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Bill C said:

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What are the chances now of this being where Lance does his hour...

Mike G.
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Hadn't thought of that. I heard from someone in the area who thinks
this'll stay in the planning stages until were all to old to ride, but
the Lance stuff could be a real wildcard in whether this happens or
not.
We've had an indoor bmx track and skatepark open in the area and they
are swamped with kids. Looks like we could have a few more soon. Some
of the area golf courses are really looking at it as a way to use spare
land and generate income over the winter.
Bill C

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| What are the chances now of this being where Lance does his hour...

Isn't Albuquerque like 5-6,000 feet above sea level?
I know that would reduce friction, but wouldn't the altitude
more than cancel this out?

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| In article <[email hidden]>,
| "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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| What are the chances now of this being where Lance does his hour...

Isn't Albuquerque like 5-6,000 feet above sea level?
I know that would reduce friction, but wouldn't the altitude
more than cancel this out?

If he has any balls, he'll get a standard track machine, go to Manchester
and take on Bman's hour. F-1 Project and altitude will not show what a
great cyclist he might be. Let him ride a direct comparison with the likes
of Boardman, Anquetil, Bracke, Riviere, Baldini, and Coppi at sea level.

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| In article <[email hidden]>,
| "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote:
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| What are the chances now of this being where Lance does his hour...

Isn't Albuquerque like 5-6,000 feet above sea level?
I know that would reduce friction, but wouldn't the altitude
more than cancel this out?

If he has any balls, he'll get a standard track machine, go to Manchester
and take on Bman's hour. F-1 Project and altitude will not show what a
great cyclist he might be. Let him ride a direct comparison with the
likes of Boardman, Anquetil, Bracke, Riviere, Baldini, and Coppi at sea
level.

Boardman's desired parameters:

http://www.procycling.com/news.aspx?ID=856

From "B Lafferty":

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Boardman's desired parameters:

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procycling.comnews.aspxOpen ↗

From above link:

<“There should be doping control of both blood and urine immediately prior to
and after the event and this should be stored to allow for future re-tests,”
Boardman said. “In Armstrong's case, putting in place such procedures would
be a magnificent opportunity for him to dispel all the rumours. It would answer
all his problems.”

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"Magnificent opportunity"? "All his problems"? What a laugh. Just a couple
more-- in a long, long line, of negative tests and inquiry-driven retests--
which will *never* satisfy the Lance haters, among whom LA has already been
convicted on the basis of performance and perceived arrogance (combined with
rumor/innuendo, of course).

Right, Brian?

I couldn't help but notice that CB didn't say anything about "riding outdoors
like Eddy Merckx did". Whoops. "He never would have made it" (IMHO of course).

Well, they should just go to ebay and find any hopefuls a nice NOS pair of
floppy Addidas lace-up leather shoes and some fine TA nail-on metal cleats.
Maybe require some torque specs on the toestraps as well, and don't forget the
fuzzy wool pants with leather chamois and nice warm silk jersey, either. Sea
level, outdoors, and maybe it should be cold and raining, as well...

Speaking of, any news on the rumored LA run at the Spring Classics? Or have any
former "also rans" been hyping their Giro or Tour aspirations? --TP

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From "B Lafferty":

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Boardman's desired parameters:

Quoted message said:

procycling.comnews.aspxOpen ↗

From above link:

<"There should be doping control of both blood and urine immediately prior
to
and after the event and this should be stored to allow for future
re-tests,"
Boardman said. "In Armstrong's case, putting in place such procedures
would
be a magnificent opportunity for him to dispel all the rumours. It would
answer
all his problems."

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"Magnificent opportunity"? "All his problems"? What a laugh. Just a couple
more-- in a long, long line, of negative tests and inquiry-driven
retests--
which will *never* satisfy the Lance haters, among whom LA has already
been
convicted on the basis of performance and perceived arrogance (combined
with
rumor/innuendo, of course).

Right, Brian?

You inquiry is better directed to Mr. Boardman.

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I couldn't help but notice that CB didn't say anything about "riding
outdoors
like Eddy Merckx did". Whoops. "He never would have made it" (IMHO of
course).

There will always be that debate. Would outdoor at altitude be roughly
equivelent to indoor at sea level? IIRC, Armstrong was talking about
building an indoor track at altitude.

Personally, I think this is a marvelous opportunity for the present
athelete's hour holder's record to go up against what Armstrong can do. It
would be sort of like Merckx and Ritter both riding in Mexico City.

BTW, have a look at a very good unofficial CB web site
http://www.chrisboardman.com/ Lots of career photos.

Mike Gladu said:

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What are the chances now of this being where Lance does his hour...

Mike G.
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Well Mike looks like you nailed it yet again! Conga Rats.
Bill C

From "B Lafferty":

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You inquiry is better directed to Mr. >Boardman.

"Thanks for your answer".

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Would outdoor at altitude be roughly
equivelent to indoor at sea level?

Depends. On the changable wind, for one thing. Temperature. Tolerance of
atmospheric pollution for another. Compared to manipulation of the indoor
environment, incl. temp, pressure, humidity. If I were doing it, I'd go high
indoors and manipulate within the rules. And maybe bring two different bikes
<g> if I felt extra good.

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http://www.chrisboardman.com/

Thanks, I had that one and lost it in an AOL thrash.

FWIW, I followed CB's exploits with interest. If you look on p. 75 of Feb '04's
Procycling, you'll see CB in yellow on an Eddy apparently identical to the one
I ride except for the "Boardman Chris" decal placement. His (one visible) is
placed above the top tube stripe, mine are right on it. "Belgium Handmade",
tubes by Lightspeed. Nice ride and really a pretty blue in sunlight. --TP

"Tom Paterson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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From "B Lafferty":

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You inquiry is better directed to Mr. >Boardman.

"Thanks for your answer".

Quoted message said:

Would outdoor at altitude be roughly
equivelent to indoor at sea level?

Depends. On the changable wind, for one thing. Temperature. Tolerance of
atmospheric pollution for another. Compared to manipulation of the indoor
environment, incl. temp, pressure, humidity. If I were doing it, I'd go
high
indoors and manipulate within the rules. And maybe bring two different
bikes
<g> if I felt extra good.

I think one answer to what Boardman is raising is to set standards for an
athelete's hour at sea level and at altitude. The central issue is to be
able to make comparisons of the atheletes. While the absolute hour record
has its interesting points, its not my preference.

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http://www.chrisboardman.com/

Thanks, I had that one and lost it in an AOL thrash.

I wish WCP would bring the dvd of Boardman's final record ride over here for
sale. Bromley has it, but the exchange rate is really bad right now due to
the weakened dollar.

Quoted message said:

FWIW, I followed CB's exploits with interest. If you look on p. 75 of Feb
'04's
Procycling, you'll see CB in yellow on an Eddy apparently identical to the
one
I ride except for the "Boardman Chris" decal placement. His (one visible)
is
placed above the top tube stripe, mine are right on it. "Belgium
Handmade",
tubes by Lightspeed. Nice ride and really a pretty blue in sunlight. --TP

"EuroDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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| The issue is that of being able to compare performances. As another poster
| aptly noted, there have been proposals to have dual records--sea level and
| altitude for the AH. Not a bad idea, IMHO.
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In athletics (Track & Field) this is already the case. Sprint times recorded at altitude get an '*' in the record books and do not
get recognised officially.
Likewise for events such as the long jump. Longer events, such as the 1,500 and up do not have separate classifications as the loss
of oxygen to the athletes does not get made up for the thinner air, due to the relatively slower speeds.

"EuroDog" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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The issue is that of being able to compare performances. As another
poster aptly noted, there have been proposals to have dual records--sea
level and altitude for the AH. Not a bad idea, IMHO.

Then you get into a situation like national championship jerseys where the
US distributes, what, about 500 annually?

Every rider has the opportunity to choose to make their attempt on the track
of their choice. Nobody refused Boardman, Obree, or Rominger an attempt at
altitude.

The performances are compared by how far you ride. Period.

Carl
(Similar to Tim Lines, in training to set the 43 year 3 month age group, 19%
bf, 128 m altitude, with 32 spoke wheels and steel frame tubes hour record)

How did that happen you ask?

It was a cancer thing when Lance had testicular cancer, they had to
remove one. And hence, he only has one.

Tom

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How did that happen you ask?

It was a cancer thing when Lance had testicular cancer, they had to
remove one. And hence, he only has one.

Tom

Choose one or more from the following:

I am,

a. thick as a brick
b. without humor or sarcasm perception.
c. a dumbass jerk.
d. just a guy with a very long chain to be jerked.
e. a sad, lonely, pathetic little middle aged man who takes things quite
literally, all the time.

EuroDog said:

The issue is that of being able to compare performances. As another

poster

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aptly noted, there have been proposals to have dual records--sea

level and

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altitude for the AH. Not a bad idea, IMHO.

the UCI lists different categories of hour records :

http://www.uci.ch/modello.asp?1stlevelid=F&level1=4&level2=1&idnews=1571

i knew ekimov held an hour record, but i didn't know john frey held the
amateur outdoor altitude record.

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The issue is that of being able to compare performances. As another

poster

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aptly noted, there have been proposals to have dual records--sea

level and

Quoted message said:

altitude for the AH. Not a bad idea, IMHO.

the UCI lists different categories of hour records :

http://www.uci.ch/modello.asp?1stlevelid=F&level1=4&level2=1&idnews=1571

i knew ekimov held an hour record, but i didn't know john frey held the
amateur outdoor altitude record.

But nobody pays any attention to any of them except the (no pun intended)
absolute fastest. Which record are you more impressed by: Boardman's 56.375
or 49.441? Even Eddy himself has been quoted as saying regressing the record
was a stupid idea.

Carl Sundquist said:

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the UCI lists different categories of hour records :

http://www.uci.ch/modello.asp?1stlevelid=F&level1=4&level2=1&idnews=1571

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i knew ekimov held an hour record, but i didn't know john frey held

the

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amateur outdoor altitude record.

But nobody pays any attention to any of them except the (no pun

intended)

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absolute fastest.

true, i was just pointing out that the UCI does have a history or
keeping a separate record for records set at altitude.

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Which record are you more impressed by: Boardman's 56.375
or 49.441?

the former as well as boardman's 4:11 pursuit set the bar insanely
high.

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Even Eddy himself has been quoted as saying regressing the record
was a stupid idea.

if armstrong wanted to he could try to break the 56.375, just because
the UCI no longer calls it the hour record doesn't mean it wasn't done.

how about if a promoter got together some money and brought together
the top four or five TT riders in the world to tackle the hour all in
one night as a pay-per-view ?

you wouldn't have to sit through five hours of laps though, if someone
falls too far behind the record pace their ride would be aborted and
the next rider would start.

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if armstrong wanted to he could try to break the 56.375, just because
the UCI no longer calls it the hour record doesn't mean it wasn't done.

That's what I was proposing in the other hour thread. Just go out and set a
new fastest time, abiding by all technical UCI parameters with the exception
of bike equipment. Let them wallow for a few years in their "Absolute Hour"
record that nobody tries for or cares about. Eventually they'll come back to
the 21st century.

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how about if a promoter got together some money and brought together
the top four or five TT riders in the world to tackle the hour all in
one night as a pay-per-view ?

you wouldn't have to sit through five hours of laps though, if someone
falls too far behind the record pace their ride would be aborted and
the next rider would start.

Doubtful that would work as each rider would need to know when they are
going to start so they could schedule their preparations and warmups
accordingly. A simulcast between velodromes such as Manchester, Bordeaux,
etc. could be quite interesting though.

Carl Sundquist said:

"amit" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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if armstrong wanted to he could try to break the 56.375, just because
the UCI no longer calls it the hour record doesn't mean it wasn't done.

That's what I was proposing in the other hour thread. Just go out and set a
new fastest time, abiding by all technical UCI parameters with the exception
of bike equipment.

Armstrong in the superman position? That would be cool.

Jenko