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  1. Hi

    I have been doing my winter training on a late 80's mountain bike with a triple
    chainring. I have had sore knees; I suspect it is either the 181mm length or
    the high Q-factor. It is nearly 3/4" wider than my usual road setup. I have
    decided to intstall a road double, to replace the current MTB triple. My
    question is:

    Is there going to be an inherent chainline problem, due to the new, narrower
    BB/Crank setup? It seems obvious that this will be a problem, but I just
    wanted some quick feedback, before I take on the project. Also, any
    suggestions would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Steve

  2. Sscarich said:

    Hi

    I have been doing my winter training on a late 80's mountain bike with a triple
    chainring. I have had sore knees; I suspect it is either the 181mm length or
    the high Q-factor.

    181 is an odd length for cranks. Are you measuring them in order to get
    that number, or reading it off the cranks themselves? If the former, make
    sure you measure center-to-center. 180mm is a long crank arm, even for
    mountain bikes. It all depends on your preferences and size, of course.
    175mm is more or less standard for mountain bikes, and for "average" size
    men, 170mm is standard for road bikes. But your purpose is winter
    training for road riding; probably the same length as your road bike is
    preferable.

    I am not convinced that q-factor is all that important. I prefer the
    newer "compact" cranks that have a bit of bend outward at the pedal, or,
    perhaps, are displaced inward at the spindle. They tend to have wider
    q-factor, but for me that is no big deal, and getting the spindle end out
    of the way of my bony ankles is a big deal.

    Quoted message said:

    I have
    decided to intstall a road double, to replace the current MTB triple. My
    question is:

    Is there going to be an inherent chainline problem, due to the new,
    narrower BB/Crank setup? It seems obvious that this will be a problem,
    but I just wanted some quick feedback, before I take on the project.

    Should not be that big a deal. You may want to get a different bottom
    bracket to improve things, but whether or not you want longer or shorter
    depends on the type of cranks involved. You might want to go 2 to
    5mm wider than the recommended size, since the cassette is further out
    from the centerline on a mountain bike. That will increase the
    q-factor, of course. But it should work OK in any event. Especially with
    the long chainstays of your old mountain bike, the shifting should be fine.

    Oh, check to see how the front derailleur works with the road cranks.
    Mountain-bike derailleurs are made for smaller rings than road bikes have.
    It's usually OK to use a road derailleur with mountain cranks, since the
    larger circle of the derailleur will not lead to interference (I use
    this), but the other way around may cause trouble. If you use Shimano
    indexing, prepare for hassles there if you swap derailleurs, because most
    Shimano mountain bike derailleurs require more cable pull per shift than
    their road versions. Rear is OK, but someone decided otherwise for the
    front.

    --

    David L. Johnson

    __o | "What am I on? I'm on my bike, six hours a day, busting my ass.
    _`\(,_ | What are you on?" --Lance Armstrong
    (_)/ (_) |

  3. Sscarich said:

    I have been doing my winter training on a late 80's mountain bike with a triple
    chainring. I have had sore knees; I suspect it is either the 181mm length or
    the high Q-factor. It is nearly 3/4" wider than my usual road setup. I have
    decided to intstall a road double, to replace the current MTB triple. My
    question is:

    Is there going to be an inherent chainline problem, due to the new, narrower
    BB/Crank setup? It seems obvious that this will be a problem, but I just
    wanted some quick feedback, before I take on the project. Also, any
    suggestions would be appreciated.

    Steve, a different issue: there may be clearance issues if the
    chainstays angle outward or flare outward greatly going from BB to
    dropouts. Shortening the BB spindle and putting on bigger chainrings
    could perhaps (surprisingly) cause the *larger* rings to hit the stays
    where earlier they cleared.

    I would guess this to be easy to predict by looking at the stays before
    your start swapping cranks.

    Mark Janeba

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    Quoted message said:

    Hi

    I have been doing my winter training on a late 80's mountain bike with a


    triple

    Quoted message said:

    chainring. I have had sore knees; I suspect it is either the 181mm length


    or

    Quoted message said:

    the high Q-factor. It is nearly 3/4" wider than my usual road setup. I


    have

    Quoted message said:

    decided to intstall a road double, to replace the current MTB triple. My
    question is:

    Is there going to be an inherent chainline problem, due to the new,


    narrower

    Quoted message said:

    BB/Crank setup? It seems obvious that this will be a problem, but I just
    wanted some quick feedback, before I take on the project. Also, any
    suggestions would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Steve

    The standard mountain bike crank is usually longer than the standard road
    crank.
    Check the lengths of the cranks. Maybe you need to shorter. Also mountain
    bike seats are set lower, maybe you need to up the height a bit on the
    mountain bike. I reduced a problem on my knee by adjusting the cleat on my
    right shoe so that my foot was closer to the crank. It's not the width
    that's the problem but the fact that it's assymetrical. Your right foot is
    out wider because of the chainrings.

    Marty

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