a new Co-motion Mocha co-pilot so the tandem bug is still going strong.
It's said that a tandem will take your relationship which ever way it is going, faster. We ride with several couples in their 50 and 60's that are still going strong.
Tandem rant mode off

Cheers

Geoff

"Brad" wrote

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can someody tell me how much quicker I could cycle if I upgraded my bike
from a hybride Giant Cypress to a middle of the road, road bike eg Giant
TCR 3.
I currently only travel at about 23km/h on my rides and looking at the
speeds on some of the rides around Brisbane I need to: a) buy a bike that
will help me get to those 32km/h ave speeds ,b) need to pull my finger out
more or c) go back to running for fittness even though I really enjoy my
rides.
I don't want to be a hero just someone who can ride with the pack.
Would just like an approximate difference just to see where I'm at.

The first thing you should be looking at is increasing your training. A
better bike isn't going to do much if your current average is around 23km/h.
Once you start to average around 30km/h then a lighter bike will help a bit,
maybe add a couple of km/h, plus it will be more fun to ride.
The other side of the coin is that if you shell out enough dosh for a new
bike, and the bike is more fun to ride then you may be more motivated to
ride more often and so your speed will improve because you will be training
more.
Then of course when the bug has really bitten, and you are starting to be
able to maintain speeds in the 35 - 40km/h range (not average over the whole
ride, but maintain for 15 minutes or more) then you go out and spend lots
more on some lightweight carbon fibre or titanium beastie!
Just my 2c

bjay

Peter Signorini said:

"mfhor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Peter Signorini said:

"mfhor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

No, I meant that ALL touring clubs tend towards this, especially the
fully loaded, canvas pannier bunch.

That's my sort of touring.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, some of the most boring conversations I've ever had about/whilst
cycling have been with people wearing woolly jerseys with an (x)BTC
roundel sewn on one of the pockets.

We do have the MBTC sportswool top, with badge, very comfy. But I don't wear
it that often; polarfleece, Ground Effect and other newer clothes are well
regarded in our club.

Quoted message said:

reckon? Just how many gears did you say you had? Suntour?

Well no-one uses SunTour now as the big S has pushed them over. Still don't
much like Shimano's ideas on chains and joining pins. But back in the early
80s, if you toured, SunTour were far superior to most other derailleurs.

You made it

Quoted message said:

COMPATIBLE, ahhh. Uh-huh. THIS is what carbon fibre is for

CF don't work to well with touring racks to carry loads. And touring does
include multi-day tours, not all of which will be 'credit card touring' on
svelte tarmac roads, in Australia at least.

Quoted message said:

the mandatorily Reynolds-framed tourer with multiple mirrors and
mudguards lags some way behind).

Not mandatory at all - the only Reynolds frame I own is my old racing bike.
Like many in MBTC, I tour on a converted rigid MTB. Pannier racks, mudguards
yes. Only one bar-end mirror, but it is invaluable in traffic. As for
lagging behind, put 25 kgs on your CF 'lightweight' (is it a pure roadie?)
and it won't be that much lighter than my MTB with 25 kgs. Body weight is
probably more of a factor.

Getting back on thread - ride the bike, get fit, ride faster. Whether it's
an old MTB, city hybrid or slick Giant OCR the same principle applies.

Cheers
Peter

I think I just proved my point . . . Peter, chill, man. You have a barrow to push. Don't push it so hard. I used to go rides with MBTC 10 years ago, and it bored me out of my skull: ambling from winery to winery, doing 30 km loops, getting trains to Kyneton . . . then I started racing, and had a whole lot better (and tougher) time. I even saw the scenery sometimes.

M "jaded" H

quote='suzyj'mfhor said:

Just how many gears did you say you had? Suntour? You made it
COMPATIBLE, ahhh. Uh-huh.

Hey, don't dis Suntour! My old Suntour Superbe-Pro hubs are some of the finest I own - almost on a par with the Airlites. Sure, they're for screw-on freewheels, but the axles are miles stronger than my old Campy ones (which broke all the time).

Regards,

Suzy (who's main gripe with Shimano is that they killed off Suntour)[/QUOTE]

No, I shouldn't. I've got a priceless old Suntour parts diagram folder which I keep punched paper bike miscellania in - how's that for retro cred? But the Mountech 3-wheel derailleur tacked to the shed wall gets some odd looks . . .

My first serious roadie groupset was Suntour SL: I thought it was the dog's bollocks, as I was only early 20s at the time: one under Superbe Pro. Made my Reynolds 531 Raleigh look like a real road bike. That was when you got a FULL groupset for your dollars: seatpost, headset, pedals, stem. 7 speed schmicko.

M "Omigod, X-Press engineer! You killed Suntour! You [censored]!" H

ride more often and so your speed will improve because you will be training
more.
Then of course when the bug has really bitten, and you are starting to be
able to maintain speeds in the 35 - 40km/h range (not average over the whole
ride, but maintain for 15 minutes or more) then you go out and spend lots
more on some lightweight carbon fibre or titanium beastie!
Just my 2c

bjay[/QUOTE]

oh no....is this lethal,infectious? will this cure it? shopping therapy where does it end? 🙄

Meeba said:

oh no....is this lethal,infectious? will this cure it? shopping therapy where does it end? 🙄

and then you get to get up at 5am in the middle of winter so you can use your latest stuff on a workday bunch ride.

"aeek" wrote

Quoted message said:

Meeba said:

oh no....is this lethal,infectious? will this cure it? shopping
therapy where does it end? 🙄

and then you get to get up at 5am in the middle of winter so you can
use your latest stuff on a workday bunch ride.

That's it, you guys have got the idea. The next step is that your life
revolves around riding your bike. ;-)

bjay

mfhor said:

M "Omigod, X-Press engineer! You killed Suntour! You [censored]!"

For those of us who like to reminisce, and for those who didn't
know, here's the SunTour story link again:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~hadland/page35.htm

John