Q: look 585 frame

ico said:

Does anyone have any experience with this carbon frame? or some link
with usefull review?

At first I ordered a colnago c50 frame, but due the terrible colnago
dealer in Slovenia and colnago customer service, after almost 3 months
after I placed may order I didn't get any inormation when can I expect
my frame. 2 years ago, I bought a colnago dream frame from the same
and only dealer, and I waited 6 months instead of 3 as promised.
Because of this I switched to different manufacturer and dealer, so I
ordered look 585 frame.
When comparing this frame with c50, they both are with lugs, made of
high modulus carbon, 585 is a bit lighter and little bit cheaper,
frame geometry is suitable for me, but I am wondering if 585 is as
stiff and comfortable as c50?! , bottom line is : did I made a mistake
switching from c50 to look 585 !?

Any comments?

regards.

How do you know that a Colnage C50 is stiff and comfortable?
Just curious. The C50 was tested in a German bicycle magazine. It wasn't
that stiff or comfortable. It was relatively heavy and very expensive
though...

Lou
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Quoted message said:

Does anyone have any experience with this carbon frame? or some link
with usefull review?

At first I ordered a colnago c50 frame, but due the terrible colnago
dealer in Slovenia and colnago customer service, after almost 3 months
after I placed may order I didn't get any inormation when can I expect
my frame. 2 years ago, I bought a colnago dream frame from the same
and only dealer, and I waited 6 months instead of 3 as promised.
Because of this I switched to different manufacturer and dealer, so I
ordered look 585 frame.
When comparing this frame with c50, they both are with lugs, made of
high modulus carbon, 585 is a bit lighter and little bit cheaper,
frame geometry is suitable for me, but I am wondering if 585 is as
stiff and comfortable as c50?! , bottom line is : did I made a mistake
switching from c50 to look 585 !?

Dear Ico!

I must assure you that what jou have done is an big mistake. As an owner of
Colnago C50 i can tell you that there isn't souch a two wheel harmony
anywhere else. C50 with many carbon parts and light low spoke wheeles is the
meaniest machine ever. Sure, you can use some Look parts on your bike, but
the frame just has to be C50. It is the most beautiful bike ever, and the
benchmark for others.
I also niticed that my Colnago C50 is aprox. 1,17% faster than the fastest
road bike I have owned so far (which was Colnago too, ofcourse). When I
combine my apparel with the color of the frame, all other cyclist stare at
me and all I can see is the envy in their eyes. Here where I live we have a
small club of Colnago riders called "Preseratori", and owning an Carbon C-50
with 10sp Dura-Ace is a joining condotion. If ju get one you are more than
wellcome, else....I'm sorry.
So....in the end I can tell you only one thing. Get C50 at any cost. Do
whatever it takes to get one. Do not buy Look because you'll end up buying
C50 next season....Look just isn't that, and every serious cyclist will make
fun of you.
Preserator has spoken.

Primarium Preseratorum Rex

ico said:

Any comments?

Don't be a fool. Look 585 weights 1,285g WITH the fork. Frame alone weights
just 990g. That is too f**** light, and when I say too light, I mean it. First
time you crash it is likley you'll trash it. So, be a smart boy and buy
something with mor meat on it. 486 frame looks very goot and isn't stupidly
light like 585. If pro riders car ride 486 it will be more than enough for you.
There are also some nice (custom) steel frames that will serve you for the
lifetime...or you are one of those smart asses that are too fast for the steel?
🙂))

Quoted message said:

When I combine my apparel with the color of the frame, all other cyclist stare at
me and all I can see is the envy in their eyes. Here where I live we have a
small club of Colnago riders called "Preseratori", and owning an Carbon C-50
with 10sp Dura-Ace is a joining condotion. If ju get one you are more than
wellcome, else....I'm sorry.

It's easy to spot this is a [censored] story, no Colnago owner
would use Shimano [censored] on his Italian bike.

"preserator no.1" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

"ico" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Does anyone have any experience with this carbon frame? or some link
with usefull review?

At first I ordered a colnago c50 frame, but due the terrible colnago
dealer in Slovenia and colnago customer service, after almost 3 months
after I placed may order I didn't get any inormation when can I expect
my frame. 2 years ago, I bought a colnago dream frame from the same
and only dealer, and I waited 6 months instead of 3 as promised.
Because of this I switched to different manufacturer and dealer, so I
ordered look 585 frame.
When comparing this frame with c50, they both are with lugs, made of
high modulus carbon, 585 is a bit lighter and little bit cheaper,
frame geometry is suitable for me, but I am wondering if 585 is as
stiff and comfortable as c50?! , bottom line is : did I made a mistake
switching from c50 to look 585 !?

Dear Ico!

I must assure you that what jou have done is an big mistake. As an owner of
Colnago C50 i can tell you that there isn't souch a two wheel harmony
anywhere else. C50 with many carbon parts and light low spoke wheeles is the
meaniest machine ever. Sure, you can use some Look parts on your bike, but
the frame just has to be C50. It is the most beautiful bike ever, and the
benchmark for others.
I also niticed that my Colnago C50 is aprox. 1,17% faster than the fastest
road bike I have owned so far (which was Colnago too, ofcourse). When I
combine my apparel with the color of the frame, all other cyclist stare at
me and all I can see is the envy in their eyes. Here where I live we have a
small club of Colnago riders called "Preseratori", and owning an Carbon C-50
with 10sp Dura-Ace is a joining condotion. If ju get one you are more than
wellcome, else....I'm sorry.
So....in the end I can tell you only one thing. Get C50 at any cost. Do
whatever it takes to get one. Do not buy Look because you'll end up buying
C50 next season....Look just isn't that, and every serious cyclist will make
fun of you.
Preserator has spoken.

Primarium Preseratorum Rex

ico said:

Does anyone have any experience with this carbon frame? or some link
with usefull review?

At first I ordered a colnago c50 frame, but due the terrible colnago
dealer in Slovenia and colnago customer service, after almost 3

months

Quoted message said:

after I placed may order I didn't get any inormation when can I

expect

Quoted message said:

my frame. 2 years ago, I bought a colnago dream frame from the same
and only dealer, and I waited 6 months instead of 3 as promised.
Because of this I switched to different manufacturer and dealer, so I
ordered look 585 frame.
When comparing this frame with c50, they both are with lugs, made of
high modulus carbon, 585 is a bit lighter and little bit cheaper,
frame geometry is suitable for me, but I am wondering if 585 is as
stiff and comfortable as c50?! , bottom line is : did I made a

mistake

Quoted message said:

switching from c50 to look 585 !?

Any comments?
Rocco is right, the Look 486 is very solid and a great bike, with

Campy of course!

Quoted message said:

regards.

preserator no.1 said:

Dear Ico!

I must assure you that what jou have done is an big mistake. As an owner of
Colnago C50 i can tell you that there isn't souch a two wheel harmony
anywhere else. C50 with many carbon parts and light low spoke wheeles is the
meaniest machine ever. Sure, you can use some Look parts on your bike, but
the frame just has to be C50. It is the most beautiful bike ever, and the
benchmark for others.
I also niticed that my Colnago C50 is aprox. 1,17% faster than the fastest
road bike I have owned so far (which was Colnago too, ofcourse). When I
combine my apparel with the color of the frame, all other cyclist stare at
me and all I can see is the envy in their eyes. Here where I live we have a
small club of Colnago riders called "Preseratori", and owning an Carbon C-50
with 10sp Dura-Ace is a joining condotion. If ju get one you are more than
wellcome, else....I'm sorry.
So....in the end I can tell you only one thing. Get C50 at any cost. Do
whatever it takes to get one. Do not buy Look because you'll end up buying
C50 next season....Look just isn't that, and every serious cyclist will make
fun of you.
Preserator has spoken.

Fabrizio Mazzoleni finally has competition for "Narcissistic Cyclist of
the Year"! 😉

--
Tom Sherman - Earth

ico wrote:

The 585 frame was tested in TOUR magazine this month and I have a review in
a french magazine called Le Cycle. What exactly do you want to know about
it?

BTW: TOUR tested a very cheap carbon frame, sold by a german mail order bike
company as being the best laightweight carbon frame around. It's called
Canyon F10. It's weight is under 1 KG. Most people, myself included, don't
find it very beautiful, but they made the choice of putting function before
beauty......

If you have a racing license, you can get it for 99 Euros. otherwise it's
1300 Euros.

http://www.canyon.de/rennraeder/index.html?b=37

Greets, Derk

I'm sorry: that should be "lightweight".

Derk

ico wrote:

The 585 frame was tested in TOUR magazine this month and I have a review in
a french magazine called Le Cycle. What exactly do you want to know about
it?

BTW: TOUR tested a very cheap carbon frame, sold by a german mail order bike
company as being the best lightweight carbon frame around. It's called
Canyon F10. It's weight is under 1 KG. Most people, myself included, don't
find it very beautiful, but they made the choice of putting function before
beauty......

If you have a racing license, you can get it for 999 Euros. otherwise it's
1300 Euros.

http://www.canyon.de/rennraeder/index.html?b=37

Greets, Derk

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:07:22 +0100, Derk <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The 585 frame was tested in TOUR magazine this month and I have a review in
a french magazine called Le Cycle. What exactly do you want to know about
it?

Could you scan the LeCycle article and share it on-line?

C50-<< Sure, you can use some Look parts on your bike, but
the frame just has to be C50. It is the most beautiful bike ever, and the
benchmark for others. >><BR><BR>

Glad you like your C50 but not a bechmark...The technology to build this has
been present in Calfee Lunas for about 12 years, plus titanium dropouts, for
1/3 the price.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:07:22 +0100, Derk <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

The 585 frame was tested in TOUR magazine this month and I have a review in
a french magazine called Le Cycle. What exactly do you want to know about
it?

Tnx, I will buy "tour" magazine nad read it. Maybe you could tell in
few words what they said about this frame in this French magazine,
particulary regarding the comfort and stability.

Quoted message said:

BTW: TOUR tested a very cheap carbon frame, sold by a german mail order bike
company as being the best lightweight carbon frame around. It's called
Canyon F10. It's weight is under 1 KG. Most people, myself included, don't
find it very beautiful, but they made the choice of putting function before
beauty......

i like funktion, but beauty as well :-))

regards,
Ivan

Lou Holtman said:

How do you know that a Colnage C50 is stiff and comfortable?
Just curious. The C50 was tested in a German bicycle magazine. It wasn't
that stiff or comfortable. It was relatively heavy and very expensive
though...

I had a plesure to ride a colnago c40 for few weeks, and I was hooked
on carbon since than. It was my first contact with carbon, and I find
it very stiff and comfort. when I ordrerd my c50 I read lot of
reviews, and common opinon was that c50 is a top carbon frame on the
market. colnago frames in general are litlle bit to expencive, but
then if you want it, as I did, you are willing to pay for it, if you
can :-)

regards,
Ivan

Rocco Longbone said:

Don't be a fool. Look 585 weights 1,285g WITH the fork. Frame alone weights
just 990g. That is too f**** light, and when I say too light, I mean it. First
time you crash it is likley you'll trash it. So, be a smart boy and buy
something with mor meat on it. 486 frame looks very goot and isn't stupidly
light like 585. If pro riders car ride 486 it will be more than enough for you.

At first i considered 486 frame, and I've seen this frame in my
dealers store and i didn't find it pretty. Then I saw 585 frame, and I
loved it, so I ordered it :-)
I'm little bit worried about the weight of the frame, but Christophe
Moreau ride it in tour last year, and he was very satisfied, and for
2005 both kelme i agricole are riding on 585 frames. So, I belive if
this frame can handle "the big boys" , myself shouldn't be a problem.
:-)

Quoted message said:

There are also some nice (custom) steel frames that will serve you for the
lifetime...or you are one of those smart asses that are too fast for the steel?
🙂))

I'm riding a steel frame as my second bike .-) I love steel especially
masterxlight frame, it's a beauty.Now, I wan't a carbon frame:-)

regards.
Ivan

ico said:

On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 10:07:22 +0100, Derk <[email hidden]>
wrote:
Tnx, I will buy "tour" magazine nad read it.

It's not a big test, but it's part of a series of bikes they test.

Quoted message said:

Maybe you could tell in
few words what they said about this frame in this French magazine,
particulary regarding the comfort and stability.

I'll read the test again tonight and post the findings of it tomorrow
morning. They were very positive I can say already, but found the price
high.

Quoted message said:

i like funktion, but beauty as well :-))

So do I!

Greets, Derk

ico said:

I'm little bit worried about the weight of the frame, but Christophe
Moreau ride it in tour last year, and he was very satisfied, and for
2005 both kelme i agricole are riding on 585 frames. So, I belive if
this frame can handle "the big boys" , myself shouldn't be a problem.
:-)

Are you sure it can handle them? I saw many superlight carbon frames being
totaly destroyed in crashes on pro races. Also those guys are SPONSORED...you
know what is that? 🙂) They ride what they must. Noone knows how many frames
they brake during training and in races. You won't see it on TV, and it doesn't
mean they don't if you don't see it. I bet they don't even ride those frames on
training.
I would never buy superlight frame like 585 because I know I would be afraid to
ride it hard. If you don't like the looks of 486 there are 555 and 461 that are
almoast exactley designed as 585 but much more durable. And guess what....they
are all full carbon 🙂)
My oppinion is that if you have to pay for it than you don't need it....you are
not a racer, if you were you would get it for free. If you need to have a bike
with charisma there are many bikes that are just as cool as 585 which I
wouldn't fear to ride.
But in the end it is your money and you can do whatever you wish with it. I
think you have already choosen and nothing can make you change your mid 🙂)
I'm very sad when I see so many guys riding Record, Dura-Ace, Ksyriums and
stuff like that, thinking that they need it to be fast.

Test of LOOK 585:

Quickly:
-200 grams lighter than the previous top-model
-Comfortable ride
-Fork less comfortable than previous model, but laterally very stiff.
-Steerer tube stiff enough for (rather)light cyclists
-Paint chips off easily (I can confirm that myself).

Weight 57 CM frame =1052, weight of fork= 330 grams

Greets, Derk

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 22:07:43 +0100, Derk <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Test of LOOK 585:

Quickly:
-200 grams lighter than the previous top-model
-Comfortable ride
-Fork less comfortable than previous model, but laterally very stiff.
-Steerer tube stiff enough for (rather)light cyclists
-Paint chips off easily (I can confirm that myself).

Weight 57 CM frame =1052, weight of fork= 330 grams

Greets, Derk

thanx derek.

regrads.

Hi,

ico wrote:

I reread the LOOK 585 test in Le Cycle (don't have access to a scanner that
works under Linux, sorry!.

It says disadvantages are:
-geometry (?)
-High price
-Fragile paint (again!)
-Though the weight suggests it's a climbers bike, one needs a lot of force
to move the partthat holds the bottom bracket. In othr words: while
climbing, you have to get out of the saddle when you start riding slower,
to relaunch the bike.

At first I was always puzzled by what they mean by that, but I once took a
Carbon bike to France and it was as stiff as a board. While climbing I
needed to ride a cog lighter than with my previous bike. I then took my
LOOK 461 with me and I immediately felt the difference: I could stay in the
saddle longer. The bike is more forgiving. I shift gears less often.

Hope this helps you a bit.

Greets, Derk