Frame Pumps

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Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who has
the best overall frame pump?

I find my Topeak Master Blaster - convertible chuck, adequate gauge, folding foot, folding t-handle,
larger diameter barrel than SILCA and short enough to fit in bike bag - so useful and versatile that
I would use it in place of a floor pump except for the difficulty replacing it.

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Originally posted by Ed
Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who has
the best overall frame pump? I currently have a Zephal HPx2 and using on 700x38c tires it takes over
500 strokes to get me close to 100 PSI. Is there anything better than going Co2?

Thanks

Ed

Blackburn's frame-fit pump is excellent.
I switched to CO2 though; can of worms contained.

(ed) said:

Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who has
the best overall frame pump? I currently have a Zephal HPx2 and using on 700x38c tires it takes
over 500 strokes to get me close to 100 PSI. Is there anything better than going Co2?

It's all a trade off between volume and pressure.

The larger the pump's bore, the more air gets pumped every stroke.

The longer the bore, the more air gets pumped every stroke.

The larger the bore, the harder you have to push to pump a given pressure.

There's little down side to a longer pump, since you'll need fewer strokes to fill a tire to a given
pressure. But the length is more or less determined by the fit in the bike's frame (doesn't apply to
"mini pumps" that bolt on somewhere).

If you find that you aren't having any problems pushing the HPx2 pump at 100psi (7 bar) you might
look for a pump with a larger bore. I use what is essentially a MTB pump that fits in my Camelbak.
By the time the tire has 100psi, I need to be supporting the pump head on something solid and
leaning into it - but it DOES pump up a road tire fairly fast (and does a credible job of pumping up
fat knobbies as well).

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Quoted message said:

Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who has
the best overall frame pump? I currently have a Zephal HPx2 and using on 700x38c tires it takes
over 500 strokes to get me close to 100 PSI. Is there anything better than going Co2?

There are not a lot of pumps better than the Zefal HPX2.
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I really like my Blackburn frame-fit pump, I've used it for about 3 years now. Co2's are nice but
I've had a couple leak not knowing and then when I needed them, empty.

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Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who has
the best overall frame pump? I currently have a Zephal HPx2 and using on 700x38c tires it takes
over 500 strokes to get me close to 100 PSI. Is there anything better than going Co2?

Thanks

Ed

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Quoted message said:

Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who
has the best overall frame pump? I currently have a Zephal HPx2 and using on 700x38c tires it
takes over 500 strokes to get me close to 100 PSI. Is there anything better than going Co2?

There are not a lot of pumps better than the Zefal HPX2.
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I agree, the HPX as well as the Blackburn full size frame pumps are real and work well. I wonder if
there is a problem with your particular HPX2. 500 strokes seems like an awful lot; however, my
experience is with an HPX4 (longer barrel) and 700x23 (much lower volume tire). Maybe one of the
engineering guys on this list can tell you whether the stroke count seems reasonable. Or, you could
ride by your local LBS and try another of the same model and see if it has more reasonable results.

Bill Brannon

ed said:

Is there anything better than going Co2?

ToPeak Road Morph.

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I don't know about you guys, but I switched to CO2 a long time ago. My luck is always to get a flat
at the top or almost to the top of a hill, and it sucks to get off the bike then have to pump the
thing to get enough air into it. With CO2, it's a matter of just twist and fill. 🙂

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Quoted message said:

Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who
has the best overall frame pump?

I find my Topeak Master Blaster - convertible chuck, adequate gauge,

folding

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foot, folding t-handle, larger diameter barrel than SILCA and short enough to fit in bike bag - so
useful and versatile that I would use it in place

of

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a floor pump except for the difficulty replacing it.

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Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who has
the best overall frame pump? I currently have a Zephal HPx2 and using on 700x38c tires it takes
over 500 strokes to get me close to 100 PSI. Is there anything better than going Co2?

That's not a typical HPX report. You might ensure the plunger has something on it (oil or leather
saddle goop or whatever - dry, caked ones don't seal well), check that the replaceable end washer
is not worn out and then take care to press the pump firmly over the valve before lifting the lever
to seal it.

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Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who
has the best overall frame pump? I currently have a Zephal HPx2 and using on 700x38c tires it
takes over 500 strokes to get me close to 100 PSI. Is there anything better than going Co2?

That's not a typical HPX report. You might ensure the plunger has something on it (oil or leather
saddle goop or whatever - dry, caked ones don't seal well), check that the replaceable end washer
is not worn out and then take care to press the pump firmly over the valve before lifting the
lever to seal it.

I used an HPX4, which is rugged, durable, and has very few moving parts. I recently decided to give
the Road Morph a try and I love it. It does not feel as solid and it seems to have a lot of parts
which could get broken off, but it is much easier to use. The hose reduces the risk of killing the
tube at the stem and the fold-out handle and foot make getting a tire up to full pressure much
easier. The built-in gauge, while not exceedingly accurate, is quite helpful.

nbar hasa no guage morph on sale-that with a radio slack digital air pressure guage might
be a winner.

ed said:

Not to open a can of worms but, short of all the hype from magazines and the manufactures, who has
the best overall frame pump? I currently have a Zephal HPx2 and using on 700x38c tires it takes
over 500 strokes to get me close to 100 PSI. Is there anything better than going Co2?

Look into the ToPeak Road morph. Great pump. Easily pumps up to 120psi. I donno how many strokes,
but it doesn't matter since it is easy. Certainly nowhere near what you are talking about. Couple of
minutes. The gauge is nice -- not a literal scale, but works relatively, so once you know what 100
means on that pump, the gauge is useful.

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