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  1. I'm a club newsletter editor. Next issue we publish the new
    ride schedule. I'd like to do a humorous sidebar on ride ideas
    that were rejected. Here's what I have so far. Any other
    ideas?

    Dogma Ride Pace: very fast Leader: Butch
    Butch has connected all the spots with dogs who love to chase
    and snap at your legs, and come up with this route which is
    great for interval training. Don't be the slowest cyclist on
    this ride!

    Hospital Ride Pace: slow Leader: Nurse Ratchett
    This ride visits various sites where club members have had
    accidents in the past few years. In some cases, the skid marks
    are still there on the road!

    Brickyard Tour Pace: fast Leader: Red
    This route winds through the brick sidestreets of Wilmette,
    allowing you to pretend you are riding in one of those spring
    European classics as you bump along. This ride goes rain or
    shine. Lunch at the Klay Oven restaurant.

    So, what are other bad ideas for a club ride?

    P.S. One of the rides above is actually from our club schedule
    from a couple of years ago. Can you guess which?

  2. Mike Kruger said:

    I'm a club newsletter editor. Next issue we publish the new
    ride schedule. I'd like to do a humorous sidebar on ride ideas
    that were rejected.

    Quoted message said:

    Dogma Ride Pace: very fast Leader: Butch
    Butch has connected all the spots with dogs who love to chase
    and snap at your legs, and come up with this route which is
    great for interval training. Don't be the slowest cyclist on
    this ride!

    Hospital Ride Pace: slow Leader: Nurse Ratchett
    This ride visits various sites where club members have had
    accidents in the past few years. In some cases, the skid marks
    are still there on the road!

    Brickyard Tour Pace: fast Leader: Red
    This route winds through the brick sidestreets of Wilmette,
    allowing you to pretend you are riding in one of those spring
    European classics as you bump along. This ride goes rain or
    shine. Lunch at the Klay Oven restaurant.

    Sounds like some rides I've been on. I'm guessing the Brickyard Tour was a
    real ride.

    Art Harris

  3. Mike Kruger said:

    I'm a club newsletter editor. Next issue we publish the new
    ride schedule. I'd like to do a humorous sidebar on ride ideas
    that were rejected. Here's what I have so far. Any other
    ideas?

    Dogma Ride Pace: very fast Leader: Butch
    Butch has connected all the spots with dogs who love to chase
    and snap at your legs, and come up with this route which is
    great for interval training. Don't be the slowest cyclist on
    this ride!

    Hospital Ride Pace: slow Leader: Nurse Ratchett
    This ride visits various sites where club members have had
    accidents in the past few years. In some cases, the skid marks
    are still there on the road!

    Brickyard Tour Pace: fast Leader: Red
    This route winds through the brick sidestreets of Wilmette,
    allowing you to pretend you are riding in one of those spring
    European classics as you bump along. This ride goes rain or
    shine. Lunch at the Klay Oven restaurant.

    So, what are other bad ideas for a club ride?

    P.S. One of the rides above is actually from our club schedule
    from a couple of years ago. Can you guess which?

    How about:

    Tour de Major Arterial: A selection of very busy roads frequented by
    trucks, buses, emergency vehicles, and commuters in a hurry. Route will
    include numerous railroad crossings, traffic lights. No regrouping, dark
    clothing only. Fenders not required in case of rain. Ride leaves 4:30PM
    or whenever, lights not required after dark. Use of the f-word to talk
    to passing motorists will be required and prizes awarded for originality.

    Stockyard Ramble, Hog Farm Hejira, or Pulp Mills Perambulation: Enjoy
    not only the sights and sounds, but the smells of cycling scenic and
    odiferous roads. We'll be stopping for a lunch of red beans and rice,
    chili dogs, and garlic paste because by then who cares what everyone in
    front of you is doing. Frequent regroups and stops at the sleaziest
    bathrooms we can find. Clean shorts optional.

    Lung Tasting Tour: Drop it into the big ring and hammer hammer hammer
    out of the parking lot. Bring your scabs and your attitude. Special sag
    vehicles will run stragglers off the road. Inclement weather will move
    ride to local sports bar, where there will be continually arguing over
    who would have ridden whom off their wheel at Smuggler's Notch. Custom
    bicycles only please.

    Recovery Ride: Just getting back from an injury, riding like you are, or
    maybe just looking for a little sympathy? This is the ride for you.
    Easy pace allows for conserving breath for whining whining whining. No
    complaint is disallowed, one-upsmanship will be graded. Rider with the
    worst proven injury and most obnoxious complaint will be given a gag at
    the end of the ride. Visible open sores cancel.

  4. On Mon, 31 Jan 2005 23:17:15 +0000 (UTC), William Asher <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Mike Kruger said:

    I'm a club newsletter editor. Next issue we publish the new
    ride schedule. I'd like to do a humorous sidebar on ride ideas
    that were rejected. Here's what I have so far. Any other
    ideas?

    Dogma Ride Pace: very fast Leader: Butch
    Butch has connected all the spots with dogs who love to chase
    and snap at your legs, and come up with this route which is
    great for interval training. Don't be the slowest cyclist on
    this ride!

    Hospital Ride Pace: slow Leader: Nurse Ratchett
    This ride visits various sites where club members have had
    accidents in the past few years. In some cases, the skid marks
    are still there on the road!

    Brickyard Tour Pace: fast Leader: Red
    This route winds through the brick sidestreets of Wilmette,
    allowing you to pretend you are riding in one of those spring
    European classics as you bump along. This ride goes rain or
    shine. Lunch at the Klay Oven restaurant.

    So, what are other bad ideas for a club ride?

    P.S. One of the rides above is actually from our club schedule
    from a couple of years ago. Can you guess which?

    How about:

    Tour de Major Arterial: A selection of very busy roads frequented by
    trucks, buses, emergency vehicles, and commuters in a hurry. Route will
    include numerous railroad crossings, traffic lights. No regrouping, dark
    clothing only. Fenders not required in case of rain. Ride leaves 4:30PM
    or whenever, lights not required after dark. Use of the f-word to talk
    to passing motorists will be required and prizes awarded for originality.

    Stockyard Ramble, Hog Farm Hejira, or Pulp Mills Perambulation: Enjoy
    not only the sights and sounds, but the smells of cycling scenic and
    odiferous roads. We'll be stopping for a lunch of red beans and rice,
    chili dogs, and garlic paste because by then who cares what everyone in
    front of you is doing. Frequent regroups and stops at the sleaziest
    bathrooms we can find. Clean shorts optional.

    Lung Tasting Tour: Drop it into the big ring and hammer hammer hammer
    out of the parking lot. Bring your scabs and your attitude. Special sag
    vehicles will run stragglers off the road. Inclement weather will move
    ride to local sports bar, where there will be continually arguing over
    who would have ridden whom off their wheel at Smuggler's Notch. Custom
    bicycles only please.

    Recovery Ride: Just getting back from an injury, riding like you are, or
    maybe just looking for a little sympathy? This is the ride for you.
    Easy pace allows for conserving breath for whining whining whining. No
    complaint is disallowed, one-upsmanship will be graded. Rider with the
    worst proven injury and most obnoxious complaint will be given a gag at
    the end of the ride. Visible open sores cancel.

    All in favor of naming William to Activities Director say "Aye."

    Ron

  5. "William Asher" <[email hidden]> wrote
    <a bunch of good stuff>

    Thanks.

    in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Mike Kruger said:

    I'm a club newsletter editor. Next issue we publish the


    new

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ride schedule. I'd like to do a humorous sidebar on ride


    ideas

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that were rejected. Here's what I have so far. Any other
    ideas?

    Dogma Ride Pace: very fast Leader: Butch
    Butch has connected all the spots with dogs who love to


    chase

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    and snap at your legs, and come up with this route which


    is

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    great for interval training. Don't be the slowest cyclist


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    this ride!

    Hospital Ride Pace: slow Leader: Nurse Ratchett
    This ride visits various sites where club members have had
    accidents in the past few years. In some cases, the skid


    marks

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    are still there on the road!

    Brickyard Tour Pace: fast Leader: Red
    This route winds through the brick sidestreets of


    Wilmette,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    allowing you to pretend you are riding in one of those


    spring

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    European classics as you bump along. This ride goes rain


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    shine. Lunch at the Klay Oven restaurant.

    So, what are other bad ideas for a club ride?

    P.S. One of the rides above is actually from our club


    schedule

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    from a couple of years ago. Can you guess which?

    How about:

    Tour de Major Arterial: A selection of very busy roads


    frequented by

    Quoted message said:

    trucks, buses, emergency vehicles, and commuters in a hurry.


    Route will

    Quoted message said:

    include numerous railroad crossings, traffic lights. No


    regrouping, dark

    Quoted message said:

    clothing only. Fenders not required in case of rain. Ride


    leaves 4:30PM

    Quoted message said:

    or whenever, lights not required after dark. Use of the


    f-word to talk

    Quoted message said:

    to passing motorists will be required and prizes awarded for


    originality.

    Quoted message said:

    Stockyard Ramble, Hog Farm Hejira, or Pulp Mills


    Perambulation: Enjoy

    Quoted message said:

    not only the sights and sounds, but the smells of cycling


    scenic and

    Quoted message said:

    odiferous roads. We'll be stopping for a lunch of red beans


    and rice,

    Quoted message said:

    chili dogs, and garlic paste because by then who cares what


    everyone in

    Quoted message said:

    front of you is doing. Frequent regroups and stops at the


    sleaziest

    Quoted message said:

    bathrooms we can find. Clean shorts optional.

    Lung Tasting Tour: Drop it into the big ring and hammer


    hammer hammer

    Quoted message said:

    out of the parking lot. Bring your scabs and your attitude.


    Special sag

    Quoted message said:

    vehicles will run stragglers off the road. Inclement


    weather will move

    Quoted message said:

    ride to local sports bar, where there will be continually


    arguing over

    Quoted message said:

    who would have ridden whom off their wheel at Smuggler's


    Notch. Custom

    Quoted message said:

    bicycles only please.

    Recovery Ride: Just getting back from an injury, riding


    like you are, or

    Quoted message said:

    maybe just looking for a little sympathy? This is the ride


    for you.

    Quoted message said:

    Easy pace allows for conserving breath for whining whining


    whining. No

    Quoted message said:

    complaint is disallowed, one-upsmanship will be graded.


    Rider with the

    Quoted message said:

    worst proven injury and most obnoxious complaint will be


    given a gag at

    Quoted message said:

    the end of the ride. Visible open sores cancel.

  6. Another nominee:

    Mooch Ride
    Live off the land on this ride. Don't bring a pen, a sign-up
    sheet, a tube, patch kit or a pump. We'll head up the North
    Branch trail on a nice Sunday and borrow gear from passerby if
    there are any breakdowns. Rest stop at Panera where we'll eat
    the free samples of bagels and cream cheese, or we'll get
    taste spoons of ice cream at Baskin-Robbins.

  7. Mike Kruger said:

    I'm a club newsletter editor. Next issue we publish the new
    ride schedule. I'd like to do a humorous sidebar on ride ideas
    that were rejected. Here's what I have so far. Any other
    ideas?

    Poser Ride:

    Only for those with megabuck bikes. We'll put them on our SUV's and
    drive to various park and ride lots, then ride a short distance to a
    nearby trendy coffee house or deli from each lot. We'll only ride on
    perfect roads so put on your special event wheels for maximum admiration
    from the masses. Please make sure your jersey and shorts match. New
    bar tape and water bottles are mandatory. Bring $50 for snacks and drinks.

    --
    My bike blog:
    http://diabloscott.blogspot.com/

  8. Quoted message said:

    Poser Ride:

    Only for those with megabuck bikes. We'll put them on our SUV's and
    drive to various park and ride lots, then ride a short distance to a
    nearby trendy coffee house or deli from each lot. We'll only ride on
    perfect roads so put on your special event wheels for maximum admiration
    from the masses. Please make sure your jersey and shorts match. New
    bar tape and water bottles are mandatory. Bring $50 for snacks and drinks.

    Extra credit if your socks match too.

    Chris Neary
    [email hidden]

    "Science, freedom, beauty, adventure: what more could
    you ask of life? Bicycling combined all the elements I
    loved" - Adapted from a quotation by Charles Lindbergh

  9. Mike Kruger said:

    I'm a club newsletter editor. Next issue we publish the new
    ride schedule. I'd like to do a humorous sidebar on ride ideas
    that were rejected. Here's what I have so far. Any other
    ideas?

    Ride for Prostate Cancer. This ride benefits prostate
    cancer survivors, and is open to male riders of upright
    bicycles ("wedgies"😉 with old-style, non-anatomical
    saddles ("ass-hatchets"😉.

  10. William Asher said:

    I'm a club newsletter editor. Next issue we publish the new
    ride schedule. I'd like to do a humorous sidebar on ride ideas
    that were rejected. Here's what I have so far. Any other
    ideas?

    Actual ride just nobody seems to like the concept

    The Shortest Day or Precious, it's my Birthday:

    Ride from Jamesburg to Bordentown to Sandyhook and back. Enjoy cool
    Jersey shore breezes and a leasurely ride along the Delaware as we
    ride through the narrowest part of the state. Occasional stops. Gale
    force winds or snow accumulation cancels and yes we'll still ride if
    it's below freezing.

    A/3/130 mile (A = 17 - 18 overall avg, 4 = flat, no hills)

    BTW, my club does the Longest Day ride a double century and it is a
    December ride.

    My friend is working on this:

    Hills of the Flatlands: Ride along the Jersey shore as we venture to
    every hill we can find. 4000ft total climb and back to sea level.

    B/3/70 (B = 16 -17, 3 = some hills)

    My current favorite and one I'm working on for this summer:

    Dyslexics of the world untie (or it's never a 3 hour tour!):

    Come join your fearless leader as we try out new routes which will
    include Ft Dix Artillery range (mechanics troubles and we'll abandon
    you), the spitting Lama (and you thought dogs were bad!), the Pine
    Barrens (there is no one for miles!). And I still haven't learned my
    left from my right.

    A+,4,130 +/- (A+ = 18+ overall avg, no hills, +/- means we could get
    lost and get more miles).

    --
    Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [email hidden]
    http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only)
    http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II)
    http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog

  11. "Arthur Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Brickyard Tour Pace: fast Leader: Red
    This route winds through the brick sidestreets of Wilmette,
    allowing you to pretend you are riding in one of those spring
    European classics as you bump along. This ride goes rain or
    shine. Lunch at the Klay Oven restaurant.

    Sounds like some rides I've been on. I'm guessing the Brickyard Tour was a
    real ride.

    There's one like that that David Robinson leads every year -- I think he
    calls it the the Taste of Hell -- as many brick streets in Seattle as he can
    find. He says he freaked out the City the first time he asked where they all
    were. They thought he was going to complain! You can read a description
    here:
    http://www.cascade.org/EandR/Activities_Calendar_RDetail.cfm?eventID=2362

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Home of the meditative cyclist:
    http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/

    I'm doing the Big Climb for my friend Dena! See:
    http://www.active.com/donations/campaign_public.cfm?key=cpetersky

  12. P.S. Can I use any of these for my club newsletter?

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    Home of the meditative cyclist:
    http://home.earthlink.net/~cpetersky/Welcome.htm
    Personal page: http://www.geocities.com/cpetersky/

    I'm doing the Big Climb for my friend Dena! See:
    http://www.active.com/donations/campaign_public.cfm?key=cpetersky

  13. Tour de Thunderbird. No vineyards or tasting rooms on this two-wheeled
    adventure. Instead, we'll cruise the industrial part of town, stopping
    at several of the club's favorite drive-through liquor stores to stock
    up on Cheetohs and top off our "water" bottles. Cycling apparel
    discouraged; suggested attire is early Salvation Army. And make sure
    those handlebars are in the fully upgright and locked position (that's
    right: bar ends to the sky, folks!). We'll be collecting aluminum cans
    along the way to fund the post-ride malt-liquor blowout, and you'll
    need someplace to tie on your 50-gallon plastic bag to hold the booty.
    Sorry, no sag support; we don't have any licensed drivers left in the
    club. Meet at 9 am Sunday at the blood bank on South 2nd street.

    Little Debbie Season Opener Out'n'Back Training Ride. Break out the
    Relaxed Fit spandex, sling on the feedbag, pump up the tires to 135
    psi, and lets' roll! We'll meet at Dunkin Donuts, go hard (5-7 mph)
    for 4 miles, regroup at the Golden Corral for the Sunday Brunch
    All-You-Can-Eat special, and then head back to the starting point. Make
    sure you bring a couple of sleeves of Archway cookies to avoid the
    dreaded bonk. All the sag wagons will have plenty of Gold Bond powder
    and baby oil on hand to ease the discomfort of those early-season
    chafed inner thighs.

  14. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Claire Petersky said:

    "Arthur Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Brickyard Tour Pace: fast Leader: Red
    This route winds through the brick sidestreets of Wilmette,
    allowing you to pretend you are riding in one of those spring
    European classics as you bump along. This ride goes rain or
    shine. Lunch at the Klay Oven restaurant.

    Sounds like some rides I've been on. I'm guessing the Brickyard Tour was a
    real ride.

    There's one like that that David Robinson leads every year -- I think he
    calls it the the Taste of Hell -- as many brick streets in Seattle as he can
    find. He says he freaked out the City the first time he asked where they all
    were. They thought he was going to complain! You can read a description
    here:
    http://www.cascade.org/EandR/Activities_Calendar_RDetail.cfm?eventID=2362

    Ha! In our area the local Trek-VW team runs the "Harris-Roubaix" race, a
    full-on, sanctioned road race that includes a 1km gravel section each
    lap. I did it last year. The gravel chunks were coarse and loose, not
    hard-packed, and it's pretty crazy. I got knocked out of the race by a
    mechanical caused by getting bumped from behind while waiting to get
    onto the gravel (the back of the pack in the big races literally has to
    stop and wait to get onto the gravel, because there isn't enough room
    through the narrow entrance).

    Here's a nice shot of the gravel. Note how the riders make use of the
    wheel-ruts, the only viable riding lines on the gravel:

    http://www.trekvwracing.com/gallery/roubaix04/pic19.html

    Last year saw annoyingly good conditions: sunny skies, mild weather. Not
    a hint of rain or cold.

    Strangely, my Cat 4/5 DNF isn't on the results table,
    --
    Ryan Cousineau, [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com
    Verus de parvis; verus de magnis.

  15. Ryan Cousineau said:


    Here's a nice shot of the gravel. Note how the riders make use of the
    wheel-ruts, the only viable riding lines on the gravel:

    http://www.trekvwracing.com/gallery/roubaix04/pic19.html

    Just a guess: you're not a mountain biker, are you?

    (Those AREN'T "ruts"! Ruts can swallow bikes whole! 🙂 )

  16. "Claire Petersky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Arthur Harris" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Brickyard Tour Pace: fast Leader: Red
    This route winds through the brick sidestreets of


    Wilmette,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    allowing you to pretend you are riding in one of those


    spring

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    European classics as you bump along. This ride goes rain


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    shine. Lunch at the Klay Oven restaurant.

    Sounds like some rides I've been on. I'm guessing the


    Brickyard Tour was a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    real ride.

    There's one like that that David Robinson leads every


    year -- I think he

    Quoted message said:

    calls it the the Taste of Hell -- as many brick streets in


    Seattle as he can

    Quoted message said:

    find. He says he freaked out the City the first time he


    asked where they all

    Quoted message said:

    were. They thought he was going to complain! You can read a


    description

    Quoted message said:

    here:


    http://www.cascade.org/EandR/Activities_Calendar_RDetail.cfm?eventID=2362

    Quoted message said:


    Art imitates life! My "Brickyard Tour" was (I thought)
    fiction -- in fact, there are always a bunch of complaints if
    anyone leads a ride through Wilmette on these routes.
    Wilmette actually replaces brick streets with new brick
    streets -- they are regarded as a traffic-calming device that
    also adds charm.

    The "real" ride of the ones I posted was the hospital ride, in
    which we rode around to sites where club members had been hit
    by cars.

  17. I need to find the old narrative from a club in Canada. They did an
    all-night ride and hit **every** Tim Horton;\'s (donut shop) in the
    metro. The rule was: they had to buy and eat something at every stop.
    So they had some TimBits, and a TimPie, and some TimWater...

    --Karen M.
    happy to find lead articles on UseNet

  18. "Veloise" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I need to find the old narrative from a club in Canada. They


    did an

    Quoted message said:

    all-night ride and hit **every** Tim Horton;\'s (donut shop)


    in the

    Quoted message said:

    metro. The rule was: they had to buy and eat something at


    every stop.

    Quoted message said:

    So they had some TimBits, and a TimPie, and some TimWater...

    --Karen M.
    happy to find lead articles on UseNet


    That's too close for comfort -- one of our club's most popular
    rides is the "hot dog ride", where we stop at several hot dog
    stands. A polish here, a chardog there, ... hey, I haven't
    had a bratwurst yet... Is it windy enough for a chili dog?

    Too many hot dog places in Chicago to hit them all, though.

  19. Bill Sornson said:
    Ryan Cousineau said:


    Here's a nice shot of the gravel. Note how the riders make use of the
    wheel-ruts, the only viable riding lines on the gravel:

    http://www.trekvwracing.com/gallery/roubaix04/pic19.html

    Just a guess: you're not a mountain biker, are you?

    (Those AREN'T "ruts"! Ruts can swallow bikes whole! 🙂 )

    I have a ride like that, down by the Jersey shore (in Hawthorn (sp?)
    woods) which rides up a gravel road, the ruts tend to be packed but
    loose gravel (the rangers drive this road daily). The rest is loose
    gravel. I sometimes get complaints about that section because it's
    off-roading (pedel too hard and you spin out in the gravel, pedal too
    soft and you fall down). There's just pleasing some folk. :-)

    --
    Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [email hidden]
    http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only)
    http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II)
    http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog

  20. Mike Kruger said:

    "Veloise" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I need to find the old narrative from a club in Canada. They


    did an

    Quoted message said:

    all-night ride and hit **every** Tim Horton;\'s (donut shop)


    in the

    Quoted message said:

    metro. The rule was: they had to buy and eat something at


    every stop.

    Quoted message said:

    So they had some TimBits, and a TimPie, and some TimWater...

    --Karen M.
    happy to find lead articles on UseNet


    That's too close for comfort -- one of our club's most popular
    rides is the "hot dog ride", where we stop at several hot dog
    stands. A polish here, a chardog there, ... hey, I haven't
    had a bratwurst yet... Is it windy enough for a chili dog?

    That reminds me of a route I did from the club collection. It ended up
    being a 62 mile ride with no stops as we couldn't find a single store
    on the route! I haven't done that one since but I now know where every
    store is within 5 miles of my routes (this is South Jersey and still
    farm land). The reason it reminded me of that was an encounter we had
    on my modified version of that ride. There is a store in Chesterfield
    that is billed as an Ice Cream shop. There a vegetarian rider took
    offense to the way another rider scarfed down a hot dog (I was upset
    too, not enough yellow mustard! ;-). Ocasionally we ride for hot dogs!

    --
    Linux Home Automation Neil Cherry [email hidden]
    http://home.comcast.net/~ncherry/ (Text only)
    http://hcs.sourceforge.net/ (HCS II)
    http://linuxha.blogspot.com/ My HA Blog

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