Panniers

asqui said:

The problem is the 'nice' ones are so expensive!

Can anyone recommend anything that meets these requirements and compares to (say) the Altura
Orkney, or am I just going to have to bike the bullet on this one if I want to have
something decent?

I bought a pair of Altura Orkneys recently, for a trip to Scotland. I like them. I also use them for
commuting - and the quick release mechanism is useful there.

I then saw that Wiggle have them for 65 pounds a pair. SO if you cna afford that, go to
www.wiggle.co.uk

John Hearns said:

I bought a pair of Altura Orkneys recently, for a trip to Scotland. I like them. I also use them
for commuting - and the quick release mechanism is useful there.

Until they break. I have a pair of Alturas - not sure of the model - could well be Orkney 50s. They
have a pair of clips that hold them onto the top rail, and I've had two breakages so far - once the
lever you use to open and close the clip snapped, and once the tapped bit of plastic the adjustment
screw goes into broke.

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Until they break. I have a pair of Alturas - not sure of the model - could well be Orkney 50s.
They have a pair of clips that hold them onto the top rail, and I've had two breakages so far -
once the lever you use to open and close the clip snapped, and once the tapped bit of plastic the
adjustment screw goes into broke.

I abused a pair for six weeks on a tour of India, banging them on & off of the bike, chucking them
into trains & buses, hauling them in & out of hotels, giving to those most gentle souls -- airport
baggage handlers -- and providing zero TLC. They survived unscathed.

T

asqui said:

The problem is the 'nice' ones are so expensive!

Well, the adage goes you get what you pay for...

Quoted message said:

Can anyone recommend anything that meets these requirements and compares to (say) the Altura
Orkney, or am I just going to have to bike the bullet on this one if I want to have
something decent?

Even basic ones from Argos etc. are remarkably good considering what you pay. But in terms of
fittings, longevity, etc. the better ones are, well, *better*. But don't rule out cheap 'n cheerful,
they'll be up to most jobs even if ease of use may be a little better.

Also note that down-range models from people like Altura, Carradice etc. can be a fair bit cheaper
but are still good. My Carradice Overlanders (nothing like as well built as the Super C cotton duck
ones) are now about 15 years old and still in fine shape and have been used day in, day out over
most of that time (now used that way by a pal, they don't fit on the 12mm rack on the Streetmachine
so I had to get new ones, dammit). I've upgraded the hooks to locking ones (but those are now
standard and the old ones never broke) and the original buckles broke one by one and were replaced,
but I've never had to do anything to the actual bags.

I've now got Ortliebs (the lighter weight ones) and Altura Orkneys. The Orkneys are very nice bags
but they've possibly over-egged the pudding in pocket provision and I think the fittings on the
cheaper model a friend has (Skyes, I think) seem easier to use. If you do get Orkneys, sew a bit of
tape around the carrying cord as it bites into your hand if you're carrying it by hand when it's
full. I've never bothered using the raincovers: aside from the seams and zips they're pretty well
proofed to start with and it's just another layer of faff. The Ortliebs are just so far ahead of the
game when it comes to the fixings I find it hard to believe nobody else is catching on. They're
easier to fit and remove and just as secure (picking them up by the handle disengages the locking
clip, letting go locks it). They work on the One Big Bag principal, and though you can get pockets
to attach it'll push up the price more and they look fiddlier to use than the built in zip ones on
the likes of the Orkneys. Ortliebs have become the favoured weapon amongst my friends (or those that
can afford them!) and none of us have any regrets about choosing them. Superbly made, simple and
very effective designs.

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

The Ortliebs are just so far ahead of the game when it comes to the fixings I find it hard to
believe nobody else is catching on. They're easier to fit and remove and just as secure (picking
them up by the handle disengages the locking clip, letting go locks it).

The reason nobody else is using their excellent design is that ortlieb won't let them.

cheers, clive

Clive George wrote: [Ortliebs]

Quoted message said:

The reason nobody else is using their excellent design is that ortlieb won't let them.

Obviously, though just stuff like the stabiliser hooks are just done better than everyone else IME.
They can't have *everyone* with most clues about pannier fixing design working for them, though the
evidence suggests that may be the case...

Pete.
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John Hearns said:

I bought a pair of Altura Orkneys recently, for a trip to Scotland. I like them. I also use them
for commuting - and the quick release mechanism is useful there.

I then saw that Wiggle have them for 65 pounds a pair. SO if you cna afford that, go to
www.wiggle.co.uk

Ah. Yes, I saw that too, but the cheaper ones are the 2002 model which don't make it clear whether
they have a shoulder strap. Then again it's net clear if the 2003 Orkneys come with rain covers!

Also, what is the difference between the Orkney and the Skye?
wiggle.co.ukv2 product detail.aspOpen ↗
wiggle.co.ukv2 product detail.aspOpen ↗ Looks like the only difference is
that the Skye is not (completely) made of the so-called Dura-Tec material, otherwise they look
pretty identical.

Dani

asqui said:

Ah. Yes, I saw that too, but the cheaper ones are the 2002 model which don't make it clear whether
they have a shoulder strap.

I got mine in 2001, and though they didn't have a shoulder strap there are solid loops on the end of
the mounting rail where there's no problem clipping a strap on (the sort that are widely available
from the likes of camera shops work fine). All you need to do is provide the shoulder strap, there's
no needlework to do.

Quoted message said:

Then again it's net clear if the 2003 Orkneys come with rain covers!

Mine did, and I've never used them, so I wouldn't let it worry you too much... The bags are more or
less waterproof anyway, but if you want completely bombproof waterproof then you might as well get
Ortlieb, Vau De or Carradice Super C where they're waterproof anyway without faffing about with
covers that impede access to the bags and take up space when you're not using them. According to EBC
the current model has a rain cover (they have the smaller Orkneys on offer at the mo, if you're
thinking of lowriders too).

Quoted message said:

Also, what is the difference between the Orkney and the Skye?

Slightly more dulux in terms of materials, number of pockets and fittings (fittings on Skye
are plastic, alloy on Orkneys, zips are heavier duty, etc. and there's a rear pocket as well
on the Orkney).

I've got Orkneys, a friend has Skyes. Unless you want the extra pocket provision (dead handy for me
on the 'bent as I can reach into them on the move by the simple expedient of putting them on
backwards!) I'd say the Skye is probably better value in terms of bang/buck.

Pete.
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I'd endorse the comments about Ortlieb. Simply the best, but expensive.

If you fancy something similar, try Vaude World Tramps. Very good at a slightly more modest price.

asqui said:

John Hearns said:

I bought a pair of Altura Orkneys recently, for a trip to Scotland. I like them. I also use them
for commuting - and the quick release mechanism is useful there.

I then saw that Wiggle have them for 65 pounds a pair. SO if you cna afford that, go to
www.wiggle.co.uk

Ah. Yes, I saw that too, but the cheaper ones are the 2002 model which don't make it clear whether
they have a shoulder strap. Then again it's net clear if the 2003 Orkneys come with rain covers!

Also, what is the difference between the Orkney and the Skye?
wiggle.co.ukv2 product detail.aspOpen ↗
wiggle.co.ukv2 product detail.aspOpen ↗ Looks like the only difference is
that the Skye is not (completely) made of the so-called Dura-Tec material, otherwise they look
pretty identical.

Dani

Gearshift stock them

www.gearshift.co.uk

Regards

TB

asqui said:

John Hearns said:

I bought a pair of Altura Orkneys recently, for a trip to Scotland. I like them. I also use them
for commuting - and the quick release mechanism is useful there.

I then saw that Wiggle have them for 65 pounds a pair. SO if you cna afford that, go to
www.wiggle.co.uk

Ah. Yes, I saw that too, but the cheaper ones are the 2002 model which don't make it clear whether
they have a shoulder strap. Then again it's net clear if the 2003 Orkneys come with rain covers!

Also, what is the difference between the Orkney and the Skye?
wiggle.co.ukv2 product detail.aspOpen ↗
wiggle.co.ukv2 product detail.aspOpen ↗ Looks like the only difference is
that the Skye is not (completely) made of the so-called Dura-Tec material, otherwise they look
pretty identical.

Dani

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Ortlieb. Simply the best, but expensive.
<p>If you fancy something similar, try Vaude World Tramps. Very good at a slightly more
modest price.
<q>asqui wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>John Hearns wrote: <br>> I bought a pair of Altura Orkneys
recently, for a trip to Scotland. <br>> I like them. I also use them for commuting - and the
quick release <br>> mechanism is useful there. <br>> <br>> I then saw that Wiggle have them for
65 pounds a pair. <br>> SO if you cna afford that, go to www.wiggle.co.uk
<r>Ah. Yes, I saw that too, but the cheaper ones are the 2002 model which don't <br>make it clear
whether they have a shoulder strap. Then again it's net clear <br>if the 2003 Orkneys come with
rain covers!
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difference is that the Skye is not (completely) made of <br>the so-called Dura-Tec material,
otherwise they look pretty identical.
<t>Dani</blockquote>

<u>Gearshift stock them
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<w>Regards
<x>TB
<y>asqui wrote: <blockquote TYPE=CITE>John Hearns wrote: <br>> I bought a pair of Altura Orkneys
recently, for a trip to Scotland. <br>> I like them. I also use them for commuting - and the
quick release <br>> mechanism is useful there. <br>> <br>> I then saw that Wiggle have them for
65 pounds a pair. <br>> SO if you cna afford that, go to www.wiggle.co.uk
<z>Ah. Yes, I saw that too, but the cheaper ones are the 2002 model which don't <br>make it clear
whether they have a shoulder strap. Then again it's net clear <br>if the 2003 Orkneys come with
rain covers!
<z>Also, what is the difference between the Orkney and the Skye? <br><a href="wiggle.co.-wiggle.co.-Open ↗
uk/v2_product_detail.asp?ProdID=5360007187">wiggle.co.ukv2 product detail.aspOpen ↗
=5360007187</a> <br><a href="wiggle.co.ukv2 product detail.aspOpen ↗">ht-
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difference is that the Skye is not (completely) made of <br>the so-called Dura-Tec material,
otherwise they look pretty identical.
<z>Dani</blockquote> </html>

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Trealaw Boy said:

I'd endorse the comments about Ortlieb. Simply the best, but expensive.

If you fancy something similar, try Vaude World Tramps. Very good at a slightly more modest price.

Also note that EBC's own brand waterproof roll-tops are made for them by VauDe, and represent very
good value AFAICT (I've had quite a close look at them, but in the end my 12mm rack tubing make the
Ortliebs just too much easier. Hardly anyone bar HP Velotechnik owners have 12mm racks though, so
don't let that put you off).

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
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