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  1. My Ultegra 6500 double crank failed catastrophically on me. The drive
    side crank arm snapped midway. I was pedaling out of the saddle and as
    a result landed hard and fractured my collarbone.

    Here is one snap of the crank:
    http://www.nycc.org/images/pics/crkcrank.jpg
    Caveat: it's not the best photo, with one hand available and the bike
    being stored drive-side in on the rack.

    The crank is ~7 years old and was purchased within the first few months
    of the 9 speed edition of Ultegra. Never crashed and had maybe 30-35K
    miles on it.

    Oddly enough only a few rides earlier, I had done my annual (winter)
    overhaul on the bike. This included cleaning and relubing the bottom
    bracket (b.b.) and bib. shell.

    Subsequently while riding I detected a faint tick noise when pedaling
    hard. I thought it was either a loose b.b. or a gearing adjustment was
    needed. No such luck.

  2. "Sir, It's Just Me" <nospam?@thanks?.?> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My Ultegra 6500 double crank failed catastrophically on me.

    I object !!! You'd think the recent tsunami results would curb such misuse
    of language (or such egocentric spewing), but no, this guy has to have a
    CATASTROPHIC failure. Bad deal with the shoulder, but, get real. Write
    like a human, not like a lawyer (BTW, I am a lawyer).
    --
    Bonne route,

    Sandy
    Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

  3. Sandy said:

    "Sir, It's Just Me" <nospam?@thanks?.?> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My Ultegra 6500 double crank failed catastrophically on me.

    I object !!! You'd think the recent tsunami results would curb such
    misuse of language (or such egocentric spewing), but no, this guy has to
    have a CATASTROPHIC failure. Bad deal with the shoulder, but, get
    real. Write like a human, not like a lawyer (BTW, I am a lawyer).

    Catastrophic failure is geek jargon, not laywer spew.

    Catastrophic failure scales from "letting the smoke out" of an
    electronic circuit to bridge failure and plane crashes.

    This _is_ a geek froup. Just ask Jobst.

    HTH.

    --
    BMO - Not a lawyer, but a geek to the bone.

  4. Sandy said:

    I object !!! You'd think the recent tsunami results would curb such
    misuse of language (or such egocentric spewing), but no, this guy has to
    have a CATASTROPHIC failure. Bad deal with the shoulder, but, get
    real. Write like a human, not like a lawyer (BTW, I am a lawyer).

    tsunami "results"? egocentric? curbing? huh? Are you having a rough day
    at the office?

    Ok, so I did not use the word in it's purest form, but "catastrophic
    failure" produced ~679,000 hits in Google (not to be confused with
    GOOGOL ;-) I'd say that's pretty common usage. Perhaps instead of
    simply writing "catastrophic", I should of elected something more
    tiring, verbose and in melodramatic fashion like "it suddenly,
    unexpectedly, and quickly snapped completely in half"?!? (explicatives
    intentionally omitted)

    What do you suggest?

    Anyway, I thought lawyers are paid by the word. ;-) Do you write contracts?
    http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/

  5. Sandy said:

    I object !!! You'd think the recent tsunami results would curb such
    misuse of language (or such egocentric spewing), but no, this guy has to
    have a CATASTROPHIC failure. Bad deal with the shoulder, but, get
    real. Write like a human, not like a lawyer (BTW, I am a lawyer).

    tsunami "results"? egocentric? curbing? huh? Are you having a rough day
    at the office?

    Ok, so I did not use the word in it's purest form, but "catastrophic
    failure" produced ~679,000 hits in Google (not to be confused with
    GOOGOL ;-) I'd say that's pretty common usage. Perhaps instead of
    simply writing "catastrophic", I should of elected something more
    tiring, verbose and in melodramatic fashion like "it suddenly,
    unexpectedly, and quickly snapped completely in half"?!? (explicatives
    intentionally omitted)

    What do you suggest?

    Anyway, I thought lawyers are paid by the word. ;-) Do you write contracts?
    http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/

  6. Funny. How true. Is not "tech" synonymous with "geek"?

  7. anonymous said:

    My Ultegra 6500 double crank failed catastrophically on me. The
    drive side crank arm snapped midway. I was pedaling out of the
    saddle and as a result landed hard and fractured my collarbone.

    Quoted message said:

    Here is one snap of the crank:

    http://www.nycc.org/images/pics/crkcrank.jpg

    If you could make a clearer photo of the fracture surface using the
    'close-up' feature of your camera, I'm sure there are a few people
    here who would like to see the crack propagation that should be
    visible.

    Jobst Brandt
    [email hidden]

  8. So "Hollowtech" cranks really are hollow...😎

  9. waxbytes said:

    So "Hollowtech" cranks really are hollow...😎

    Yeah - lookit all that material they avoided using to save weight. In
    the end, the OP probably saved about 100 grams off that one crank
    alone! ;-)

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $695 ti frame

  10. Sandy said:

    "Sir, It's Just Me" <nospam?@thanks?.?> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My Ultegra 6500 double crank failed catastrophically on me.

    I object !!! You'd think the recent tsunami results would curb such misuse
    of language (or such egocentric spewing), but no, this guy has to have a
    CATASTROPHIC failure. Bad deal with the shoulder, but, get real. Write
    like a human, not like a lawyer (BTW, I am a lawyer).

    Then you probably have a dictionary. Look up the word and you'll see
    he applied the word specifically and properly to the failure described
    (Websters' 2nd definition: "any misfortune or failure" or possibly the
    5th: "a sudden, violent disturbance" (seems to fit pretty well).

    The only way the failure of the crank could have been more
    catastrophic is if that void had been packed with C4... ;-)

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $695 ti frame

  11. Sir said:

    Funny. How true. Is not "tech" synonymous with "geek"?

    Not exactly. Most techs have lives. ;-)

    Mark Hickey
    Habanero Cycles
    http://www.habcycles.com
    Home of the $695 ti frame

  12. Sir said:

    My Ultegra 6500 double crank failed catastrophically on me. The drive
    side crank arm snapped midway. I was pedaling out of the saddle and as
    a result landed hard and fractured my collarbone.

    Here is one snap of the crank:
    http://www.nycc.org/images/pics/crkcrank.jpg
    Caveat: it's not the best photo, with one hand available and the bike
    being stored drive-side in on the rack.

    The crank is ~7 years old and was purchased within the first few months
    of the 9 speed edition of Ultegra. Never crashed and had maybe 30-35K
    miles on it.

    Oddly enough only a few rides earlier, I had done my annual (winter)
    overhaul on the bike. This included cleaning and relubing the bottom
    bracket (b.b.) and bib. shell.

    Subsequently while riding I detected a faint tick noise when pedaling
    hard. I thought it was either a loose b.b. or a gearing adjustment was
    needed. No such luck.

    bad luck on the collar bone.

    not a great pic. try another auto-focus setting to see if you can get
    your camera to focus on the fracture surface. and when doing that, also
    take a sideways shot of the arm too. i'd like to see the general
    surface condition.

    cracks usually initiate at some form of stress riser. the newer shimano
    cranks pretty much have the stress risers from manufacture/design under
    control, but defects can still be occur in use. stone chips are common
    in use and such a surface defect could initiate fatigue in a high
    mileage component such as this. likewise, chain gouge is another really
    common problem. i note that there appears /not/ to be the usual stop
    pin on the big chain ring that usually prevents the chain dropping this
    far down the crank arm. if the chain has dropped, even if it's only
    once, it could have damaged the inside surface sufficiently for cracking
    to begin.

    again, need better pics of the fracture surface + side-on pics of the
    broken arm. inside & outside please.

  13. Sandy said:

    "Sir, It's Just Me" <nospam?@thanks?.?> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My Ultegra 6500 double crank failed catastrophically on me.

    I object !!! You'd think the recent tsunami results would curb such
    misuse of language (or such egocentric spewing), but no, this guy has to
    have a CATASTROPHIC failure. Bad deal with the shoulder, but, get
    real. Write like a human, not like a lawyer (BTW, I am a lawyer).

    "catastropic" is the usual term for complete failure like this.

  14. "jim beam" <[email hidden]> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Sandy said:

    "Sir, It's Just Me" <nospam?@thanks?.?> a écrit dans le message de :
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My Ultegra 6500 double crank failed catastrophically on me.

    I object !!! You'd think the recent tsunami results would curb such
    misuse of language (or such egocentric spewing), but no, this guy has to
    have a CATASTROPHIC failure. Bad deal with the shoulder, but, get real.
    Write like a human, not like a lawyer (BTW, I am a lawyer).

    "catastropic" is the usual term for complete failure like this.


    As yours was the last in a healthy list of wrist slapping, I submit here to
    the rigor of this group, where emotive content of alpha symbols on a screen
    are sieved out. Thus, no more catastrophic (completely failed) comments
    from me about geekitude. Lip zipped.
    --
    Sandy
    Verneuil-sur-Seine FR

    *******

    La vie, c'est comme une bicyclette,
    il faut avancer pour ne pas perdre l'équilibre.
    -- Einstein, A.

  15. jim beam said:


    not a great pic. try another auto-focus setting to see if you can get
    your camera to focus on the fracture surface. and when doing that, also
    take a sideways shot of the arm too. i'd like to see the general
    surface condition.

    Agreed. I'll see if I can find someone to reverse the orientation of
    the bike on the stand, which is adjacent to a wall. That will be allot
    less cumbersome for me to take some more photos.

    Quoted message said:

    cracks usually initiate at some form of stress riser. the newer shimano
    cranks pretty much have the stress risers from manufacture/design under
    control, but defects can still be occur in use. stone chips are common
    in use and such a surface defect could initiate fatigue in a high
    mileage component such as this. likewise, chain gouge is another really
    common problem. i note that there appears /not/ to be the usual stop
    pin on the big chain ring that usually prevents the chain dropping this
    far down the crank arm. if the chain has dropped, even if it's only
    once, it could have damaged the inside surface sufficiently for cracking
    to begin.

    Wow! I think you nailed it, even without the benefit of a good picture.
    You are correct that there is no pin for the big ring. It's a Sugino
    50 tooth chain ring.

    Over the lifetime of the crank, I've dropped the chain maybe 3 or 4
    times. When it happened I knew it immediately and was fortunate not to
    gouge the crank arm. (Incidentally, with this setup, I've never dropped
    the chain while in the small ring.)

    No gouges, but there are some surface scratches. Running my fingers
    over them, they're not detectable. Perhaps, in hindsight, they really
    aren't superficial scratches as you painfully point out.

    Couple side notes, the day before the crash I gave the bike a thorough
    cleaning (and inspection) after riding through salt and sand ridden
    roads. The left crank arm has a small snake-bite indentation which
    occurred after hitting the side of a curb while lifting it (and doing so
    while off the bike). That happened years ago and I always kept a
    watchful eye on that part.

    Quoted message said:


    again, need better pics of the fracture surface + side-on pics of the
    broken arm. inside & outside please.

    Ok. Will do. One thing though - I'm missing the other half of the
    crank (and the other pedal). I got carted out by EMT and the bike, most
    of it, was transported home by a helpful Park Ranger. Follow up calls
    to their office were of no help and I'm in no condition to drive. It
    would be nice to have the other part available to inspect.

    Anyway, I have a feeling your assessment is correct. If so, the truth is
    almost as painful as my physical injury. Lesson learned.

    More pics are on their way...

  16. waxbytes said:

    So "Hollowtech" cranks really are hollow...😎

    Stupid if you ask me. Other cranks are lighter and more reliable, without being
    hollow.

    That one's more hollow than I thought, though. I've seen cross sections of
    others that were hardly hollow, with a cavity about is thick as a penny. Token
    hollowness, for the marketing dept..

    Matt O.

  17. "Matt O'Toole" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    waxbytes said:

    So "Hollowtech" cranks really are hollow...😎

    Stupid if you ask me. Other cranks are lighter and more reliable, without
    being
    hollow.

    That one's more hollow than I thought, though. I've seen cross sections
    of
    others that were hardly hollow, with a cavity about is thick as a penny.
    Token
    hollowness, for the marketing dept..

    Which cranks were the ones you're referring to, and who would ever know
    without breaking/cutting one? This is the first broken crank I've ever seen
    that was hollow. I've seen some carbon cranks that were alu with a carbon
    wrapper (*bzzzzz*).

    --
    Phil, Squid-in-Training

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