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  1. I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well with
    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the modern,
    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side? I
    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates the
    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

  2. Jim Smith said:

    I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well


    with

    Quoted message said:

    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the


    modern,

    Quoted message said:

    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side? I
    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates the
    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

    Left-side-arm dual pivot calipers do exist, but they're generally used
    on oddball applications like short-wheelbase recumbents where the chain
    goes past the right side of the caliper.

    It won't hurt the cables to be wired "opposite". There's enough
    flexibility- by far- to allow it to work well. Don't worry about the
    "S" curve.

    Jeff

  3. quote=''Jim Smith said:

    I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well


    with

    Quoted message said:

    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the


    modern,

    Quoted message said:

    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side? I
    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates the
    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

    Left-side-arm dual pivot calipers do exist, but they're generally used
    on oddball applications like short-wheelbase recumbents where the chain
    goes past the right side of the caliper.

    It won't hurt the cables to be wired "opposite". There's enough
    flexibility- by far- to allow it to work well. Don't worry about the
    "S" curve.

    Jeff[/QUOTE]

    Australian bikes have front brake on the right, works fine with campy and shimano brifters. Makes enormous sense to me to have the hand that has the most finesse for most people on the most important brake.

  4. In Australia it is a safety requirement (as are reflectors!!) that new bikes
    sold must have the rear brake lever on the left, so that when turning right
    a hand signal can be given while braking. (Reverse all of the those
    directions for the USA).

    Having said that, I have all my bikes set up in the US way as I prefer that
    my stronger right hand pulls on the weaker rear brake.

    There are no problems with cables either way; do what you want.

    Justin Vincent

    "PiledHigher" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:
    Jim Smith said:

    I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well


    with

    Quoted message said:

    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the


    modern,

    Quoted message said:

    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side?


    I

    Quoted message said:

    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates


    the

    Quoted message said:

    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

    Left-side-arm dual pivot calipers do exist, but they're generally used
    on oddball applications like short-wheelbase recumbents where the
    chain
    goes past the right side of the caliper.

    It won't hurt the cables to be wired "opposite". There's enough
    flexibility- by far- to allow it to work well. Don't worry about the
    "S" curve.

    Jeff

    Australian bikes have front brake on the right, works fine with campy
    and shimano brifters. Makes enormous sense to me to have the hand that
    has the most finesse for most people on the most important brake.

    --
    PiledHigher

  5. Jim Smith composed the following;:

    Quoted message said:

    I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well with
    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the modern,
    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side? I
    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates the
    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

    We, in UK, have this setup as standard on almost all bikes. Maybe you
    could easily source any components you need from a UK based shop.

    --
    The Caretaker.
    www.4x4prejudice.org
    A balanced argument.

  6. Jim Smith said:

    I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well with
    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the modern,
    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side? I
    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates the
    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

    I use right-front brakes and I've never had any problems with "normal"
    calipers (inc Campagnolo), maybe cos my large frames allow a gentle cable
    curvature.

    Alhonga deep drop dual pivot calipers have the cable on the "other" side.
    Available from St John Street Cycles, UK.

    ~PB, UK

  7. isn't the difference between front and rear brakes just the side where
    the cable attaches?
    just swap your front and rear brakes and recable...

  8. "Jim Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well with
    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the modern,
    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side? I
    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates the
    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

    Add length to your cable housing, and try to give it the largest radius
    possible without it being obtrusive. This will reduce friction.

    All my bikes have been switched front-right. The MTB needs the cable routed
    around the headtube and back to the same side of the cable stop on the top
    tube. A little tight but not a problem.

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

  9. "Phil, Squid-in-Training" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    "Jim Smith" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well with
    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the modern,
    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side? I
    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates the
    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

    Add length to your cable housing, and try to give it the largest radius
    possible without it being obtrusive. This will reduce friction.

    All my bikes have been switched front-right. The MTB needs the cable


    routed

    Quoted message said:

    around the headtube and back to the same side of the cable stop on the top
    tube. A little tight but not a problem.

    Why is it so hard to operate the front brake with your left hand when you
    are righthanded? You can operate all modern brakes just by pulling with one
    or two fingers and still get more then enough brake power. I don't get it.

    Lou

  10. Lou Holtman said:

    Why is it so hard to operate the front brake with your left hand when you
    are righthanded? You can operate all modern brakes just by pulling with one
    or two fingers and still get more then enough brake power. I don't get it.

    It's not that it's so "hard" but there are reasons to prefer this set
    up, as I do.

    I go into some detail on this topic at http://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn

    Sheldon "Right Front" Brown
    +-------------------------------------------------+
    | What is good for you is what is good for you. |
    | --Peter Chisholm |
    +-------------------------------------------------+
    Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
    Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
    http://harriscyclery.com
    Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
    http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

  11. Justin Vincent said:

    In Australia it is a safety requirement (as are reflectors!!) that
    new bikes sold must have the rear brake lever on the left, so that
    when turning right a hand signal can be given while
    braking. (Reverse all of the those directions for the USA).

    Are you sure it isn't that the front brake must be on the right hand?

    I find that description odd. So what does that say to motorcyclists
    who seem to all have the front brake on the right for reasons that
    appeal to me. Roughly 90% of people are right handed, according to
    researchers, therefore putting the more important front brake under
    control of the right hand is reasonable. That the front brake is
    primary has been established on motor vehicles as well as bicycles.

    The hand signal argument is specious, considering that at bicycle
    speeds, braking for a turn in traffic can begin merely tens of feet
    before turning, by which time a needed hand signal should already have
    been given. Signaling while turning is useless since by that time its
    benefit has ceased.

    Quoted message said:

    Having said that, I have all my bikes set up in the US way as I
    prefer that my stronger right hand pulls on the weaker rear brake.

    I don't see the benefit of having the front brake on the less skilled
    weaker (for most riders) left hand.

    Quoted message said:

    There are no problems with cables either way; do what you want.

    That's definitely a benefit of flexible control cables.

    Jobst Brandt
    [email hidden]

  12. Lou Holtman wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:


    Why is it so hard to operate the front brake with your left hand when you
    are righthanded? You can operate all modern brakes just by pulling with one
    or two fingers and still get more then enough brake power. I don't get it.

    Lou

    It isn't difficult; either way works fine once you learn it. My
    reasons for right-front braking:

    First bike with hand brakes was an "English Racer" (Sturmey-Archer
    3-speed), about 1960, set up that way. Old dogs and new tricks.

    Motorcycles have right-front braking. If you ride both, less likely
    to get confused in a panic situation.

    I'd rather have my better hand on the more critical front brake. For
    me, as a right-hander, this is the right hand. I've seen arguments
    on this forum that right-handers have better control with the left
    hand, but that's counter to my experience.

    I don't buy what I think was the reason for left-front on U.S.
    bikes, that the front brake is dangerous and the back is safe, so
    it's better to put the natural hand for most people on the safe
    brake.

    It's good enough for Mario Cippolini (although to be serious, from
    looking at photos of European pros, the great majority now use
    left-front).

    Dave Lehnen

  13. I run all my bikes right-side-front. Never had a cable routing problem
    at all - the cable makes a nice single bend from the right side of the
    bar (where it comes out from under tha bar tape) to the left side of
    the brake. I think the routing is BETTER than for a left-side-front
    setup, where the cable needs to make a much tigher bend.

    You might need to adjust the length of the brake housing, if the stock
    was too long or too short.

  14. Quoted message said:
    Jim Smith said:

    I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well


    with

    Quoted message said:

    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the


    modern,

    Quoted message said:

    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side? I
    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates the
    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

    Left-side-arm dual pivot calipers do exist, but they're generally used
    on oddball applications like short-wheelbase recumbents where the chain
    goes past the right side of the caliper.

    It won't hurt the cables to be wired "opposite". There's enough
    flexibility- by far- to allow it to work well. Don't worry about the
    "S" curve.

    Yes, it works fine. I have a couple bikes like that. It's just that I
    am putting a new bike together and I don't have any calipers for it
    yet. Having the cable on the "correct" side would be more elegant, if
    it is possible to do.

    Do you happen to know who makes those calipers with my prefered
    chirality?

  15. On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 21:20:11 -0600, Jim Smith <[email hidden]>

    may have said:

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side?

    Yes, as mentioned elsewhere. I have also seen a modified V-brake
    noodle used at the end of the regular cable to provide the second half
    of the S-curve in a short radius gracefully.

    --
    My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail.
    Typoes are not a bug, they're a feature.
    Words processed in a facility that contains nuts.

  16. Pete Biggs said:
    Jim Smith said:

    I like to use the right lever for my front brake. This works well with
    the old side pull style calipers because at least some of them have
    the cable on the left side. It isn't so great with any of the modern,
    dual pivot calipers I have seen because they all are set up for the
    cable on the right side. This makes the cable routing not so neat.
    My bikes with dual pivot or cantilever brakes end up with an S curve
    in the cable.

    Are any dual pivot calipers made with the cable on the other side? I
    thought I heard somewhere that in some countries the law mandates the
    front brake on the right lever. How are the cables routed on these
    bikes? What do other folks do about this issue?

    I use right-front brakes and I've never had any problems with "normal"
    calipers (inc Campagnolo), maybe cos my large frames allow a gentle cable
    curvature.

    Alhonga deep drop dual pivot calipers have the cable on the "other" side.
    Available from St John Street Cycles, UK.

    Thanks!
    I found a picture and review of this unit here:

    http://www.63xc.com/willm/alhonga.htm

    I'll see if I can't get a look at one in person.

  17. hhu uuhh said:

    isn't the difference between front and rear brakes just the side where
    the cable attaches?
    just swap your front and rear brakes and recable...

    Nope. The cable is on the same side. I think the only differance is
    the length of the stud.

  18. sunderland said:

    I run all my bikes right-side-front. Never had a cable routing problem
    at all - the cable makes a nice single bend from the right side of the
    bar (where it comes out from under tha bar tape) to the left side of
    the brake. I think the routing is BETTER than for a left-side-front
    setup, where the cable needs to make a much tigher bend.

    Hmm... You describe what I am looking for: a brake with the cable on
    the left side. (that is, with the brake mounted to the front of the
    fork the cable will appear on the left to a rider in the saddle.) All
    the dual pivot and V brakes I have seen have the cable on the other
    side. What sort of brakes are those on your bike?

  19. Quoted message said:

    I find that description odd. So what does that say to motorcyclists
    who seem to all have the front brake on the right for reasons that
    appeal to me. Roughly 90% of people are right handed, according to
    researchers, therefore putting the more important front brake under
    control of the right hand is reasonable. That the front brake is
    primary has been established on motor vehicles as well as bicycles.

    Dear Jobst,

    Which hand is used for what is a perennial question.

    The right hand is usually stronger, but despite most
    comments, it's usually less sensitive.

    We do write, paint, and bow stringed instruments with our
    right hands, but those are all actually a wrist and forearm
    movement, not any fine finger control.

    Most people use their clumsier but more powerful dominant
    hand for whacking things with hammers (or pushing or
    pulling), and their weaker but more delicate non-dominant
    hand for holding the nail precisely or threading the cable
    into the housing.

    Surgeons usually fumble around in your innards with their
    more sensitive non-dominant hand when they're trying to feel
    lumps, but squeeze forceps and slash with their more
    powerful dominant hand.

    The more sensitive and nimble non-dominant hand is usually
    the one that you use to grab the elusive end of the string
    between thumb and forefinger when tying or untying knots.

    Getting back to two-wheeled vehicle controls . . .

    One hand may be needed for the signal to cross oncoming
    traffic, which in turn depends on which side of the road you
    ride on.

    Bicycles usually use the more sensitive left hand for the
    important front brake, perhaps because sensitivity matters
    more than power for the ordinary rider, who's more likely to
    skid the front tire on a dirty or sandy spot on the pavement
    than to suffer forearm cramps descending the Alps.

    But motorcycles have more controls than bicycles, and they
    work differently.

    The dominant control on all motorcycles is the right-hand
    twist-grip throttle. Like writing, painting, or bowing,
    rolling the throttle on and off is a wrist and forearm
    movement--as opposed to picking your nose, you can work a
    motorcycle throttle just fine while wearing heavy mittens.

    If you're working the throttle, you also have to shift
    gears, which means that your other hand must be free to pull
    the clutch lever. Since your right hand is busy rolling the
    throttle back and forth, the left hand is used for the
    clutch when shifting.

    Now we need a third hand to work the front brake . . .

    Well, if you're braking normally, you're not working the
    throttle with your right hand, but you may be pulling the
    clutch in with your left, so motorcycles put the front brake
    on the right.

    (If you're doing delicate trials work and descending a nasty
    slope, you leave the clutch alone, squeeze the bejesus out
    of the front brake with your right hand and simultaneously
    work the throttle, giving the rear wheel a little gas to
    hook up again whenever engine braking at idle becomes so
    great that the rear wheel breaks loose, skids, and loses
    traction. Luckily, only tiny motions are needed to adjust
    the throttle at this speed.)

    The rear brake is worked with one foot, while the gear shift
    is worked with the other. Which side was gearshift and which
    was brake not standardized until the 1970's. Now pretty much
    all gearshifts are on the left.

    Standarization is a good idea. Some old machines not only
    shifted on the right, but also reversed the normal pattern
    so that you pushed down for low.I once roared off on a
    Ducati 350 after sitting for quite a while and forgetting
    that the gearshift was on the right and that I needed to
    push down for second gear. Instead of getting second gear as
    I expected on my other motorcycles, I stomped on the rear
    brake with the clutch in.

    The automatic transmission Honda 90 of the 1960's had no
    clutch, so an almost useless left-hand rear brake lever was
    added to the normal rear foot brake.

    Curiously, most people who ride motorcycles and bicycles
    have little trouble reaching for the correct lever to make
    the front wheel slow down, probably because the riding
    styles are so different, with the throttle on one being your
    right hand, while your legs are the throttle on the other.

    Carl Fogel

  20. Quoted message said:

    Which hand is used for what is a perennial question.

    The right hand is usually stronger, but despite most
    comments, it's usually less sensitive.

    Any evidence for this?

    Quoted message said:

    We do write, paint, and bow stringed instruments with our
    right hands, but those are all actually a wrist and forearm
    movement, not any fine finger control.

    True, and the left hand seems to have the harder job.

    Quoted message said:

    Most people use their clumsier but more powerful dominant
    hand for whacking things with hammers (or pushing or
    pulling), and their weaker but more delicate non-dominant
    hand for holding the nail precisely or threading the cable
    into the housing.

    I suspect there would be more smashed fingers if you tried it the
    other way around, and not because the nail was moving.

    Quoted message said:

    Surgeons usually fumble around in your innards with their
    more sensitive non-dominant hand when they're trying to feel
    lumps, but squeeze forceps and slash with their more
    powerful dominant hand.

    The tools are designed to be used in the right hand, they don't work
    as well in the left. (watch a left handed surgical tainee some time,
    they have problems at first.) If the tool goes in your right hand,
    you will tend to root around with your left.

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