How Not To Do It

Just zis Guy said:

http://www.bhit.org/home.html shows how /not/ to wear a helmet...

Note that in the "figures" section the 85% figure which BeHIT were
unable to defend to ASA is the only efficacy statistic in evidence.

Be fair, it does say you should not wear the helmet so as to obstruct
your vision. I'm sure its important that kids know not to strap it on
the front of their face.

Tony

PS Is this not advertising and therefore should they be using that
figure? Based on the levels of proof the ASA required of the CTC I
would have thought that was somewhat dodgy.

Response to Just zis Guy, you know?:

Quoted message said:

http://www.bhit.org/home.html shows how /not/ to wear a helmet...

Oddly, my first reaction was to say "*Smile!*, for God's sake! Cycling -
particularly for children - is supposed to have at least some faint
association with pleasure!" I can't help feeling more and more that the
BHIT morons and their ilk simply fear pleasure. (By contrast, do you
remember the cover of the issue of "Cycle" following the defeat of the
Martlew bill?)

--
Mark, UK.

"One should as a rule respect public opinion in so far as is
necessary to avoid starvation and to keep out of prison, but
anything that goes beyond this is voluntary submission to an
unnecessary tyranny, and is likely to interfere with happiness
in all kinds of ways."

you know? said:

http://www.bhit.org/home.html shows how /not/ to wear a helmet...

Note that in the "figures" section the 85% figure which BeHIT were
unable to defend to ASA is the only efficacy statistic in evidence.

Guy

Why not let 'em know about the stats gaffe on the front page
of the website?

[email hidden]

Cheers!

Mark McNeill said:

Response to Just zis Guy, you know?:

Quoted message said:

http://www.bhit.org/home.html shows how /not/ to wear a helmet...

Oddly, my first reaction was to say "*Smile!*, for God's sake! Cycling -
particularly for children - is supposed to have at least some faint
association with pleasure!" I can't help feeling more and more that the
BHIT morons and their ilk simply fear pleasure.

It's just another Puritan manifestation, perhaps.

"A Puritan is someone who is desperately afraid that, somewhere, someone
might be having a good time." --Henry Louis Mencken

--
Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 12:37:21 +0000, nobody <[email hidden]> wrote
in message <[email hidden]>:

Quoted message said:

[email hidden]

If you publish an address like [email hidden] then it is quite
likely that the owner of [email hidden] will start to receive a
lot of spam. It is very irresponsible to publish [email hidden]
in this way, and I hope that [email hidden] is not deluged with
spam as a result.

Actually the front page does not seem to do anything in Firefox - ha
ha!

Guy
--
"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

Response to Just zis Guy, you know?:

Quoted message said:

Actually the front page does not seem to do anything in Firefox - ha
ha!

Yeah - I wondered at first if it was me and my dial-up, but *none* of the
fancy "scroll your mouse" doodads did anything. Somebody should tell
them. Not.

--
Mark, UK.

"A wartime Minister of Information is compelled, in the national
interest, to such continuous acts of duplicity that even his
natural hair must grow to resemble a wig."

Response to JLB:

Oh, I like Mencken very much indeed. New quote for the sig file...

--
Mark, UK.

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more
closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty
ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the
land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House
will be adorned by a downright moron."

Just zis Guy said:

Actually the front page does not seem to do anything in Firefox - ha
ha!

It does in my Firefox. Says that some cycling organisations are quick
to discredit them. Yes well it can be done rather quickly but I didn't
expect them to admit it!

Tony

Just zis Guy said:

http://www.bhit.org/home.html shows how /not/ to wear a helmet...

Note that in the "figures" section the 85% figure which BeHIT were
unable to defend to ASA is the only efficacy statistic in evidence.

Guy

What's this about then:

"A World Health Organisation Co-operating Helmet Initiative"?

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 11:50:54 +0000 someone who may be "Just zis Guy,
you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

http://www.bhit.org/home.html shows how /not/ to wear a helmet...

Note that in the "figures" section the 85% figure which BeHIT were
unable to defend to ASA is the only efficacy statistic in evidence.

I see the following on http://www.bhit.org/home.html "Research has
demonstrated that helmets can reduce the severity of head injuries
by up to 85 per cent." It is most interesting that they are so
devoid of scruples that they continue to parrot this lie.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:10:28 +0000, Not Responding <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

"A World Health Organisation Co-operating Helmet Initiative"?

There is a WHO Helmet Initiative. I haven't yet found the websites
for the WHO cycle training initiative, the WHO maintenance initiative,
the WHO cycle lighting initiative, the WHO driving standards
initiative...

Guy
--
"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

Just zis Guy said:

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:10:28 +0000, Not Responding <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

"A World Health Organisation Co-operating Helmet Initiative"?

There is a WHO Helmet Initiative. I haven't yet found the websites
for the WHO cycle training initiative, the WHO maintenance initiative,
the WHO cycle lighting initiative, the WHO driving standards
initiative...

Guy

The helmet one appears to be here

http://www.whohelmets.org

Response to Not Responding:

Quoted message said:

What's this about then:

"A World Health Organisation Co-operating Helmet Initiative"?

http://www.whohelmets.org/about.htm

--
Mark, UK.

"If you give me six lines written by the most honest man, I will
find something in them to hang him."

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:26:24 +0000, Not Responding <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

The helmet one appears to be here

I understand it is the work of a lone zealot, and not really an
official WHO site.

Guy
--
"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

Tony Raven said:

Just zis Guy said:

http://www.bhit.org/home.html shows how /not/ to wear a helmet...

Note that in the "figures" section the 85% figure which BeHIT were
unable to defend to ASA is the only efficacy statistic in evidence.

Be fair, it does say you should not wear the helmet so as to obstruct
your vision. I'm sure its important that kids know not to strap it on
the front of their face.

That poor girl must have very high eyebrows.

--
Michael MacClancy

"Not Responding" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

The helmet one appears to be here

http://www.whohelmets.org

One of their statements:
"Requiring helmet wearing - by law - is an effective strategy to increase
helmet use and to reduce death and injury".

Yes, but I'm over 18, if the "facts" are presented to me then providing I
don't endanger anyone else surely I can decide whether to carry the risk.

Pete

Just zis Guy said:

On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 13:26:24 +0000, Not Responding <[email hidden]>

wrote in message : said:

The helmet one appears to be here

I understand it is the work of a lone zealot, and not really an
official WHO site.

Guy

Nothing to do with the WHO at all by the looks of it. Uses the WHO logo
and passes itself off as one but wouldn't it be sweet if the only
member, who uses the WHO logo on their website, was part of a fraudulent
body. I have contacted the WHO to ask the question.

Tony

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you know? said:

I understand it is the work of a lone zealot, and not really an official
WHO site.

However the real WHO are in favour of them...

"... and overwhelming evidence in favour of bicycle helmet programmes..."

<http://www.euro.who.int/eprise/main/WHO/Progs/HEN/Syntheses/injuries/20041016_1>

They're also fond of misrepresenting statistics...

"Who are the road users most likely to be injured in crashes?
... for each kilometer travelled on a road in the European Union, a
person on a bicycle is eight times more likely to be killed than a
person in a car..."

<http://www.who.int/world-health-day/2004/infomaterials/en/brochure_en.pdf>

Mike

On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 15:27:34 +0100, "Peter B" <[email hidden]>
wrote:

| Yes, but I'm over 18, if the "facts" are presented to me then providing I
| don't endanger anyone else surely I can decide whether to carry the risk.

Then if you end up a cabbage for years with head injury before you die, the
Good Old National Health Service aka the rest of us pay for your care.

--
Dave F