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Re: Kelley / Gonzales Cancer Treatment fraud

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  1. Quoted message said:

    http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/17/15/05.html

    The trial will show if there is anything there, snipits of research here
    and there we can't question in detail is not going to do it. All the self
    reported "success" stories will not do it. Appeals to how mistreated
    fringe doctors are by main stream research while regretable will not do
    it. Science/medicine advances on multiple demonstrations of a good match
    between theory and objective repeatble observations. In my mind the
    following is the now accepted concensus and the benchmark by which such
    questions should be approached. The asorbtion of pe from the gut has not
    yet been demonstrated, and it remains questionable that any enzymes of any
    size can, until that can be demonstrated and confirmed, the things shown
    here are suggestive but not conclusive. In the list of problems with the
    idea they can below, even if they are absorbed they are still subject to
    destruction and can be themselves a source of immunity and other problems.
    All of the problems must be addressed, but even they are mute if routine
    normal absorbtion can not be demonstrated. We cann't tell about the
    quality of the studies done on absorbtion are and how they might have
    controlled for internal generation of enzymes. The pig example does
    control to exclude internal generation and it specifically shows no
    absorbtion of pe. Here are the main unanswered questions about the
    proposed cancer treatment:

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/kg.html

    Glandular enzymes restoring normal function to poison-damaged organs.
    Biological barriers to efficient absorption of proteolytic enzymes
    into the systemic circulation are so formidable that oral delivery is
    all but impossible [30,31]. Intestinal absorption of protein molecules
    depends on their size and complexity, their sensitivity to hydrolysis
    by host stomach acids and to host digestive enzymes, the capacity for
    transport across the intestinal mucosa, their avoidance of recognition
    as foreign by the immune system, and their destruction by the
    reticuloendothelial system [32].

    Like all dietary proteins, enzymes are dismantled into constituent
    amino acids by host proteolytic enzymes in the gastrointestinal tract,
    thus destroying their enzymatic activity. Should intact enzymes manage
    to enter the circulation, they would still have to avoid denaturation
    by serum proteolytic enzymes. They would have to be "smart" enough to
    find the "poisoned target organ" or cancer cell before destroying
    serum proteins and blood-vessel-wall structural proteins. If the
    enzymes were to avoid those barriers, their repeated appearance in the
    circulation would eventually give rise to severe hypersensitivity
    reactions and anaphylaxis. There seem to be good reasons for the
    evolutionary characteristic of preventing the absorption of
    proteolytic enzymes from the gastrointestinal tract.

    Conclusions

    * Neither Kelley nor Gonzalez has identified proposed toxins in
    processed food.
    * Neither has evidence that abnormal protein molecules from
    necrosing tumors are toxins or that they poison organs.
    * Neither has evidence that the toxins poison oxidative metabolism.
    * Neither has evidence that cancers thrive in an anaerobic
    environment.
    * Neither has shown that coffee enemas, megavitamin doses, and their
    special diets inhibit the progress of cancer.
    * Neither has produced evidence that a deficiency of pancreatic
    digestive enzymes is related to the onset of cancer.
    * Neither has produced evidence that enzymes from animal or
    vegetable sources can replace enzymes in human organs.
    * There is no evidence that ingested pancreatic enzymes seek out and
    kill cancer cells.
    * Neither has produced evidence that their regimens are more
    effective than a placebo for cancer.

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    Quoted message said:

    http://www.chiroweb.com/archives/17/15/05.html

    The trial will show if there is anything there, snipits of research here
    and there we can't question in detail is not going to do it. All the self
    reported "success" stories will not do it. Appeals to how mistreated
    fringe doctors are by main stream research while regretable will not do
    it. Science/medicine advances on multiple demonstrations of a good match
    between theory and objective repeatble observations. In my mind the
    following is the now accepted concensus and the benchmark by which such
    questions should be approached. The asorbtion of pe from the gut has not
    yet been demonstrated, and it remains questionable that any enzymes of any
    size can, until that can be demonstrated and confirmed, the things shown
    here are suggestive but not conclusive. In the list of problems with the
    idea they can below, even if they are absorbed they are still subject to
    destruction and can be themselves a source of immunity and other problems.
    All of the problems must be addressed, but even they are mute if routine
    normal absorbtion can not be demonstrated. We cann't tell about the
    quality of the studies done on absorbtion are and how they might have
    controlled for internal generation of enzymes. The pig example does
    control to exclude internal generation and it specifically shows no
    absorbtion of pe. Here are the main unanswered questions about the
    proposed cancer treatment:

    http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/kg.html

    I already showed that when glandulars are taken by humans the levels of
    trypsin increased in the blood stream.
    The trophoblast thesis of cancer is based on the fact trypsin and chmotrysin
    have anti cancer effects.
    You are welcome to believe it is impossible that they are absorbed but I
    think you are ignoring facts.
    The NCCAM study should show whether or not they work in humans.
    Anth

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