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  1. I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
    pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days. I
    am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints a
    day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's only
    been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for three
    out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three weeks -
    for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum
    recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that
    daily!

    So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-

    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
    on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
    beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
    Pasta -
    No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so
    surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) .

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups
    per day.

    Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it,
    it's not a problem.

    Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
    Gym - medium weights twice a week.

    If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol and not
    by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on wholemeal salad
    sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket potatoes & veg for dinner
    (with regular 14" Pizzas).

    So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
    alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit, grains
    & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

    HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and
    increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet.

    Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and the
    only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & calories which is
    not what Atkins etc is all about.

    Mark.

  2. I see food on here that isn't allowed in induction. review induction rules
    again🙂

    --
    Diane

    "Mark & Ana Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
    pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days.
    I
    am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints
    a
    day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's
    only
    been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for
    three
    out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three
    weeks -
    for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum
    recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that
    daily!

    So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-

    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
    on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
    beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
    Pasta -
    No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so
    surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) .

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five
    cups
    per day.

    Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it,
    it's not a problem.

    Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
    Gym - medium weights twice a week.

    If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol and
    not
    by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on wholemeal salad
    sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket potatoes & veg for
    dinner
    (with regular 14" Pizzas).

    So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
    alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
    grains
    & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

    HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and
    increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet.

    Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and the
    only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & calories which
    is
    not what Atkins etc is all about.

    Mark.

  3. diane said:

    I see food on here that isn't allowed in induction. review induction
    rules again🙂

    Please point it out and forgive my ignorance

    Mark

  4. Mark & Ana Jones said:

    I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
    pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few
    days. I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    <snipped parts for brevity>

    Quoted message said:

    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms.
    Cooked on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little
    semi-skimmed milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms,
    green beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low
    Carb Penne Pasta -
    No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295
    lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working!
    would it?) .

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total
    five cups per day.

    Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like
    it, it's not a problem.

    Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day
    plus Gym - medium weights twice a week.

    Quoted message said:

    So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
    alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
    grains & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

    HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast
    and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI
    diet.

    Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and
    the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat &
    calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about.

    Atkins isn't about sugar, potatoes, pasta, or skimmed milk either especially
    not on induction.

    My suggestion is to get the book, read and follow it. In the meantime dump
    the above and see if you start to lose. A good rule of thumb is that most of
    your carbs should be coming from veggies.

  5. Try eating less and doing more exercise.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Mark & Ana Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
    pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days.
    I
    am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints
    a
    day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's
    only
    been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for
    three
    out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three
    weeks -
    for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum
    recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that
    daily!

    So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-

    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
    on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
    beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
    Pasta -
    No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so
    surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) .

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five
    cups
    per day.

    Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it,
    it's not a problem.

    Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
    Gym - medium weights twice a week.

    If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol and
    not
    by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on wholemeal salad
    sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket potatoes & veg for
    dinner
    (with regular 14" Pizzas).

    So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
    alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
    grains
    & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

    HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and
    increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet.

    Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and the
    only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & calories which
    is
    not what Atkins etc is all about.

    Mark.

  6. "1. Potatoes and pasta are not low carb.
    2. 7 lbs in three weeks is a good rate of weight loss.
    3. Weight loss is difficult and not always can you expect stellar
    progress
    4. If you want to stay slim forever, you will have to diet forever,
    so, rate of weight loss does not matter."

    Well said. And alcohol isn't on the induction list either. Buy the
    Atkins book, follow it, it works. But I think the biggest problem here
    is unreasonable expectations. Losing 7Lbs in 3 weeks is a decent
    start. IMO, those that have the strongest desire to have it come off
    quickly have the idea that once they lose the weight, they can go back
    to their old ways of eating, which is why they wind up failing.

  7. "Mark & Ana Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]
    || I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost
    || 7 pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a
    || few days. I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.
    ||
    || My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six
    || pints a day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have
    || partaken it's only been a few glasses of white wine or Gin &
    || slimline tonic and only for three out of 21 days. I certainly
    || haven't had a "bender" in the last three weeks - for the first time
    || in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum recommended weekly
    || amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that daily!
    ||
    || So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-
    ||
    || Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms.
    || Cooked on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little
    || semi-skimmed milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.
    ||
    || Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.
    ||
    || Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    || Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms,
    || green beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or
    || Low Carb Penne Pasta -
    || No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    || No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295
    || lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working!
    || would it?) .
    ||
    || Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total
    || five cups per day.
    ||
    || Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I
    || like it, it's not a problem.
    ||
    || Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day
    || plus Gym - medium weights twice a week.
    ||
    || If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol
    || and not by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on
    || wholemeal salad sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket
    || potatoes & veg for dinner (with regular 14" Pizzas).
    ||
    || So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
    || alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
    || grains & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.
    ||
    || HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast
    || and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a
    || Low-GI diet.
    ||
    || Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before
    || and the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat &
    || calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about.
    ||
    || Mark.

    What plan are you following? Not Atkins according to the foods you list that
    you're eating that are on induction:

    - ketchup
    - alcohol
    - kidney beans
    - skim milk

    and not eating foods like
    - potatoes and
    - pasta and
    - sugar
    is the whole point of Atkins; these are extremely high carbohydrate foods.
    It's about avoiding carbs, not fat. Sounds as if you're trying to do more
    of a weight watcher's diet.

    --
    Peter
    270/219/180
    website: http://users.thelink.net/marengo

  8. "Mark & Ana Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day

    I don't think that's possible given what you've listed. None of these
    things are allowed on Atkins induction:

    ketchup
    brown sauce
    wine
    red potatoes
    pasta of any kind
    sugar
    semiskimmed milk
    Rivita (are these crackers/biscuits?)

    According to your 7-pound weight loss, you've done an admirable job of
    cutting out enough things to make a difference in your weight.

    However, you haven't been following the induction phase of Atkins, which
    forbids all that stuff in order to break dependence on them. (Something
    that can't be accomplished if, for example, you're still putting sugar in
    your coffee.) If that's what you mean to do, you should get a copy of the
    book or look at www.atkins.com and get the list of what's allowed.

    Cate

  9. Sorry Mark.

    You have NOT been on Induction. Induction is not JUST keeping carbs
    low but keeping away from sugar and starches pretty much entirely.
    Please grab your copy of Atkins (you DO have a copy, right?) and
    re-read the Induction chapter. Otherwise, look at
    http://atkins.com/Archive/2004/12/27-833156.html read it thoroughly
    and then click through the link to acceptable Induction foods. If
    it's not on the Induction list DO NOT EAT IT for two weeks.

    Period.

    End of story.

    Quoted message said:

    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
    on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    semi-skimmed milk has more than 11g of carb per cup. If you're
    drinking half a cup of milk per day in your tea and eggs, there's 5
    1/2 grams right there.

    Do the sausages have cereal based fillers in them? There could be
    several more grams right there - and how big a dollop of ketchup is
    that? Most of them include sugars, too. Standard ketchup is around
    4g per tablespoon.

    Quoted message said:

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    Ryevita crispbread - if they are the same as the ones friends use here
    (I don't like them) you're looking at about 5g EACH. So there's
    another 15 g, BEFORE you add the sugars in the mayo or cheese.
    Philadelphia light cheese is also comparatively carby at 7g per 100g
    weight (about 4 oz). Full-fat cream cheese is only 2 1/2 g per 100g.

    Quoted message said:

    Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
    beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
    Pasta -

    Potatoes are IMMMENSELY carby. 100g weight of boiled potato (about a
    2" diameter sphere) has over **20** g of carbohydrate! If you're
    having this for dinner most nights, you're well over your 20g per day.
    Pasta of any kind is NOT on the Induction list. Yes, this includes
    the low-carb type.

    Quoted message said:

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups
    per day.

    so - 1g per cup of tea or coffee (yes, it has carbs freshly brewed
    before you add the sweetening and lightening stuff) plus almost 2
    teaspoons of sugar (taken over the whole day) and you're looking at
    another 11g of carb BEFORE you add in the milk. DON'T USE SUGAR. If
    you must sweeten your tea, use an artificial sweetener such as Equal
    (if you can tolerate it - I can't but many report good results with
    it) Splenda, saccharine or whatever you please. Sugar is NOT an
    option, even in small quantities. Possibly later you might find you
    can use it, but not for Induction.

    By my estimate, you're taking in more like 50g of carb than your
    estimate of 25g or thereabouts. This in and of itself could be the
    reason you're not seeing huge weight reduction in the initial period.

    Aramanth

  10. Mark & Ana Jones said:

    Been on induction for three weeks

    Most people have a short stall at 3 weeks. It's normal.

    Quoted message said:

    and only lost 7 pounds

    That's average.

    Quoted message said:

    I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    No, the first two weeks is just water weight, which is largely
    proportional to muscle and liver size, not body fat. Starting at week
    5 or so you should see regular loss due to body fat.

    Quoted message said:

    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil

    For Induction, it should be exactly nil. You *are* counting the carbs
    in your alcoholic drinks, right?

    Quoted message said:

    Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    Neither milk nor ketchup/brown sauce are allowed on Induction. Use
    heavy cream and mustard instead.

    Quoted message said:

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    I assume "tunamayo" is tuna with mayo, which is fine. "Philadelpha
    light" is cream cheese? If so, don't use the light, use the full fat
    version. If Rivita is Ryvita - crisp bread - it's not allowed on
    Induction.

    Quoted message said:

    Chilli Concarne

    "Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed.

    Quoted message said:

    perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
    Pasta -

    Neither of these is allowed.

    Quoted message said:

    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295
    lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working!
    would it?) .

    Yes, it might. 20g - no more - for Induction. You can go up to 25
    (and should, until you find your CCLL) once you're on OWL. Half your
    carbs should come from fibrous (salad) vegetables, the other half from
    sources like cheese, eggs, and other mostly-fat-and-protein foods.

    Quoted message said:

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five cups
    per day.

    Neither milk nor sugar are allowed.

    Quoted message said:

    Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
    Gym - medium weights twice a week.

    Excellent!

    Quoted message said:

    So, very few carbs as recommended,

    Not few enough, and from the wrong sources.

    Quoted message said:

    less calories due to virtually no alcohol,

    There are no calorie limits on Induction. You shouldn't be trying to
    reduce calories yet, just don't eat unless you're hungry, that's all.
    Plus eat ONLY what's on the food list.

    Quoted message said:

    yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit, grains & vegetables

    You should be eating MORE vegetables than you are. You're wasting
    your carb limit on [censored] like milk, sugar, and potatoes. Fruit is
    allowed on week 3, and is the recommended way to work towards your
    CCLL.

    Quoted message said:

    AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

    It takes me months to lose that much.

    Quoted message said:

    HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast
    and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a
    Low-GI diet.

    Protein, not grains, increases your metabolism.

    Quoted message said:

    Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before
    and the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat &
    calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about.

    Ah, the primal misconception - Atkins is about cutting calories, but
    ONLY after you've fully switched to LC. You have to do it right, or
    it won't work. After Induction - done right - you just won't be as
    hungry as you were before, and letting your hunger be your guide
    provides you just the right amount of calories for long term loss.

    During OWL, stick to smaller meals, but eat them more often as your
    hunger dictates. That should maximize your metabolism without the
    hunger swings that high carb diets cause.

  11. Switch to weight watchers and AA.

    Mark & Ana Jones wrote:
    :: I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost
    :: 7 pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a
    :: few days. I am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.
    ::
    :: My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six
    :: pints a day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have
    :: partaken it's only been a few glasses of white wine or Gin &
    :: slimline tonic and only for three out of 21 days. I certainly
    :: haven't had a "bender" in the last three weeks - for the first time
    :: in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum recommended weekly
    :: amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that daily!
    ::
    :: So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-
    ::
    :: Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms.
    :: Cooked on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little
    :: semi-skimmed milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.
    ::
    :: Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.
    ::
    :: Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    :: Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms,
    :: green beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or
    :: Low Carb Penne Pasta -
    :: No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    :: No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295
    :: lbs so surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working!
    :: would it?) .
    ::
    :: Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total
    :: five cups per day.
    ::
    :: Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I
    :: like it, it's not a problem.
    ::
    :: Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day
    :: plus Gym - medium weights twice a week.
    ::
    :: If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol
    :: and not by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on
    :: wholemeal salad sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket
    :: potatoes & veg for dinner (with regular 14" Pizzas).
    ::
    :: So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
    :: alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,
    :: grains & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.
    ::
    :: HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast
    :: and increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a
    :: Low-GI diet.
    ::
    :: Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before
    :: and the only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat &
    :: calories which is not what Atkins etc is all about.
    ::
    :: Mark.

  12. Try Fitday to find out what you are doing.

    Read the book: Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution. (DANDR)

    http://www.fitday.com

    It sounds like you are stuffing yourselves. I'm surprised you lost any
    weight.

    "Mark & Ana Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks and only lost 7
    pounds - which I can usually lose just by cutting out beer for a few days.


    I

    Quoted message said:

    am still 287lbs and so 7lbs is negligible in 3 weeks.

    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil compared to my usual six pints


    a

    Quoted message said:

    day plus a bottle of wine (too much I know). When I have partaken it's


    only

    Quoted message said:

    been a few glasses of white wine or Gin & slimline tonic and only for


    three

    Quoted message said:

    out of 21 days. I certainly haven't had a "bender" in the last three


    weeks -

    Quoted message said:

    for the first time in my adult life I've not even drank the maximum
    recommended weekly amount of 21 alcohol units whereas I usually do that
    daily!

    So, putting alcohol mostly out of the way let's look at food:-

    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
    on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.

    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.

    Dinner. Choice of Chicken breast/Salmon steak/Rump steak/Lean Chilli
    Concarne without kidney beans, served with selection of mushrooms, green
    beans, perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin or Low Carb Penne
    Pasta -
    No bread, mashed potatoes, cakes, pies.
    No more than 25g of carbs in total foods per day (I started at 295 lbs so
    surely the extra 5 grams wouldn't stop induction working! would it?) .

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five


    cups

    Quoted message said:

    per day.

    Water - three litres - maybe more, sipped throughout the day - I like it,
    it's not a problem.

    Exercise:- Walk a mile or more a day to shops OR cycle 4 miles a day plus
    Gym - medium weights twice a week.

    If I wasn't dieting I'd be taking more calories in total by alcohol and


    not

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    by food as I'd only eat musseli for breakfast, snack on wholemeal salad
    sandwiches and fruit and eat lean meat with jacket potatoes & veg for


    dinner

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    (with regular 14" Pizzas).

    So, very few carbs as recommended, less calories due to virtually no
    alcohol, reasonable exercise yet fewer "healthy foods such as fruit,


    grains

    Quoted message said:

    & vegetables AND only 7lbs in 21 days.

    HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and
    increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet.

    Any ideas please, I've lost 14lbs a month for three months before and the
    only common factor seems to be cutting out the high fat & calories which


    is

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    not what Atkins etc is all about.

    Mark.

  13. "Roger Zoul" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Switch to weight watchers and AA.

    First giggle of the day Roger, thanks :-)
    Kristen
    239/226/175

  14. DJ Delorie said:


    Quoted message said:

    Chilli Concarne

    "Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed.

    Con carne means 'with meat'.

    ____
    ~210/*/150
    Started 1/3/05
    *Not weighing till reference jeans are loose.
    Scarred by previous scale experiences.

  15. keelie said:
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    "Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed.

    Con carne means 'with meat'.

    Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school
    cafeteria.

  16. "DJ Delorie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Con carne means 'with meat'.

    Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school
    cafeteria.

    They lied to you.

    --
    No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

  17. None Given said:

    "DJ Delorie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Con carne means 'with meat'.

    Quoted message said:


    They lied to you.

    you're not alone, they lied to us too - we were told "with corn" makes
    me
    wonder what other bits they may have lied about...

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    None Given said:

    "DJ Delorie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > Con carne means 'with meat'.


    you're not alone, they lied to us too - we were told "with corn" makes
    me
    wonder what other bits they may have lied about...

    queso = cheese
    carne = meat
    frijoles = beans
    maíz = corn
    arroz = rice
    Once, I saw my cousin point to a platter of mountain oysters and tell her
    husband they were 'huevos del toro.'

    --
    No Husband Has Ever Been Shot While Doing The Dishes

  19. "DJ Delorie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    keelie said:
    Quoted message said:

    "Concarne" means "over rice". Rice is not allowed.

    Con carne means 'with meat'.

    Ok, I stand corrected. It always meant "over rice" in my high school
    cafeteria.

    Same here both at school and at the cafeteria of the nursing home
    I worked in a few years back Chilli Con Carne was chilli over rice.

    So your not alone
    Angie

  20. "Mark & Ana Jones" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

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    I'm very frustrated. Been on induction for three weeks


    Not exactly. It doesn't sound like you've been following the rules of
    induction. Also, you only have to tough it out and do induction for 2
    weeks. Move onto OWL on the third week.

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    My alcohol consumption has been almost nil


    It needs to be absolutely nil during induction.

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    Breakfast: 2 rashers of back bacon, one or two sausages, mushrooms. Cooked
    on a George Foreman grill. Two scrambled eggs with a little semi-skimmed
    milk. Dollop of Ketchup/brown sauce.


    Milk is not allowed on induction
    What kind of ketchup/brown sauce? That is also not on the allowed list of
    induction foods

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    Lunch: Tunamayo or Philadelphia light on 3 Rivita.


    Philadelphia should be regular, not light (which usually has added sugar =
    not allowed on induction)
    Not sure what Rivita is... but that probably means it also is not allowed.

    Quoted message said:

    perhaps two or three baby potatoes-boiled in skin


    Potatoes are NOT allowed during induction.

    Quoted message said:

    or Low Carb Penne Pasta -


    This is also not allowed during induction.

    Quoted message said:

    Tea & coffee - semiskimmed milk, one third teaspoon sugar - total five
    cups
    per day.


    Doesn't Atkins advise giving up coffee?
    Anyway, milk is not allowed on induction
    Sugar is definitely not allowed on induction

    Quoted message said:

    HELP, I feel I'd be better off not eating the high calorie breakfast and
    increasing my metabolism with wholegrains albeit keeping a Low-GI diet.


    Before you give up, try it by following induction rules.

    I only focused on what you're doing that is wrong. You wrote other things
    that you're doing that sound fine/good.
    Atkins specifically said in his book that if the food is not on the
    induction list of permitted foods, you are to have NONE of it. Not even 1/8
    teaspoon. Zero. Zip. Nothing at all.
    So in summary:
    No low carb penne pasta
    no semiskimmed milk
    no sugar
    no alcohol
    no baby potatoes
    no ketchup

    Just suck it up for 2 weeks. You can do it.

    --
    Spring
    LC since 1/1/04
    260/200/170

    "Before" & "current" pics at link below:
    http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sprgsnow/album?.tok=phX4sVBBuvxvs4Hs&.dir=/55b8&.src=ph

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