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  1. Hi All

    After reading the thread about pins and needles in hands, I thought I'd ask
    for advice on the problem I'm experiencing.

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10 miles or
    so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my shoulders,
    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour it was
    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    Would appreciate any advice on this. Thanks,

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

  2. Paul Rose said:

    Would appreciate any advice on this. Thanks,

    Move the bottom bracket forward until the legs are raised and attach a sofa.

    <Sorry. Haven't ridden one in while and I miss it!>

    Jon

  3. Paul Rose said:

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10
    miles or so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my
    shoulders, mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck.
    After an hour it was quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    Be careful because too far forward can spoil pedalling action and saddle
    comfort.

    Experiment with handlebar height if you can and give it another couple of
    rides -- frequently varying hand positions as you go -- as the new bike
    might just need some more getting used to.

    Next step: try a shorter handlebar stem. Reducing the reach by as little
    as 20 or even 10 mm can make a big difference to back, shoulder and neck
    comfort. You might need a stem with bit more rise as well (angle of stem
    itself can provide that).

    It's crucial that reach and height are balanced. A *short* reach can also
    cause aches & pains if the bars are so low that you're squashed up.
    Solution then would be to either raise the bars or get a longer stem (with
    more forwards extension), depending on riding position preference.

    How about some pre-ride stretching exercises as well?

    ~PB

  4. "Paul Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10 miles or
    so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my shoulders,
    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour it
    was
    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    What type of bar do you use? Although you can (and possibly should) start
    with adjustments as others recommend, the way the hands make contact with
    the two types of bar can make a difference.

    When riding drop bars just behind the hoods the main loads on the hands go
    down the thumbs into the valley at the base of the thumbs. This valley
    (don't know the technical name) is full of delicate bits - and the load
    here has given me pins & needles. On flats the loads go mainly on the bone
    running down the outside of the hands below the little fingers which is a
    more robust area.

    Also, I find that the difference in wrist angle (predominantly toe-out on
    drop, toe-in on flat) alters the plane in which the elbows move and so on
    up into the neck & shoulders.

    Obviously flats need bar ends and many people fit these inboard of the
    brakes.

  5. "DavidR" <nospam_a@t_nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Paul Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10 miles or
    so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my shoulders,
    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour it
    was
    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    What type of bar do you use? Although you can (and possibly should) start
    with adjustments as others recommend, the way the hands make contact with
    the two types of bar can make a difference.

    When riding drop bars just behind the hoods the main loads on the hands go
    down the thumbs into the valley at the base of the thumbs. This valley
    (don't know the technical name) is full of delicate bits - and the load
    here has given me pins & needles. On flats the loads go mainly on the bone
    running down the outside of the hands below the little fingers which is a
    more robust area.

    Also, I find that the difference in wrist angle (predominantly toe-out on
    drop, toe-in on flat) alters the plane in which the elbows move and so on
    up into the neck & shoulders.

    Obviously flats need bar ends and many people fit these inboard of the
    brakes.


    Hi, the other thing to remember is that the body takes time to adapt to a
    new exercise regime. You have to get use to the position your in when
    riding. It may just be the case that your body needs time to adapt. If it
    does continue after a few weeks then it's worth altering things slowly to
    find an ideal position.

    John

  6. "Jon Senior" wrote in message

    Quoted message said:

    Move the bottom bracket forward until the legs are raised and attach a
    sofa.

    That was really helpful, I'm sure he appreciated it - NOT!

  7. Paul Rose said:

    Hi All

    After reading the thread about pins and needles in hands, I thought I'd ask
    for advice on the problem I'm experiencing.

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10 miles or
    so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my shoulders,
    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour it was
    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    I used to have this odd habit of riding with my shoulders sort of
    hunched up (i.e. with the trapezius muscle contracted). This led
    to aches, and eventually pain over longer distances. I had to
    consciously force myself not to do it for a while.

    Anyway, others have given some sensible mechanical advice, this
    is a possible physical cause.

    --
    jc

    Remove the -not from email

  8. Jeremy Collins said:
    Paul Rose said:


    After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my shoulders,
    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour it was
    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes?

    I used to have this odd habit of riding with my shoulders sort of
    hunched up (i.e. with the trapezius muscle contracted). This led
    to aches, and eventually pain over longer distances. I had to
    consciously force myself not to do it for a while.


    I find the same problem - when it's cold, I hunch up to stop the wind
    going down my neck.

    Perhaps I need a scarf.

  9. Al C-F said:

    I find the same problem - when it's cold, I hunch up to stop the wind
    going down my neck.

    Perhaps I need a scarf.

    Cheaper than a recumbent, granted, but probably not as effective for
    solving the problem... ;-)

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  10. "Velvet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rose said:

    Hi All

    After reading the thread about pins and needles in hands, I thought I'd


    ask

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for advice on the problem I'm experiencing.

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10 miles


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my shoulders,
    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour it


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    Would appreciate any advice on this. Thanks,

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

    I was given some good advice about making sure you keep your chest
    'open' - not to hunch the shoulders etc, because that tenses everything
    and can lead to problems with nerves in that region. There's a
    noticeable difference if I consciously relax the shoulders, drops the
    spine between the shoulderblades rather than being higher than them
    (that's what it feels like!), and the chest naturally pushes out and
    opens a bit more (not that it needs it AT ALL with the overly ample
    fairing I've already got LOL).

    FWIW, my bike's a lot nicer to ride since I took it (and me) to a proper
    fitting. Bike's still too long along the top tube, but that's sorted as
    best (and isn't way out now!) which made a lot of improvement to the
    hand/arm/shoulder/neck comfort.

    --

    Velvet


    I just ride a hybred fro pleasure but I found pains similar to what you
    described. THese were alleviated by adjusting the bike to take weight off
    the arms. THis was achieved to a linited extent by lowering the saddle
    raising the bars and moving them towards the saddle. I don't think the
    geometry of my bike will allow me to get it to be perfect for me but it is
    certainly a lot better. I also learnt to relax my riding style more
    (Pretty well as Velevet describes) and alos ride for fun rather than to
    break any records.

    Chris

  11. "DavidR" <nospam_a@t_nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Paul Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10 miles


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my shoulders,
    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour it
    was
    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    What type of bar do you use? Although you can (and possibly should) start
    with adjustments as others recommend, the way the hands make contact with
    the two types of bar can make a difference.

    When riding drop bars just behind the hoods the main loads on the hands go
    down the thumbs into the valley at the base of the thumbs. This valley
    (don't know the technical name) is full of delicate bits - and the load
    here has given me pins & needles. On flats the loads go mainly on the bone
    running down the outside of the hands below the little fingers which is a
    more robust area.

    Also, I find that the difference in wrist angle (predominantly toe-out on
    drop, toe-in on flat) alters the plane in which the elbows move and so on
    up into the neck & shoulders.

    Obviously flats need bar ends and many people fit these inboard of the
    brakes.

    Thanks David. They are the standard bars that come with the Rockhopper,
    flats(?). I tried moving my hands/wrist angle etc. but nothing seemed to
    work. One possibility that did enter my mind is I might be holding my head
    up higher than normal. I wear glasses, which slide down my nose, and I find
    myself raising my head higher so I can see through them! I might try riding
    without them and see if this helps. Don't worry, I can see well enough
    without them ;o)

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

  12. "John" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "DavidR" <nospam_a@t_nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Paul Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10 miles


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my shoulders,
    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour it
    was
    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    What type of bar do you use? Although you can (and possibly should)


    start

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    with adjustments as others recommend, the way the hands make contact


    with

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the two types of bar can make a difference.

    When riding drop bars just behind the hoods the main loads on the hands


    go

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    down the thumbs into the valley at the base of the thumbs. This valley
    (don't know the technical name) is full of delicate bits - and the load
    here has given me pins & needles. On flats the loads go mainly on the


    bone

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    running down the outside of the hands below the little fingers which is


    a

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    more robust area.

    Also, I find that the difference in wrist angle (predominantly toe-out


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    drop, toe-in on flat) alters the plane in which the elbows move and so


    on

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    up into the neck & shoulders.

    Obviously flats need bar ends and many people fit these inboard of the
    brakes.


    Hi, the other thing to remember is that the body takes time to adapt to a
    new exercise regime. You have to get use to the position your in when
    riding. It may just be the case that your body needs time to adapt. If it
    does continue after a few weeks then it's worth altering things slowly to
    find an ideal position.

    Hi John, Thanks for the info. I had started riding my other mtb a few weeks
    ago on the local moors and didn't have as big a problem although there was a
    slight ache there. Since getting the new bike it seems to be worse. As you
    say though, it might just be a case of getting used to a new bike etc.
    although I feel it may be a little more than that, but you never know!

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

  13. "Chris R" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Velvet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rose said:

    Hi All

    After reading the thread about pins and needles in hands, I thought


    I'd

    Quoted message said:

    ask

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for advice on the problem I'm experiencing.

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10 miles


    or

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my


    shoulders,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour


    it

    Quoted message said:

    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    Would appreciate any advice on this. Thanks,

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk



    I just ride a hybred fro pleasure but I found pains similar to what you
    described. THese were alleviated by adjusting the bike to take weight off
    the arms. THis was achieved to a linited extent by lowering the saddle
    raising the bars and moving them towards the saddle. I don't think the
    geometry of my bike will allow me to get it to be perfect for me but it is
    certainly a lot better. I also learnt to relax my riding style more
    (Pretty well as Velevet describes) and alos ride for fun rather than to
    break any records.

    Chris

    That's the sort of adjustments I had in mind. I also don't have any
    intention of trying to break any records ;o)

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

  14. Peter Clinch said:
    Al C-F said:

    I find the same problem - when it's cold, I hunch up to stop the wind
    going down my neck.

    Perhaps I need a scarf.

    Cheaper than a recumbent, granted, but probably not as effective for
    solving the problem... ;-)


    I should think that the only time I'll go anywhere feet-first will be
    when I'm in a wooden box.

    Besides, don't you just exchange a neck-chill for a breeze up the
    trouser legs?

  15. Paul Rose said:

    Thanks for that info. I think the top tube on my bike might be a little
    longer than ideal. When you say 'a proper fitting' what exactly does that
    entail?

    In my case - I took me + bike to a good bike shop offering a fitting
    service. The put the bike on a stand/jig, then me on the bike, and had
    a good look at my position on the bike, weight distribution, etc.

    Then they tweaked as much as they could to get towards the ideal for my
    proportions. That involved moving quite a bit of stuff, they look at
    saddle height, tilt, fore/aft position, relationship between bum on
    saddle and legs/feet on pedals. Then the stem/bars - width of bars,
    height of stem, reach of stem/bars, etc. Position of STI shifters/brake
    hoods/levers.

    We got the reach on my stem (the amount of forward-pointing bit of it)
    as reduced as possible, but with a fair bit of height. I'm still
    working toward the goal of raising the saddle a little bit higher - they
    gave me a measurement which I've got tucked away somewhere and compare
    reality with occasionally.

    The upshot is that had I gone to them, I'd have a frame with a shorter
    top tube (it's fine for stand-over height etc), but I can't afford to
    change the frame, so we went with mitigating the main cause of the
    problem, which was the excessive reach generated by the stem's '7' shape
    - low, and a long reach and further drop - on an already overly long top
    tube.

    Me, I have long legs for my height but a shorter torso/arms
    proportionally. Plus, my frame is the smallest you can get from Dawes
    (it's a steel Dawes Audax) and still has 700c wheels, which imposes it's
    own limitations on the frame geometry.

    The changes that I (and latterly the shop's fitting session) made have
    transformed it from a scary-machine-of-speed-and-certain-pain to an
    enjoyable and fun ride, and made a world of difference to getting a lot
    of the weight off the hands/arms.

    One other thing though - I found regular cycling improved the muscles in
    my back, sides, stomach, torso etc, which in itself helps to support the
    torso and reduce weight on the hands. You can't train them to do that
    if the bars are way too low/far forward though, unless you already have
    good muscle tone in that area, I think, so that might be worth thinking
    about too.

    Bike on turbo (I don't like cycling in the cold/damp/stupid eejits) and
    then regular hands-off-bars to fairly slowly sit upright on bike, then
    controlled resumption of hands back on bars seems to work wonders for
    getting the muscles working to take some of the weight off the bars.

    Take too much off though (by raising bars high) and you're into the
    realm of a very skittery bike. Bike are all different mind, so yours
    might react differently to mine on that front. Top of my bars/stem are
    now level, or a whisker lower than the top surface of the saddle, and
    that seems just right for me.

    --

    Velvet

  16. Paul Rose said:

    "Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Move the bottom bracket forward until the legs are raised and attach a


    sofa.

    Very helpful!

    As you're fairly new here you might not have realised that Jon meant the
    standard u.r.c answer to hand/arm/shoulder/back/seat problems. So here's
    a picture: http://www.bikefix.co.uk/grasshopper.html

    Mike

  17. "Mike Causer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rose said:

    "Jon Senior" <jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Move the bottom bracket forward until the legs are raised and attach a


    sofa.

    Very helpful!

    As you're fairly new here you might not have realised that Jon meant the
    standard u.r.c answer to hand/arm/shoulder/back/seat problems. So here's
    a picture: http://www.bikefix.co.uk/grasshopper.html

    Mike

    Hi Mike,

    Thanks for pointing that out to me. Still not very helpful though :o)

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

  18. "DavidR" <nospam_a@t_nospam.com> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Paul Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "DavidR" <nospam_a@t_nospam.com> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    "Paul Rose" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday


    and

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10


    miles

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    or

    Quoted message said:

    > so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my
    > shoulders,
    > mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour
    > it
    > was quite painful.

    Quoted message said:

    What type of bar do you use?


    <...>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Obviously flats need bar ends and many people fit these inboard of the
    brakes.

    Thanks David. They are the standard bars that come with the Rockhopper,
    flats(?). I tried moving my hands/wrist angle etc.

    I have one of the last steel Rockhoppers and use it on skinny tyres much
    more than knobblies. Don't know if they have changed the geometry since
    then but mtb's do have longer frames than conventional bikes. It gives me


    a

    Quoted message said:

    body position similar to using the top of drop bars but with the better
    contact point and brake access.

    The factory default was fine for me. I am 5' 11". Little scope for
    adjustment without a new stem.

    First off though, try some inboard bar ends. I just use some stubbies.


    They

    Quoted message said:

    won't be wasted because they can still be used if you need to change the
    stem. It should be possible to find some for about £10 and with care it
    ought to be possible to reuse the grips.

    Hi David,

    Thanks for the info. Might be worth considering.

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

  19. "Velvet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Paul Rose said:

    Thanks for that info. I think the top tube on my bike might be a little
    longer than ideal. When you say 'a proper fitting' what exactly does


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    entail?

    In my case - I took me + bike to a good bike shop offering a fitting
    service. The put the bike on a stand/jig, then me on the bike, and had
    a good look at my position on the bike, weight distribution, etc.

    Then they tweaked as much as they could to get towards the ideal for my
    proportions. That involved moving quite a bit of stuff, they look at
    saddle height, tilt, fore/aft position, relationship between bum on
    saddle and legs/feet on pedals. Then the stem/bars - width of bars,
    height of stem, reach of stem/bars, etc. Position of STI shifters/brake
    hoods/levers.

    We got the reach on my stem (the amount of forward-pointing bit of it)
    as reduced as possible, but with a fair bit of height. I'm still
    working toward the goal of raising the saddle a little bit higher - they
    gave me a measurement which I've got tucked away somewhere and compare
    reality with occasionally.

    The upshot is that had I gone to them, I'd have a frame with a shorter
    top tube (it's fine for stand-over height etc), but I can't afford to
    change the frame, so we went with mitigating the main cause of the
    problem, which was the excessive reach generated by the stem's '7' shape
    - low, and a long reach and further drop - on an already overly long top
    tube.

    Me, I have long legs for my height but a shorter torso/arms
    proportionally. Plus, my frame is the smallest you can get from Dawes
    (it's a steel Dawes Audax) and still has 700c wheels, which imposes it's
    own limitations on the frame geometry.

    The changes that I (and latterly the shop's fitting session) made have
    transformed it from a scary-machine-of-speed-and-certain-pain to an
    enjoyable and fun ride, and made a world of difference to getting a lot
    of the weight off the hands/arms.

    One other thing though - I found regular cycling improved the muscles in
    my back, sides, stomach, torso etc, which in itself helps to support the
    torso and reduce weight on the hands. You can't train them to do that
    if the bars are way too low/far forward though, unless you already have
    good muscle tone in that area, I think, so that might be worth thinking
    about too.

    Bike on turbo (I don't like cycling in the cold/damp/stupid eejits) and
    then regular hands-off-bars to fairly slowly sit upright on bike, then
    controlled resumption of hands back on bars seems to work wonders for
    getting the muscles working to take some of the weight off the bars.

    Take too much off though (by raising bars high) and you're into the
    realm of a very skittery bike. Bike are all different mind, so yours
    might react differently to mine on that front. Top of my bars/stem are
    now level, or a whisker lower than the top surface of the saddle, and
    that seems just right for me.

    --

    Velvet

    Thanks for the feedback. That sounds a very worthwhile option. I have found
    the following www.bioracer.com which sounds similar, if not the same?, as
    you describe. Do most good bike shops offer a service such as what you
    describe or will I need to be looking for a more specialist store?

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

  20. Paul Rose said:

    Hi All

    After reading the thread about pins and needles in hands, I thought I'd ask
    for advice on the problem I'm experiencing.

    Having just purchased my bike I took it out for a spin on Saturday and
    Sunday, just around the local roads. Both rides were of only 10 miles or
    so. After about half an hour I experienced an ache across my shoulders,
    mainly in the centre of my shoulders/base of the neck. After an hour it was
    quite painful.

    Has anyone experienced similar problems and who could offer possible
    solutions/causes? Possible adjustment of the seat / bars etc? I have
    adjusted the seat height and angle but haven't tried moving the seat
    forward. I'm thinking by reducing the reach might help.

    Would appreciate any advice on this. Thanks,

    It might just be the effect of having to hold your head up to see where
    you're going.

    Your helmet's not made of lead, is it?
    --
    Michael MacClancy

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