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  1. Since April 2004 my wife has been recovering from a bedsore wound. A nurse
    advised her to use a liquid protein supplement such as "Ensure." My wife
    soon found Ensure undrinkable and switched to "Boost."

    From the label on the bottle, Boost appears to consist mainly of water,
    corn syrup, and oil, with casein added to supply the protein it promises.
    My wife finds Boost unpalatable too, and drinks half a serving at a time,
    much adulterated with milk and water.

    Can Boost really be effective? The list of ingredients suggests that it
    is little more than a McPseudo-milkshake. It is sold in heavy single-
    serving bottles and is expensive. Her doctor has told her to go on taking
    it--perhaps for the placebo effect. She eats a well-rounded diet, though
    she is fonder of eggs and cheese than is good for her cholesterol level.

    -:-
    "Hey! This shake's no good!"

    "Yeah! It's like cement!"

    "Well, that's the way it comes out of the machine."

    --Flaming Carrot Comics

    --
    Col. G. L. Sicherman
    [email hidden]

  2. I bought a can for a diabetic family member who was hospitalized
    and wanted a change to the hospital fare. After she threw up,
    I tried a bit of the stuff and almost threw up too. How anyone
    would be able to drink such a horrible brew, or how anyone can
    possibly manufacture such a repulsively sweet goo is beyond me.

    On top of it, it was supposed to be compatible for diabetics, and the
    first several ingredients (other than water) were various forms of sugar!
    After looking at the label of "Ensure" and similar generic clones, they
    all seem to have close to the same disgusting ingredients as "Boost."
    I'm convinced they feed that [censored] to the elderly to kill them off quicker.

    "The Hobgoblin of the Net" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since April 2004 my wife has been recovering from a bedsore wound. A


    nurse

    Quoted message said:

    advised her to use a liquid protein supplement such as "Ensure." My wife
    soon found Ensure undrinkable and switched to "Boost."

    From the label on the bottle, Boost appears to consist mainly of water,
    corn syrup, and oil, with casein added to supply the protein it promises.
    My wife finds Boost unpalatable too, and drinks half a serving at a time,
    much adulterated with milk and water.

    Can Boost really be effective? The list of ingredients suggests that it
    is little more than a McPseudo-milkshake. It is sold in heavy single-
    serving bottles and is expensive. Her doctor has told her to go on taking
    it--perhaps for the placebo effect. She eats a well-rounded diet, though
    she is fonder of eggs and cheese than is good for her cholesterol level.

    -:-
    "Hey! This shake's no good!"

    "Yeah! It's like cement!"

    "Well, that's the way it comes out of the machine."

    --Flaming Carrot Comics

    --
    Col. G. L. Sicherman
    [email hidden]

  3. Late in life, anorexia can be a problem due
    to medical problems, cancer, cancer TX, or
    other meds. Thus the products fill a niche.
    Could they be designed better, yes. And
    yes I muttered thoughts similar to
    yours under my breath, which
    you've just posted for "all" to see. :-)

    "Ken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I bought a can for a diabetic family member who was hospitalized
    and wanted a change to the hospital fare. After she threw up,
    I tried a bit of the stuff and almost threw up too. How anyone
    would be able to drink such a horrible brew, or how anyone can
    possibly manufacture such a repulsively sweet goo is beyond me.

    On top of it, it was supposed to be compatible for diabetics, and the
    first several ingredients (other than water) were various forms of sugar!
    After looking at the label of "Ensure" and similar generic clones, they
    all seem to have close to the same disgusting ingredients as "Boost."
    I'm convinced they feed that [censored] to the elderly to kill them off quicker.

    "The Hobgoblin of the Net" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since April 2004 my wife has been recovering from a bedsore wound. A


    nurse

    Quoted message said:

    advised her to use a liquid protein supplement such as "Ensure." My wife
    soon found Ensure undrinkable and switched to "Boost."

    From the label on the bottle, Boost appears to consist mainly of water,
    corn syrup, and oil, with casein added to supply the protein it


    promises.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My wife finds Boost unpalatable too, and drinks half a serving at a


    time,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    much adulterated with milk and water.

    Can Boost really be effective? The list of ingredients suggests that it
    is little more than a McPseudo-milkshake. It is sold in heavy single-
    serving bottles and is expensive. Her doctor has told her to go on


    taking

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it--perhaps for the placebo effect. She eats a well-rounded diet,


    though

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    she is fonder of eggs and cheese than is good for her cholesterol level.

    -:-
    "Hey! This shake's no good!"

    "Yeah! It's like cement!"

    "Well, that's the way it comes out of the machine."

    --Flaming Carrot Comics

    --
    Col. G. L. Sicherman
    [email hidden]

  4. "Ken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I bought a can for a diabetic family member who was hospitalized
    and wanted a change to the hospital fare. After she threw up,
    I tried a bit of the stuff and almost threw up too. How anyone
    would be able to drink such a horrible brew, or how anyone can
    possibly manufacture such a repulsively sweet goo is beyond me.

    On top of it, it was supposed to be compatible for diabetics, and the
    first several ingredients (other than water) were various forms of sugar!

    Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess except
    you. The product for diabetics is not called Ensure.
    Yes Ensure has sugar and it is intended for those who have trouble digesting
    normal food or unable to eat at all. It is a complete meal and is used in
    tube feeding. It is concentrated for that reason.

    Quoted message said:

    After looking at the label of "Ensure" and similar generic clones, they
    all seem to have close to the same disgusting ingredients as "Boost."
    I'm convinced they feed that [censored] to the elderly to kill them off quicker.

    If you get a stroke and are unable to swallow then what are you capatable
    of eating moron. Are you going to give them an apple?
    Get an education will you.

    Quoted message said:

    "The Hobgoblin of the Net" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since April 2004 my wife has been recovering from a bedsore wound. A


    nurse

    Quoted message said:

    advised her to use a liquid protein supplement such as "Ensure." My wife
    soon found Ensure undrinkable and switched to "Boost."

    From the label on the bottle, Boost appears to consist mainly of water,
    corn syrup, and oil, with casein added to supply the protein it


    promises.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My wife finds Boost unpalatable too, and drinks half a serving at a


    time,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    much adulterated with milk and water.

    Can Boost really be effective? The list of ingredients suggests that it
    is little more than a McPseudo-milkshake. It is sold in heavy single-
    serving bottles and is expensive. Her doctor has told her to go on


    taking

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it--perhaps for the placebo effect. She eats a well-rounded diet,


    though

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    she is fonder of eggs and cheese than is good for her cholesterol level.

    -:-
    "Hey! This shake's no good!"

    "Yeah! It's like cement!"

    "Well, that's the way it comes out of the machine."

    --Flaming Carrot Comics

    --
    Col. G. L. Sicherman
    [email hidden]

  5. Hey insulting one! How come Ensure is sold as a drinkable supplement in the
    grocery stores?

    easy big boy.

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Ken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I bought a can for a diabetic family member who was hospitalized
    and wanted a change to the hospital fare. After she threw up,
    I tried a bit of the stuff and almost threw up too. How anyone
    would be able to drink such a horrible brew, or how anyone can
    possibly manufacture such a repulsively sweet goo is beyond me.

    On top of it, it was supposed to be compatible for diabetics, and the
    first several ingredients (other than water) were various forms of


    sugar!

    Quoted message said:


    Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess except
    you. The product for diabetics is not called Ensure.
    Yes Ensure has sugar and it is intended for those who have trouble


    digesting

    Quoted message said:

    normal food or unable to eat at all. It is a complete meal and is used in
    tube feeding. It is concentrated for that reason.

    Quoted message said:

    After looking at the label of "Ensure" and similar generic clones, they
    all seem to have close to the same disgusting ingredients as "Boost."
    I'm convinced they feed that [censored] to the elderly to kill them off


    quicker.

    Quoted message said:


    If you get a stroke and are unable to swallow then what are you capatable
    of eating moron. Are you going to give them an apple?
    Get an education will you.

    Quoted message said:

    "The Hobgoblin of the Net" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Since April 2004 my wife has been recovering from a bedsore wound. A


    nurse

    Quoted message said:

    advised her to use a liquid protein supplement such as "Ensure." My


    wife

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    soon found Ensure undrinkable and switched to "Boost."

    From the label on the bottle, Boost appears to consist mainly of


    water,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    corn syrup, and oil, with casein added to supply the protein it


    promises.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My wife finds Boost unpalatable too, and drinks half a serving at a


    time,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    much adulterated with milk and water.

    Can Boost really be effective? The list of ingredients suggests that


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    is little more than a McPseudo-milkshake. It is sold in heavy single-
    serving bottles and is expensive. Her doctor has told her to go on


    taking

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it--perhaps for the placebo effect. She eats a well-rounded diet,


    though

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    she is fonder of eggs and cheese than is good for her cholesterol


    level.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    -:-
    "Hey! This shake's no good!"

    "Yeah! It's like cement!"

    "Well, that's the way it comes out of the machine."

    --Flaming Carrot Comics

    --
    Col. G. L. Sicherman
    [email hidden]

  6. Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess
    except you. The product for diabetics is not called Ensure.

    I did not give "Ensure" to a diabetic, I gave her a can of
    "Boost" that was specifically labeled to be formulated for
    diabetics. Get it?

    Quoted message said:

    Yes Ensure has sugar and it is intended for those who have trouble


    digesting

    Quoted message said:

    normal food or unable to eat at all. It is a complete meal and is used in
    tube feeding. It is concentrated for that reason.

    If you get a stroke and are unable to swallow then what are you capatable
    of eating moron. Are you going to give them an apple?
    Get an education will you.

    I have actually dealt with people under those circumstances,
    thank you, but managed to formulate liquified meals that were
    both nutritious AND palatable.
    I'm well aware that these "products" are given to those who have
    difficulty eating or swallowing, but this was the first time that I
    actually looked at their ingredients, and it was my first TASTE of
    what you call a "complete meal used in tube feeding," and it is a
    disgrace to sick people to feed them this absolutely obnoxious
    concoction.
    You would think (not you, you don't know any better) - that a
    professionally formulated meal replacement would actually NOT
    consist of the exact same sugary junk that a more nutritionally
    enlightened society is trying to get away from, or that its taste
    wouldn't be so horrible as to make a billy goat puke.

    No wonder that those who have to be hospitalized for longer
    periods of time are in danger of dying from malnutrition or any
    other number of chronic diseases.

  7. "Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1108311335.c83b48cc046431f546538f9967e2437c@teranews...

    Quoted message said:

    Hey insulting one! How come Ensure is sold as a drinkable supplement in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    grocery stores?

    Because they assume people can read the label. It is a concentrated
    supplement for people having trouble eating regular food. Glucerna is the
    product for diabetics produced by the same company.
    It is sold for G tube feeding and people do not even taste the food. These
    are home feedings.
    As far as calling me the insulting one, I guess when somebody says that it
    kills people that isn't insulting?
    "I'm convinced they feed that [censored] to the elderly to kill them off
    quicker."

    "

    Quoted message said:


    easy big boy.

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Ken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I bought a can for a diabetic family member who was hospitalized
    and wanted a change to the hospital fare. After she threw up,
    I tried a bit of the stuff and almost threw up too. How anyone
    would be able to drink such a horrible brew, or how anyone can
    possibly manufacture such a repulsively sweet goo is beyond me.

    On top of it, it was supposed to be compatible for diabetics, and the
    first several ingredients (other than water) were various forms of


    sugar!

    Quoted message said:


    Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess


    except

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    you. The product for diabetics is not called Ensure.
    Yes Ensure has sugar and it is intended for those who have trouble


    digesting

    Quoted message said:

    normal food or unable to eat at all. It is a complete meal and is used


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tube feeding. It is concentrated for that reason.

    Quoted message said:

    After looking at the label of "Ensure" and similar generic clones,


    they

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    all seem to have close to the same disgusting ingredients as "Boost."
    I'm convinced they feed that [censored] to the elderly to kill them off


    quicker.

    Quoted message said:


    If you get a stroke and are unable to swallow then what are you


    capatable

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of eating moron. Are you going to give them an apple?
    Get an education will you.

    Quoted message said:

    "The Hobgoblin of the Net" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...
    > Since April 2004 my wife has been recovering from a bedsore wound.


    A

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    nurse
    > advised her to use a liquid protein supplement such as "Ensure." My


    wife

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > soon found Ensure undrinkable and switched to "Boost."
    >
    > From the label on the bottle, Boost appears to consist mainly of


    water,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > corn syrup, and oil, with casein added to supply the protein it


    promises.

    Quoted message said:

    > My wife finds Boost unpalatable too, and drinks half a serving at a


    time,

    Quoted message said:

    > much adulterated with milk and water.
    >
    > Can Boost really be effective? The list of ingredients suggests


    that

    Quoted message said:

    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > is little more than a McPseudo-milkshake. It is sold in heavy


    single-

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > serving bottles and is expensive. Her doctor has told her to go on


    taking

    Quoted message said:

    > it--perhaps for the placebo effect. She eats a well-rounded diet,


    though

    Quoted message said:

    > she is fonder of eggs and cheese than is good for her cholesterol


    level.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >
    > -:-
    > "Hey! This shake's no good!"
    >
    > "Yeah! It's like cement!"
    >
    > "Well, that's the way it comes out of the machine."
    >
    > --Flaming Carrot Comics
    >
    > --
    > Col. G. L. Sicherman
    > [email hidden]

  8. "Ken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess
    except you. The product for diabetics is not called Ensure.

    I did not give "Ensure" to a diabetic, I gave her a can of
    "Boost" that was specifically labeled to be formulated for
    diabetics. Get it?


    I am not familiar with Boost and it is not commonly recommended by medical
    professionals.
    You threw in the reference to Ensure by stating that they are all the same.
    I suggest you learn how to read labels.
    There are manny people being kept alive through G tube feeding contrary to
    your idiotic posting.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Yes Ensure has sugar and it is intended for those who have trouble


    digesting

    Quoted message said:

    normal food or unable to eat at all. It is a complete meal and is used


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tube feeding. It is concentrated for that reason.

    If you get a stroke and are unable to swallow then what are you


    capatable

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of eating moron. Are you going to give them an apple?
    Get an education will you.

    I have actually dealt with people under those circumstances,
    thank you, but managed to formulate liquified meals that were
    both nutritious AND palatable.
    I'm well aware that these "products" are given to those who have
    difficulty eating or swallowing, but this was the first time that I
    actually looked at their ingredients, and it was my first TASTE of
    what you call a "complete meal used in tube feeding," and it is a
    disgrace to sick people to feed them this absolutely obnoxious
    concoction.
    You would think (not you, you don't know any better) - that a
    professionally formulated meal replacement would actually NOT
    consist of the exact same sugary junk that a more nutritionally
    enlightened society is trying to get away from, or that its taste
    wouldn't be so horrible as to make a billy goat puke.

    No wonder that those who have to be hospitalized for longer
    periods of time are in danger of dying from malnutrition or any
    other number of chronic diseases.

  9. Ken said:

    I have actually dealt with people under those circumstances,
    thank you, but managed to formulate liquified meals that were
    both nutritious AND palatable.

    Sounds like a nice example that advertisiers has almost a free market
    to sell snake oil, because consumers are not well informed about what
    it contain, what it do and in this case, how it tastes.

    If people only buy one bucket once in their lifetime, being 5 billion
    potential one-time purchasers, they still would do it great.

    Understand why Codex alimentarius are needed?? (Probably not because
    most people discuss with emotional background, not realistic
    background putting things together.)

  10. On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:44:51 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I suggest you learn how to read labels.

    Most people read the labels afterwards, when realizing they have eaten
    something lethal, and are dying:-)

  11. "Ken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    Anybody would know better than to give Ensure to a diabetic I guess
    except you. The product for diabetics is not called Ensure.

    I did not give "Ensure" to a diabetic, I gave her a can of
    "Boost" that was specifically labeled to be formulated for
    diabetics. Get it?

    Quoted message said:

    Yes Ensure has sugar and it is intended for those who have trouble


    digesting

    Quoted message said:

    normal food or unable to eat at all. It is a complete meal and is used


    in

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    tube feeding. It is concentrated for that reason.

    If you get a stroke and are unable to swallow then what are you


    capatable

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of eating moron. Are you going to give them an apple?
    Get an education will you.

    I have actually dealt with people under those circumstances,
    thank you, but managed to formulate liquified meals that were
    both nutritious AND palatable.
    I'm well aware that these "products" are given to those who have
    difficulty eating or swallowing, but this was the first time that I
    actually looked at their ingredients, and it was my first TASTE of
    what you call a "complete meal used in tube feeding," and it is a
    disgrace to sick people to feed them this absolutely obnoxious
    concoction.

    Again you are a moron as in tube feeding the fluid is placed into a tube
    directly into the stomach. No taste is involved. It is a balanced meal of
    fats, protein, carbs, minerals and all vitamins.
    You have no idea of what you are talking about. It is the only way to keep
    somebody alive.
    You can not give enough volume of your home made liquified meals because
    they have trouble swallowing in those still taking food that way. IT IS NOT
    CONCENTRATED enough to do them any good.

    Quoted message said:

    You would think (not you, you don't know any better) - that a
    professionally formulated meal replacement would actually NOT
    consist of the exact same sugary junk that a more nutritionally
    enlightened society is trying to get away from, or that its taste
    wouldn't be so horrible as to make a billy goat puke.

    The main energy source of the cell is glucose. Learn some biochemistry and
    go to school. Nutritionally enlightened? People are starving to death moron
    which is why they need a high concentration of carbs etc. They can not eat a
    normal diet. You are lucky to get one teaspoon full of liquid by mouth and
    you want to dilute it to a gallon so it doesnt' taste too sweet. You are
    equating somebody who has type II diabetes because they eat like pigs and
    take high carb drinks to somebody who is starving.
    Get a clue.

    Quoted message said:


    No wonder that those who have to be hospitalized for longer
    periods of time are in danger of dying from malnutrition or any
    other number of chronic diseases.

    You never worked in a hospital moron so you have no idea. Try taking care of
    a sick person for a change.
    You are not talking simply of hospitalized patients but home based people.
    Go back and get your Phd in newsgroup [censored].

    Quoted message said:


  12. "Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Ken said:

    I have actually dealt with people under those circumstances,
    thank you, but managed to formulate liquified meals that were
    both nutritious AND palatable.

    Sounds like a nice example that advertisiers has almost a free market
    to sell snake oil, because consumers are not well informed about what
    it contain, what it do and in this case, how it tastes.


    Explain to me how one makes a tastful nutritious meal in a blender? Tell me
    about baby food. Are they all tastful?
    Is a bolus of fat IV tastful?
    My doctor told me that if it tasts good then it probably is bad for you. Put
    donuts in a blender and is it tastful? Does something tastful have all the
    fat, carbs, protein, vitamins and minerals needed for life or are you simply
    making concoctions that taste good?

    Quoted message said:


    If people only buy one bucket once in their lifetime, being 5 billion
    potential one-time purchasers, they still would do it great.

    It is a closed market for G tube feeders. Please name me all the hundreds of
    manufacturers that provide liguid food that can go through a small diameter
    tube. There are no homemade brews there.

    Quoted message said:


    Understand why Codex alimentarius are needed?? (Probably not because
    most people discuss with emotional background, not realistic
    background putting things together.)


    Explain to me what products Codex alimentarius can provide to patients with
    gastric entero tubes such as in Alzheimer's or ALS or MS or strokes?

  13. How do expect him to read the lables with that damn tube down his throat? He
    can't put his head down or the tube breaks.

    "Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:44:51 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I suggest you learn how to read labels.

    Most people read the labels afterwards, when realizing they have eaten
    something lethal, and are dying:-)

  14. That's for the funny things you two put in..
    That's about all contributions you are qualified to make.
    I especially enjoyed your silly idiotic remarks on lactose intolerance. This
    world would be a real solemn place without fools like you to laugh at.
    That's a compliment from me to you and you are welcome.

    "Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1108343980.9fbaacad278fd15bac59a7ff82919402@teranews...

    Quoted message said:

    How do expect him to read the lables with that damn tube down his throat?


    He

    Quoted message said:

    can't put his head down or the tube breaks.

    "Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:44:51 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    I suggest you learn how to read labels.

    Most people read the labels afterwards, when realizing they have eaten
    something lethal, and are dying:-)

  15. How long have you been waiting to say something like that?

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    That's for the funny things you two put in..
    That's about all contributions you are qualified to make.
    I especially enjoyed your silly idiotic remarks on lactose intolerance.


    This

    Quoted message said:

    world would be a real solemn place without fools like you to laugh at.
    That's a compliment from me to you and you are welcome.

    "Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:1108343980.9fbaacad278fd15bac59a7ff82919402@teranews...

    Quoted message said:

    How do expect him to read the lables with that damn tube down his


    throat?

    Quoted message said:

    He

    Quoted message said:

    can't put his head down or the tube breaks.

    "Alf Christophersen" <[email hidden]> wrote in


    message

    Quoted message said:
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    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 11:44:51 -0800, "Robert" <[email hidden]>
    wrote:

    >I suggest you learn how to read labels.

    Most people read the labels afterwards, when realizing they have eaten
    something lethal, and are dying:-)

  16. Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    Again you are a moron as in tube feeding the fluid is placed into
    a tube directly into the stomach. No taste is involved.

    Since it is sold in cans in regular stores, the intended way is
    to drink it, not forcing it into the stomach through a tube,
    unless that's the way YOU take it so you won't puke.

    You obviously are somehow connected with peddling these
    products or make a living with it, because no sane person
    would ever defend vile stuff like that so vigorously.

    Quoted message said:

    It is a balanced meal of
    fats, protein, carbs, minerals and all vitamins.

    So is a rotting cadaver, but it is still better suited
    to be consumed by vultures than by humans.

    Makes one wonder what kind of depraved mind would
    come up with such a sickening list of ingredients.
    And adding a few vitamins won't save the day either.

    Quoted message said:

    You have no idea of what you are talking about. It is the only
    way to keep somebody alive.

    Only if "alive" is synonymous with "vegetative state."

    If someone should survive, it's despite of it, not because of it.

    That stuff is a liquified version of what by any standards is
    considered the worst form of junk food, which would make most
    healthy people chronically sick if they consumed it long enough,
    and you are telling me that it is intended to make sick people
    healthy?

    Give me a break.......!

    Quoted message said:

    You never worked in a hospital moron so you have no idea.
    Try taking care of a sick person for a change.

    I have spent half of my life in medical research, and I'm
    no stranger to taking care of sick people. That's why I am
    appalled how so many other medical professionals blindly
    follow a protocol designed as window dressing that appears
    to keep the sick and elderly "alive" and "well-fed" in front of
    family members, while all along using horrendous formulations
    that even the fittest would have a difficult time to survive on.

  17. "Ken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    Again you are a moron as in tube feeding the fluid is placed into
    a tube directly into the stomach. No taste is involved.

    Since it is sold in cans in regular stores, the intended way is
    to drink it, not forcing it into the stomach through a tube,
    unless that's the way YOU take it so you won't puke.

    The intention is for you to eat real food. There is no need for people who
    are able to tolerate real food should eat it. What excuse can you give me
    otherwise?

    Quoted message said:


    You obviously are somehow connected with peddling these
    products or make a living with it, because no sane person
    would ever defend vile stuff like that so vigorously.


    I am a health care professional and that product is the only one compatible
    with liguid feeding devices. You can not grind food and expect it to go into
    any feeding tube.
    You want something that tastes good then try fried chicken. Try chicken
    soup. A product like this is not intended to compete with really tasty food.
    Tasty food is rarely nutritious for you.
    Are you familiar with the latest recommendations on not giving fruit juices
    to infants anymore?
    That's what you sound like is a baby crying for his juice.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    It is a balanced meal of
    fats, protein, carbs, minerals and all vitamins.

    So is a rotting cadaver, but it is still better suited
    to be consumed by vultures than by humans.


    You have no idea of what you are talking about. Your only interest seems to
    be tasteful food.

    Quoted message said:


    Makes one wonder what kind of depraved mind would
    come up with such a sickening list of ingredients.
    And adding a few vitamins won't save the day either.


    Again, it is a balanced food that keeps people alive and people like you
    don't really care about that as all you are interested in is taste.
    Come up with something better instead of [censored] about it.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    You have no idea of what you are talking about. It is the only
    way to keep somebody alive.

    Only if "alive" is synonymous with "vegetative state."


    That's a different question all together. I hope you don't have to
    experience your own babble.

    Quoted message said:


    If someone should survive, it's despite of it, not because of it.

    That stuff is a liquified version of what by any standards is
    considered the worst form of junk food, which would make most
    healthy people chronically sick if they consumed it long enough,
    and you are telling me that it is intended to make sick people
    healthy?


    It is not intended for healthy people moron. IT is not intended for normal
    healthy people. There is no reason why a healthy normal person should eat
    that. Understand?
    Take a class in nutrition OK.

    Quoted message said:


    Give me a break.......!

    Quoted message said:

    You never worked in a hospital moron so you have no idea.
    Try taking care of a sick person for a change.

    I have spent half of my life in medical research, and I'm
    no stranger to taking care of sick people. That's why I am
    appalled how so many other medical professionals blindly
    follow a protocol designed as window dressing that appears
    to keep the sick and elderly "alive" and "well-fed" in front of
    family members, while all along using horrendous formulations
    that even the fittest would have a difficult time to survive on.


    It is not intended for normal healthy people moron. Understand?
    It is not intended for normal healthy people. Why is that?
    Because normal people can eat normal food in any state or quantitiy that
    want.
    I am appalled at people like yourself who pretend to do research and remove
    themselves from taking care of patients.
    You have all these great ideas about how to do things but it comes up as a
    bunch of [censored] when one actually tries to practice it.
    What you or anyone else cares about keeping "alive" anyone is up to the
    person and his family and not [censored] like you who want and think they have
    a right to make decisions for everyone.
    Keep on [censored] as that is all you can come up with.
    Go drink some more juice that tastes good baby.

    Quoted message said:


  18. Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    I am a health care professional and that product is the only one


    compatible

    Quoted message said:

    with liguid feeding devices. You can not grind food and expect it to go


    into

    Quoted message said:

    any feeding tube.

    That has never been an issue. You keep straying off the subject and
    keep repeating the same off-topic nonsense.

    I have seen the elderly and sick given this junk over and over again
    as a form of meal replacement. However only recently I had a chance
    to not only taste it, but look at the label and familiarize myself with
    the ingredients.
    Yes, the taste is repugnant, but the more important issue here is
    that these products are pushed on the elderly and sick in the disguise
    of providing nutritious and life-sustaining support, while in reality they
    are nothing more than a donut in a can, and they only worsen many
    of the chronic illnesses the targeted population is suffering from.

    Quoted message said:

    Are you familiar with the latest recommendations on not giving
    fruit juices to infants anymore?
    That's what you sound like is a baby crying for his juice.

    I'm not only familiar with it, but I'm on record of having made
    these recommendations decades ago as part of my research on
    simple sugars and their effect on chronic diseases.

    Quoted message said:

    Again, it is a balanced food that keeps people alive and people like you
    don't really care about that as all you are interested in is taste.

    No, the issue is that IT IS possible to provide liquified meals that
    are both nutritious AND palatable, and these products in question
    provide the exact opposite.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Only if "alive" is synonymous with "vegetative state."

    That's a different question all together. I hope you don't have to
    experience your own babble.

    On the contrary, this is precisely the issue at hand.

    Quoted message said:

    It is not intended for healthy people moron. IT is not intended for normal
    healthy people. There is no reason why a healthy normal person should eat
    that. Understand?

    I understand it alright. But do YOU understand it?

    The real reason is because it would make a healthy person sick!

    So if it makes a healthy person sick, why is it given to the elderly
    and sick to supposedly make, or keep them healthy?

    Quoted message said:

    It is not intended for normal healthy people moron. Understand?
    It is not intended for normal healthy people. Why is that?
    Because normal people can eat normal food in any state or quantitiy that
    want.

    Judging from your comments, these products and their effects
    don't seem to be agreeing with you either...

  19. "Ken" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    I am a health care professional and that product is the only one


    compatible

    Quoted message said:

    with liguid feeding devices. You can not grind food and expect it to go


    into

    Quoted message said:

    any feeding tube.

    That has never been an issue. You keep straying off the subject and
    keep repeating the same off-topic nonsense.

    You wouldn't know that because you are not responsible for caring for anyone
    that would need to buy it off the shelf from a local store. Not all
    insurance provide the food and people buy it themselves and submit the
    bills.
    These patients are taken care of at home not in a hospital.

    Quoted message said:


    I have seen the elderly and sick given this junk over and over again
    as a form of meal replacement. However only recently I had a chance
    to not only taste it, but look at the label and familiarize myself with
    the ingredients.
    Yes, the taste is repugnant, but the more important issue here is
    that these products are pushed on the elderly and sick in the disguise
    of providing nutritious and life-sustaining support, while in reality they
    are nothing more than a donut in a can, and they only worsen many
    of the chronic illnesses the targeted population is suffering from.


    Look at the ingredient of an IV glucose solution moron. Glucose is sweet and
    it is a basic sugar necessary for life. It is incredible how stupid your
    knoweldge of medicine or even basic physiology is. How much does an IV raise
    the glucose level?
    Those people are in negative balance with depleted glycogen stores and you
    are worried about giving them donuts. Next thing you will be worried about
    is their cholesterol.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Are you familiar with the latest recommendations on not giving
    fruit juices to infants anymore?
    That's what you sound like is a baby crying for his juice.

    I'm not only familiar with it, but I'm on record of having made
    these recommendations decades ago as part of my research on
    simple sugars and their effect on chronic diseases.


    Simple sugars taste good don't they? Or does broccoli taste better?

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Again, it is a balanced food that keeps people alive and people like you
    don't really care about that as all you are interested in is taste.

    No, the issue is that IT IS possible to provide liquified meals that
    are both nutritious AND palatable, and these products in question
    provide the exact opposite.


    All you do is talk. Talk is cheap. Try to put those liquified meals into a
    feed tube and you can't do it. You don't know what you are talking about.
    You have never done it. All you know how to do is talk. Some people are care
    givers and must do the work and then you have idiots like yourself who
    simply talk.

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Only if "alive" is synonymous with "vegetative state."

    That's a different question all together. I hope you don't have to
    experience your own babble.

    On the contrary, this is precisely the issue at hand.

    Quoted message said:

    It is not intended for healthy people moron. IT is not intended for


    normal

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    healthy people. There is no reason why a healthy normal person should


    eat

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that. Understand?

    I understand it alright. But do YOU understand it?

    The real reason is because it would make a healthy person sick!


    With sugar like that it might. A normal person does not need a large
    concentrated load of carbs. To make it less concentrated and less sweet the
    person would have to drink a gallon of it and that is not likely in someone
    who can not swallow. You wouldn't know that.

    Quoted message said:


    So if it makes a healthy person sick, why is it given to the elderly
    and sick to supposedly make, or keep them healthy?

    Quoted message said:

    It is not intended for normal healthy people moron. Understand?
    It is not intended for normal healthy people. Why is that?
    Because normal people can eat normal food in any state or quantitiy that
    want.


    I can't believe such a stupid moronic statement in my life. Give insulin to
    a person who has a normal sugar level and you can kill him. Give insulin to
    a diabetic and you can save his life. Give any medication to a person who
    does not need it and you can end his life. Give potassium to a normal person
    and kill him while a potassium IV is given to one who is deficient in K.
    Give a concentrated food product to someone who doesn't need it and you have
    excess calories and carbs. Give it to someone who has depleted food stores
    and save his life.
    Your comments are just stupid and ignorant and this coming from a person in
    medical research?
    I don't buy it.

    Quoted message said:


    Judging from your comments, these products and their effects
    don't seem to be agreeing with you either...


    I have tried them and they don't bother me as far as taste.
    I only use the vanilla flavor as the strawberry taste too sweet for me. The
    chocolate flavor might irritate the stomach and I have switched those
    flavors in some tube feeders.

    Quoted message said:
  20. Quoted message said:

    "Robert" <[email hidden]> wrote
    Look at the ingredient of an IV glucose solution moron.

    Don't really have to. There is enough entertainment picturing
    you with IV lines in one hand, and a can of Ensure in the other,
    looking for a victim.
    First you were rambling on about tube feeding, now you're into
    glucose by IV...

    I'd get that ADD checked out, since you keep forever wandering
    off the original topic. Ditching that beloved goo of yours would be
    a step in the right direction. No use wasting any more bandwidth.

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