jan 25th...gone.

I think the cycling career of TH just died a quiet death.

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I think the cycling career of TH just died a quiet death.

Perhaps, but it is possible that his hearing was delayed at the request of
one of the parties. It's still odd that there has been no word at all. His
last missive on his web site was December 12th.

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I think the cycling career of TH just died a quiet death.

Perhaps, but it is possible that his hearing was delayed at the request of
one of the parties. It's still odd that there has been no word at all. His
last missive on his web site was December 12th.

The other possibility is that just because the hearing was on the
25th, it doesn't predicate the report from the arbitration coming out
on the 25th. The decision of the arbitration panel has to be debated,
reached, typed up, and then communicated to the athlete and the USADA.
Then the USADA issues a press release.

For instance, in the case of Adam Sbeih, who tested positive for rEPO,
the hearing was on March 14th, with the arbitration ruling (and the
press reelease from USADA) coming on the 25th.

So I would guess we whould hear something (if, indeed, the hearing did
take place) around the end of the first week of February, or shortly
thereafter.

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I think the cycling career of TH just died a quiet death.

Perhaps, but it is possible that his hearing was delayed at the request of
one of the parties. It's still odd that there has been no word at all.
His
last missive on his web site was December 12th.

The other possibility is that just because the hearing was on the
25th, it doesn't predicate the report from the arbitration coming out
on the 25th. The decision of the arbitration panel has to be debated,
reached, typed up, and then communicated to the athlete and the USADA.
Then the USADA issues a press release.

For instance, in the case of Adam Sbeih, who tested positive for rEPO,
the hearing was on March 14th, with the arbitration ruling (and the
press reelease from USADA) coming on the 25th.

So I would guess we whould hear something (if, indeed, the hearing did
take place) around the end of the first week of February, or shortly
thereafter.

You're correct in that no decision will be reached for weeks or months after
a hearing. The question is whether or not a hearing took place and will
Tyler or his lawyer tell us what his defense was.

On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:36:19 GMT, "B Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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You're correct in that no decision will be reached for weeks or months after
a hearing. The question is whether or not a hearing took place and will
Tyler or his lawyer tell us what his defense was.

Yep. One observation would be thet *if* a hearing did take place on
the 25th, then the news ain't very good for TH, otherwise they'd have
ahd the press conference announcing his 2005 schedule. Or at least,
that's what I'd imagine would happen if he were exhonorated...

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On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:36:19 GMT, "B Lafferty" <[email hidden]>

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You're correct in that no decision will be reached for weeks or months
after
a hearing. The question is whether or not a hearing took place and will
Tyler or his lawyer tell us what his defense was.

Yep. One observation would be thet *if* a hearing did take place on
the 25th, then the news ain't very good for TH, otherwise they'd have
ahd the press conference announcing his 2005 schedule. Or at least,
that's what I'd imagine would happen if he were exhonorated...

Stay tuned. I have a feeling there will be some news forthcoming soon.

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I think the cycling career of TH just died a quiet death.

Perhaps, but it is possible that his hearing was delayed at the request of
one of the parties. It's still odd that there has been no word at all. His
last missive on his web site was December 12th.

It is also very possible that the hearing took place as scheduled, but that
there will be no news of it until the arbitration panel reaches their
decision which may take days or weeks of consideration.

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I think the cycling career of TH just died a quiet death.

Perhaps, but it is possible that his hearing was delayed at the request
of
one of the parties. It's still odd that there has been no word at all.
His
last missive on his web site was December 12th.

It is also very possible that the hearing took place as scheduled, but
that
there will be no news of it until the arbitration panel reaches their
decision which may take days or weeks of consideration.

That's possible. However, I have to agree with SH that if Tyler had
presented a strong case, he's be out there doing pr spin. Time will tell. I
wonder if Perez will have anything to say about Tyler once he's suspended.

Perhaps, it's just better to keep quite until there is a verdict as his
case, assuming he's right, will highlight that the type 2 error (a positive
when it should be a negative) is too high.

The XXADA's can't have that and Tyler can't be wrong; there needs to be an
answer where both parties needs are served. That answer is not clear to me;
assuming TH did nothing wrong as he claims.

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> I think the cycling career of TH just died a quiet death.
>

Perhaps, but it is possible that his hearing was delayed at the request
of
one of the parties. It's still odd that there has been no word at all.
His
last missive on his web site was December 12th.

It is also very possible that the hearing took place as scheduled, but
that
there will be no news of it until the arbitration panel reaches their
decision which may take days or weeks of consideration.

That's possible. However, I have to agree with SH that if Tyler had
presented a strong case, he's be out there doing pr spin. Time will tell.

I

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wonder if Perez will have anything to say about Tyler once he's suspended.

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Perhaps, it's just better to keep quite until there is a verdict as his
case, assuming he's right, will highlight that the type 2 error (a
positive
when it should be a negative) is too high.

The XXADA's can't have that

If Tyler can prove that he did nothing wrong, the test simply produced a
false positive, then why would the XXADAs have a problem? Would they not
simply have to stop using the test until further study had been done,
vindicate Hamilton and un-suspend / recheck Perez? Not that much of an
issue.

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and Tyler can't be wrong; there needs to be an
answer where both parties needs are served. That answer is not clear to
me;
assuming TH did nothing wrong as he claims.

I do think that is a bit ass-u-me.

Peter

Seems to me, on the XXADA side it's dealing with the integrity of the whole
testing system -- a false positive is not big deal in science class, it
seems it is when it's your career as either the rider or the drug police, in
some ways it's like the southern baptist and moonshiners, neither want
liquor legalized.

Anyway looking at Eurosport, it seems Tyler was waiting on Perez's outcome
as this was in the article about Perez "Hamilton is scheduled to be heard by
an appeals court of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency next month".

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Perhaps, it's just better to keep quite until there is a verdict as his
case, assuming he's right, will highlight that the type 2 error (a
positive
when it should be a negative) is too high.

The XXADA's can't have that

If Tyler can prove that he did nothing wrong, the test simply produced a
false positive, then why would the XXADAs have a problem? Would they not
simply have to stop using the test until further study had been done,
vindicate Hamilton and un-suspend / recheck Perez? Not that much of an
issue.

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and Tyler can't be wrong; there needs to be an
answer where both parties needs are served. That answer is not clear to
me;
assuming TH did nothing wrong as he claims.

I do think that is a bit ass-u-me.

Peter

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Anyway looking at Eurosport, it seems Tyler was waiting on Perez's outcome
as this was in the article about Perez "Hamilton is scheduled to be heard
by
an appeals court of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency next month".

It would appear that his hearing has been adjourned. The reason for that is
unknown. That he is/was waiting on Perez might be true, but is speculation
on your part unless you have something specific to point to.

Your right it is speculation.

Also, I and presume we don't know if Tyler hearing was adjourned, postponed,
canceled, or conducted with an embargo to the press.

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Anyway looking at Eurosport, it seems Tyler was waiting on Perez's

outcome

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as this was in the article about Perez "Hamilton is scheduled to be

heard

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by
an appeals court of the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency next month".

It would appear that his hearing has been adjourned. The reason for that

is

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unknown. That he is/was waiting on Perez might be true, but is

speculation

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on your part unless you have something specific to point to.