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  1. Hi everyone,

    Just starting induction.

    I am cooking for 5 children (ages 1, 11, 12, 13, & 15) and myself (hubby
    left for Iraq last month). I took some pictures to send him and competely
    freaked with how big I look. I flux daily between 148-151# and am 5'6", 34
    yrs old.

    I want to look and feel better (tired all the time now.. but that could be
    the kids too:-) I just starting using my treadmill again, and will do 2-4
    miles a day on that (love to run... just can't easily with baby unless its
    on the treadmill)

    My first question is that I need induction recipes that are easy,
    inexpensive, and child friendly. I do not mind making them extra things
    etc.

    I like using the crockpot, and with sports etc. also need some QUICK AND
    EASY recipes so that we don't head for subway or McD's.

    Next question, I am going out to eat with a bunch of the other wives on Sat.
    and need to know what I can order - we are going to a Ruby
    Tuesday/TGIFridays type place.

    Please let me know if you have suggestions!

    Thanks!
    LilGeekGirl
    150/150/125

  2. http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/15-464579.html
    is a great place to start.................
    if you believe you need to add a starch to what the kids eat, do
    so..................just don't eat it yourself.

    --
    rosie

    "LilGeekGirl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    : Hi everyone,
    :
    : Just starting induction.
    :
    : I am cooking for 5 children (ages 1, 11, 12, 13, & 15) and myself
    (hubby
    : left for Iraq last month). I took some pictures to send him and
    competely
    : freaked with how big I look. I flux daily between 148-151# and am
    5'6", 34
    : yrs old.
    :
    : I want to look and feel better (tired all the time now.. but that
    could be
    : the kids too:-) I just starting using my treadmill again, and
    will do 2-4
    : miles a day on that (love to run... just can't easily with baby
    unless its
    : on the treadmill)
    :
    : My first question is that I need induction recipes that are easy,
    : inexpensive, and child friendly. I do not mind making them extra
    things
    : etc.
    :
    : I like using the crockpot, and with sports etc. also need some
    QUICK AND
    : EASY recipes so that we don't head for subway or McD's.
    :
    : Next question, I am going out to eat with a bunch of the other
    wives on Sat.
    : and need to know what I can order - we are going to a Ruby
    : Tuesday/TGIFridays type place.
    :
    : Please let me know if you have suggestions!
    :
    : Thanks!
    : LilGeekGirl
    : 150/150/125
    :
    :

  3. Thanks for the advice...

    However, I do know that I am about 20 lb overweight. When I put on extra
    weight, I always feel tired, edgy, etc.
    I also know that I just don't look good to myself, so part might be a little
    bit of depression from feeling heavy.

    In the past I have always been able to lose what I want to lose by simply
    running but this seems to be getting harder to do. Also, running is much
    more difficult when I am feeling heavier. Therefore, I wanted to
    "kickstart" my weight loss so I can run easier etc.

    My measurements right now are WAY too big for me normally.

    chest: 39"
    waist: 34.5"
    hips: 37"

    So time for a change!

    Thanks!

    "Ignoramus12588" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    LilGeekGirl said:

    Hi everyone,

    Just starting induction.

    I am cooking for 5 children (ages 1, 11, 12, 13, & 15) and myself (hubby
    left for Iraq last month). I took some pictures to send him and
    competely
    freaked with how big I look. I flux daily between 148-151# and am 5'6",
    34
    yrs old.

    Which makes you at BMI 24, according to

    http://www.algebra.com/calculators/health/Weight_Related/bmi.mpl#bmi_us

    Quoted message said:

    I want to look and feel better (tired all the time now.. but that
    could be the kids too:-) I just starting using my treadmill again,
    and will do 2-4 miles a day on that (love to run... just can't
    easily with baby unless its on the treadmill)

    You know, I am not sure why you feel tired all the time (with 5 kids
    and the spouse in Iraq, I would feel tired too!), but I highly doubt
    that your weight is the culprit.

    Quoted message said:

    My first question is that I need induction recipes that are easy,
    inexpensive, and child friendly. I do not mind making them extra
    things etc.

    Cheap meat of all kinds can be cooked in a crockpot or an oven easily.
    Eggs are also pretty cheap.

    Quoted message said:

    I like using the crockpot, and with sports etc. also need some QUICK AND
    EASY recipes so that we don't head for subway or McD's.

    Next question, I am going out to eat with a bunch of the other wives on
    Sat.
    and need to know what I can order - we are going to a Ruby
    Tuesday/TGIFridays type place.

    I am quite unconvinced that drastic measures such as "induction", etc,
    are really appropriate at your normal weight. You may be rocking the
    boat that is not worth rocking, going onto a lifetime of diets whereas
    all that you need, likely, is to eat slightly less. You'd probably do
    very well if you skip all desserts from now on, lost 5-10 lbs, and
    stay at this weight.

    --
    223/173.0/180

  4. LilGeekGirl said:

    In the past I have always been able to lose what I want to lose by simply
    running but this seems to be getting harder to do. Also, running is much
    more difficult when I am feeling heavier. Therefore, I wanted to
    "kickstart" my weight loss so I can run easier etc.

    My measurements right now are WAY too big for me normally.

    chest: 39"
    waist: 34.5"
    hips: 37"

    i think you'd be better off doing some weight training rather than
    trying to kickstart weight loss.

    kickstart your metabolism instead.

  5. The Queen of Cans and Jars Feb 11, 7:50 am

    LilGeekGirl said:

    In the past I have always been able to lose what I want to lose by


    simply

    Quoted message said:

    running but this seems to be getting harder to do. Also, running is


    much

    Quoted message said:

    more difficult when I am feeling heavier. Therefore, I wanted to
    "kickstart" my weight loss so I can run easier etc.

    Quoted message said:

    My measurements right now are WAY too big for me normally.

    Quoted message said:

    chest: 39"
    waist: 34.5"
    hips: 37"

    i think you'd be better off doing some weight training rather than
    trying to kickstart weight loss.

    kickstart your metabolism instead.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I hope this is quoting right, this is the first time I have tried to
    post through google.

    Anyway, I think with those measurements, you might want to think about
    eating a lower carb diet long term, not just for weight loss because it
    sounds as if you are carrying a lot of weight in your abdominal area
    which is unhealthy.

    As for cheap & easy induction foods, here are a few ideas:

    1. Pot Roast in the crockpot, make it as usual, but just don't eat the
    potatoes or leave them out and serve a starch on the side if the kids
    like it.

    2. Meatloaf -- instead of bread crumbs grind up veggies and mushrooms
    in the food processor and use them as binder since it is mainly the egg
    that makes it stick together.

    3. Tacos & burritos -- tortillas for the kids and lettuce leaves for
    you.

    4. Most kids love sketti & meatballs -- theirs on noodles, yours on
    green beans or broccoli.

    4. Do your kids like salad? I worked a lot when my son was little and
    his favorite take out was when I would let him make his own salad at
    the grocery store salad bar. Bagged salad is a huge timesaver and it
    can be the base for a lot of quick healthy meals. I buy the big tubs of
    mixed greens from costco and a plate of salad topped with meat or
    hardboiled eggs and oil is fiber, fat and protein all in one quick,
    easy and yummy meal.

    As for eating out -- some variation of the basic grilled meat or fish,
    salad & steamed veggies can be found almost anywhere.

    Remember, a healthy low-carb diet is really pretty simple -- avoid
    starches and replace empty calories from refined sugars and grains with
    veggies.

    Robyn

  6. Did everyone think that I was just planning on doing induction and that's
    it???!!!

    I just understood all the comments. OF COURSE i am changing to a low carb
    overall menu plan... just have to figure out what to make for the induction
    period with all these kids eating too!!!

    I have 3 cookbooks for making GREAT meals after this period. Just can't
    figure out a menu plan for the first 2-3 weeks.

    man.. judged guilty w/o any prior knowledge.
    -lilgeekgirl

    "Robyn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The Queen of Cans and Jars Feb 11, 7:50 am

    LilGeekGirl said:

    In the past I have always been able to lose what I want to lose by


    simply

    Quoted message said:

    running but this seems to be getting harder to do. Also, running is


    much

    Quoted message said:

    more difficult when I am feeling heavier. Therefore, I wanted to
    "kickstart" my weight loss so I can run easier etc.

    Quoted message said:

    My measurements right now are WAY too big for me normally.

    Quoted message said:

    chest: 39"
    waist: 34.5"
    hips: 37"

    i think you'd be better off doing some weight training rather than
    trying to kickstart weight loss.

    kickstart your metabolism instead.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I hope this is quoting right, this is the first time I have tried to
    post through google.

    Anyway, I think with those measurements, you might want to think about
    eating a lower carb diet long term, not just for weight loss because it
    sounds as if you are carrying a lot of weight in your abdominal area
    which is unhealthy.

    As for cheap & easy induction foods, here are a few ideas:

    1. Pot Roast in the crockpot, make it as usual, but just don't eat the
    potatoes or leave them out and serve a starch on the side if the kids
    like it.

    2. Meatloaf -- instead of bread crumbs grind up veggies and mushrooms
    in the food processor and use them as binder since it is mainly the egg
    that makes it stick together.

    3. Tacos & burritos -- tortillas for the kids and lettuce leaves for
    you.

    4. Most kids love sketti & meatballs -- theirs on noodles, yours on
    green beans or broccoli.

    4. Do your kids like salad? I worked a lot when my son was little and
    his favorite take out was when I would let him make his own salad at
    the grocery store salad bar. Bagged salad is a huge timesaver and it
    can be the base for a lot of quick healthy meals. I buy the big tubs of
    mixed greens from costco and a plate of salad topped with meat or
    hardboiled eggs and oil is fiber, fat and protein all in one quick,
    easy and yummy meal.

    As for eating out -- some variation of the basic grilled meat or fish,
    salad & steamed veggies can be found almost anywhere.

    Remember, a healthy low-carb diet is really pretty simple -- avoid
    starches and replace empty calories from refined sugars and grains with
    veggies.

    Robyn

  7. LilGeekGirl said:

    Did everyone think that I was just planning on doing induction and
    that's it???!!!

    I just understood all the comments. OF COURSE i am changing to a low
    carb overall menu plan... just have to figure out what to make for
    the induction period with all these kids eating too!!!

    I have 3 cookbooks for making GREAT meals after this period. Just
    can't figure out a menu plan for the first 2-3 weeks.

    Since induction last only 2 weeks, think simply meals that consist of
    baked/broiled/grilled meat, chicken, fish, eggs, and simple veggies
    (brocolli, cauliflower, spinach, celery, lettuce, salad, etc). Add in the
    recommended amounts of hard cheese for some variety, if you wish. Try not
    to think in terms of recipes or meal plans, just eat simple, basic meals.
    the extra stuff you make - the carbier stuff - will do fine for the kids.
    basic for you, basic+carby stuff for kids.

  8. X-No-Archive: yes

    "LilGeekGirl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for the advice...

    However, I do know that I am about 20 lb overweight. When I put on extra
    weight, I always feel tired, edgy, etc.
    I also know that I just don't look good to myself, so part might be a


    little

    Quoted message said:

    bit of depression from feeling heavy.

    ## Aside from dieting take the kids out and WALK! Parks and Zoos come to
    mind. When my son was small we walked sometimes all day in Central Park or
    the Bronx Zoo. Kids give us excellent excuses to get out there and
    exercise. :-) You *MAY* lose a few pounds that way.

    Quoted message said:

    In the past I have always been able to lose what I want to lose by simply
    running but this seems to be getting harder to do.

    ## So it's said... I'm walking between 1.5 and 3 miles a day and losing
    very slowly - and that's on a 1200 calories a day diet.

    Also, running is much

    Quoted message said:

    more difficult when I am feeling heavier. Therefore, I wanted to
    "kickstart" my weight loss so I can run easier etc.

    My measurements right now are WAY too big for me normally.

    chest: 39"
    waist: 34.5"
    hips: 37"

    So time for a change!

    Thanks!

    ## It's a good idea to NIP the gain in the bud. You're doing the right
    thing.
    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 165 / 140 lb
    Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
    Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
    ==========================================

  9. "LilGeekGirl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Did everyone think that I was just planning on doing induction and that's
    it???!!!

    Low carb is a way of eating. It appears from your post that you wanted
    to "kick start" weightloss. Given that you are only 20lbs overweight, it was
    suggested you make a few lifestyle changes and you'll probably do fine. Is
    it your intention to do this for a lifetime? Or are you just wanting to take
    off 20lbs?

    Quoted message said:


    I just understood all the comments. OF COURSE i am changing to a low carb
    overall menu plan... just have to figure out what to make for the


    induction

    Quoted message said:

    period with all these kids eating too!!!

    Actually, Robyn gave some great ideas for altering regular meals to low
    carb for you. The point is to reduce all the high refined starches and
    sugars. The degree that you want to do this is up to you. If you're only
    wanting to lose 20lbs, you don't have to be so drastic.
    Either cook meals with your kids in mind, and you don't eat the starches.
    Or you cook for your self, and then add starches for the little guys. It's
    really that easy. Fancy recipes are not needed.

    Quoted message said:


    I have 3 cookbooks for making GREAT meals after this period. Just can't
    figure out a menu plan for the first 2-3 weeks.

    Think meat and vegetables. That is what you are allowed to eat on
    Induction, if that is what you want to do. You can also use Google to find
    recipes that have been posted before.

    Quoted message said:


    man.. judged guilty w/o any prior knowledge.
    -lilgeekgirl

    Please understand that there are a lot of people that are new to low carb
    that basically want as much info as possible, and want to lose 20lbs in less
    than a month. Many of us are eating this way everyday, even though we have
    already reached goal. It's a lifestyle of eating and exercise.
    Would you spend an hour of your time gathering recipes when you didn't
    know if the poster wanted to seriously do a diet the proper way?

    Tom
    210/180/180

    Quoted message said:

    "Robyn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The Queen of Cans and Jars Feb 11, 7:50 am

    LilGeekGirl said:

    In the past I have always been able to lose what I want to lose by


    simply

    Quoted message said:

    running but this seems to be getting harder to do. Also, running is


    much

    Quoted message said:

    more difficult when I am feeling heavier. Therefore, I wanted to
    "kickstart" my weight loss so I can run easier etc.

    Quoted message said:

    My measurements right now are WAY too big for me normally.

    Quoted message said:

    chest: 39"
    waist: 34.5"
    hips: 37"

    i think you'd be better off doing some weight training rather than
    trying to kickstart weight loss.

    kickstart your metabolism instead.

    ----------------------------------------------------------------------

    I hope this is quoting right, this is the first time I have tried to
    post through google.

    Anyway, I think with those measurements, you might want to think about
    eating a lower carb diet long term, not just for weight loss because it
    sounds as if you are carrying a lot of weight in your abdominal area
    which is unhealthy.

    As for cheap & easy induction foods, here are a few ideas:

    1. Pot Roast in the crockpot, make it as usual, but just don't eat the
    potatoes or leave them out and serve a starch on the side if the kids
    like it.

    2. Meatloaf -- instead of bread crumbs grind up veggies and mushrooms
    in the food processor and use them as binder since it is mainly the egg
    that makes it stick together.

    3. Tacos & burritos -- tortillas for the kids and lettuce leaves for
    you.

    4. Most kids love sketti & meatballs -- theirs on noodles, yours on
    green beans or broccoli.

    4. Do your kids like salad? I worked a lot when my son was little and
    his favorite take out was when I would let him make his own salad at
    the grocery store salad bar. Bagged salad is a huge timesaver and it
    can be the base for a lot of quick healthy meals. I buy the big tubs of
    mixed greens from costco and a plate of salad topped with meat or
    hardboiled eggs and oil is fiber, fat and protein all in one quick,
    easy and yummy meal.

    As for eating out -- some variation of the basic grilled meat or fish,
    salad & steamed veggies can be found almost anywhere.

    Remember, a healthy low-carb diet is really pretty simple -- avoid
    starches and replace empty calories from refined sugars and grains with
    veggies.

    Robyn

  10. LilGeekGirl said:

    man.. judged guilty w/o any prior knowledge.

    That is the way certain people in here are.

    They cannot help it....it is a *mental* thing. ;-)

    ****************************************************
    You, in the red uniform, go see what that noise is!
    ****************************************************

  11. "jaime" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    LilGeekGirl said:

    man.. judged guilty w/o any prior knowledge.

    That is the way certain people in here are.

    They cannot help it....it is a *mental* thing. ;-)

    The lady is looking for a few good recipes Jaime. Maybe you can take over
    from here. Since I didn't see any problems with the advice given, maybe some
    positive ideas from your experiences may be what she is looking for.

    Quoted message said:


    ****************************************************
    You, in the red uniform, go see what that noise is!
    ****************************************************

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,

    Hi LilGeekGirl, welcome to the group!

    Quoted message said:

    My first question is that I need induction recipes that are easy,
    inexpensive, and child friendly. I do not mind making them extra things
    etc.

    You can't go wrong with chicken or beef vegetable soup, especially in
    the winter. Add whatever acceptable vegetables you like. Even with a
    lot of vegetables in it, one cup of soup will usually only have 4-7
    carbs. With 5 kids to feed, cooking in bulk is a GREAT idea!

    --
    Saffire
    205/144/125 - 5'1.5"
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

  13. LilGeekGirl Feb 11, 10:43 am show options

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    Did everyone think that I was just planning on doing induction and
    that's
    it???!!!

    I just understood all the comments. OF COURSE i am changing to a low
    carb
    overall menu plan... just have to figure out what to make for the
    induction
    period with all these kids eating too!!!

    I have 3 cookbooks for making GREAT meals after this period. Just
    can't
    figure out a menu plan for the first 2-3 weeks.

    man.. judged guilty w/o any prior knowledge.
    -lilgeekgirl

    "Robyn" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    news:[email hidden]...

    - Hide quoted text -
    - Show quoted text -

    I am sorry, I was trying to be helpful but it didn't come out right🙁

    Robyn

  14. X-No-Archive: yes

    "LilGeekGirl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Did everyone think that I was just planning on doing induction and that's
    it???!!!

    I just understood all the comments. OF COURSE i am changing to a low carb
    overall menu plan... just have to figure out what to make for the


    induction

    Quoted message said:

    period with all these kids eating too!!!


    ==========================================
    Just cook as you normally do, but do NOT eat any of the carbo foods. Make a
    little extra meat per meal for yourself.

    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 165 / 140 lb
    Starting date LC 7/01 at 207lbs
    Stopped losing on LC 11/01 at 165lbs
    ==========================================
    [censored] - I forgot to get my official stamp of approval and sign the
    little document promising only to have thoughts that conform to the
    official ASDLC guidelines.
    I hate it when that happens. (credit Sophie)
    ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@ ~~<~~<~~{@

  15. Have you read the FAQ?

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "LilGeekGirl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,

    Just starting induction.

    I am cooking for 5 children (ages 1, 11, 12, 13, & 15) and myself (hubby
    left for Iraq last month). I took some pictures to send him and competely
    freaked with how big I look. I flux daily between 148-151# and am 5'6",
    34 yrs old.

    I want to look and feel better (tired all the time now.. but that could be
    the kids too:-) I just starting using my treadmill again, and will do 2-4
    miles a day on that (love to run... just can't easily with baby unless its
    on the treadmill)

    My first question is that I need induction recipes that are easy,
    inexpensive, and child friendly. I do not mind making them extra things
    etc.

    I like using the crockpot, and with sports etc. also need some QUICK AND
    EASY recipes so that we don't head for subway or McD's.

    Next question, I am going out to eat with a bunch of the other wives on
    Sat. and need to know what I can order - we are going to a Ruby
    Tuesday/TGIFridays type place.

    Please let me know if you have suggestions!

    Thanks!
    LilGeekGirl
    150/150/125

  16. 10% bodyfat.

    How about you, fatboy?

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Perdu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 21:08:54 GMT, "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]>
    Cried out loud... :

    Quoted message said:

    Why are you still fat? Have you read the FAQ?

    Oh. Good one. Why are you?

    I'm doing OK. 285/250/220 since 12/30/04. How are you doing? Aside from
    being a moron?
    Best Regards,

    Steve

    Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

  17. So you're still fat then...

    --
    Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

    "Perdu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:20:05 GMT, "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]>
    Cried out loud... :

    Quoted message said:

    10% bodyfat.

    JPEG. Print it and send it to your boyfriend.

    Quoted message said:


    How about you, fatboy?

    Much better than you butt pie. 100% charm.
    Best Regards,

    Steve

    Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

  18. I'm here because I follow a low carb diet, which helped me get to 10%
    bodyfat.

    Why are you here, fatboy?

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Perdu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 01:25:35 GMT, "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]>
    Cried out loud... :

    Quoted message said:

    So you're still fat then...

    No. I'm pleasant. You're fat. You'd not be here unless you were. Of
    course, you could be very very sick, as well. To be here if you're not on
    a
    diet. Which means, you're fat.

    So. Why are you fat?
    Best Regards,

    Steve

    Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

  19. "Ignoramus23430" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:49:19 GMT, JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I'm here because I follow a low carb diet, which helped me get to 10%
    bodyfat.

    I am curious, how hard is it to be at 10% bodyfat, for you. Do you
    experience any struggles, difficulties, cravings, hunger, do you need
    to exercise your willpower to hold on to your results, etc. I am
    at around 15% and feel that going any further would make my life
    majorly difficult, whereas, now, pretty much everything is on
    autopilot. I am curious if your experience is different in that
    respect.

    If you recall, I'm using the CKD. During the week while I'm working, I go
    low carb and fairly low calorie. This suits me because my mind is not on
    eating or hunger when I'm working. Friday night and Saturday is pretty much
    low fat and middling calories. Sunday is low carb and higher calories, for
    the most part.

    The short answer is that I'm not struggling too much. I feel that if I tried
    to go lower, it would be quite an effort.

  20. You seem rather upset and jealous.

    Try eating less.

    --
    Now [censored]. You cannot possibly be this stupid and remember to
    breathe. You must be trolling. -- Carmen

    "Perdu" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 02:49:19 GMT, "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]>
    Cried out loud... :

    Quoted message said:

    I'm here because I follow a low carb diet, which helped me get to 10%
    bodyfat.

    Why are you here, fatboy?

    Well, [censored], I'm here because it amuses me to mess with disturbed
    freaks like you.

    And since I also follow a low carb diet and doing well, thanks, I am
    losing the weight I feel I should. Because of this, I will be at a normal
    weight that I want to be when that time suppose to be. Soon it seems.

    And you - will forever remain you. No Diet for what you got. [censored].
    If that does not make one hurt, and mock the world around it, I don't know
    what does. Of course, you also feel like you're special by being an
    annoying freak. Dime a dozen on the Internet. So even that angle does not
    work for you.

    Now go play. You're failing your mission.

    Why are you a floater?
    Best Regards,

    Steve

    Tout est per·du fors l'hon·neur

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