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  1. Rather OT I'm afraid, but this caught my eye:

    "Mobile speed cameras are to be used at accident hotspots to try to reduce the numbers of people
    being killed or injured.

    "The first of five vans to be deployed across the city will be in place outside a school in
    Greenwich, south-east London, on Wednesday after parents asked for help in getting drivers to
    slow down.

    "Transport for London (TfL) says the mobile units will be clearly marked and police officers will
    wear highly visible clothing.

    "The initiative is part of TfL's strategy to reduce the 6,000 people killed or seriously injured on
    London's roads each year.

    "The parents of children at Deansfield Primary School on Rochester Way wrote to TfL after there were
    six accidents and two fatalities in two years on the busy commuter route.

    "TfL found that on average drivers were doing 43mph in a 30mph limit."

    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/2979576.stm>

    Note that the cameras and operators will be very conspicuous. Presumably that means that a driver
    doing 43mph past a primary school is only dangerous if he doesn't care about getting caught. An
    interesting possibility, but untested as far as I know.

    Which comes back to my thoughts on "road owners" - the only programme which has definitely reduced
    road accidents is the legislation on drink driving. Drivers comply when there is a real danger of
    losing their licence. So it's time to up the stakes: 50% above the speed limit = automatic 6-month
    ban; any death or serious injury caused by careless driving = automatic 12 month ban, plus whatever
    additional penalties the courts hand down.

    And, of course, cut their goolies off ;-)

    --
    Guy
    ===
    I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
    about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
    wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

  2. In "]news:[email hidden], Just zis Guy, you know?
    <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:


    Which comes back to my thoughts on "road owners" - the only programme which has definitely reduced
    road accidents is the legislation on drink driving. Drivers comply when there is a real danger of
    losing their licence. So it's time to up the stakes: 50% above the speed limit = automatic 6-month
    ban; any death or serious injury caused by careless driving = automatic 12 month ban, plus
    whatever additional penalties the courts hand down.

    AFAIR that is already effectively in place but on a mph basis. The charges and penalties change
    dramatically if you are more than 20mph over the speed
    limit.

    Tony

    --
    raven-family.comraven-family.com

    "All truth goes through three steps: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed.
    Finally, it is accepted as self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer

  3. Just zis Guy, you know? deftly scribbled:

    Quoted message said:

    Rather OT I'm afraid, but this caught my eye:

    Quoted message said:

    "TfL found that on average drivers were doing 43mph in a 30mph limit."

    That bit was especially disconcerting ..

    Quoted message said:

    Which comes back to my thoughts on "road owners" - the only programme which has definitely reduced
    road accidents is the legislation on drink driving. Drivers comply when there is a real danger of
    losing their licence. So it's time to up the stakes: 50% above the speed limit = automatic 6-month
    ban; any death or serious injury caused by careless driving = automatic 12 month ban, plus
    whatever additional penalties the courts hand down.

    This does happen somewhat using the 'totting up' procedure. there is also an (unwritten I believe)
    understanding that speeds about 25% above the limit IIRC will attract higher penalties. The problem
    you're highlighting I think is that it's at the discretion of .. whoever ..

    Quoted message said:

    And, of course, cut their goolies off ;-)

    Heheheh ..

    --
    Digweed

  4. Digweed said:

    Just zis Guy, you know? deftly scribbled:

    Quoted message said:

    Rather OT I'm afraid, but this caught my eye:

    Quoted message said:

    "TfL found that on average drivers were doing 43mph in a 30mph
    limit."

    That bit was especially disconcerting ..

    But not altogether surprising. Larrington Towers is opposite a primary school, but it seems to make
    little difference to the local Max Power addicts, the ones with nine million bhp stereos in their
    Vauxhall Novas. One day I shall get hold of the automatic machine gun technology that the East
    Germans used to use at the border and adapt it to fire paint at their windscreens...

    Dave Larrington - legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uklegslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk
    ===========================================================
    Editor - British Human Power Club Newsletter
    bhpc.org.ukbhpc.org.uk
    ===========================================================

  5. (wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX) said:
    Quoted message said:

    One day I shall get hold of the automatic machine gun technology that the East Germans used to use
    at the border and adapt it to fire paint at their windscreens...

    How about an exocet missile launcher for a more permanent solution?

    I was going to suggest giving speed guns to the lollipop ladies

    like some 1970s children's tv programme)

    But I think Helen has a point here. Real armaments would be so much more effective.

    -dan

    --

    cliki.netcliki.net - Link farm for free CL-on-Unix resources

  6. Digweed said:

    Painball guns .. wdp-paintball.co.ukir3count.htm

    How disappointing: it was only a typo.

  7. Dave Larrington deftly scribbled:

    Quoted message said:
    Digweed said:

    Just zis Guy, you know? deftly scribbled:

    Quoted message said:

    Rather OT I'm afraid, but this caught my eye:

    Quoted message said:

    "TfL found that on average drivers were doing 43mph in a 30mph
    limit."

    That bit was especially disconcerting ..

    But not altogether surprising. Larrington Towers is opposite a primary school, but it seems to
    make little difference to the local Max Power addicts, the ones with nine million bhp stereos in
    their Vauxhall Novas. One day I shall get hold of the automatic machine gun technology that the
    East Germans used to use at the border and adapt it to fire paint at their windscreens...

    LOL .. BB pellets .. tinyurl.come24f

    Painball guns .. wdp-paintball.co.ukir3count.htm

    😉

    --
    Digweed

  8. Stan Cox deftly scribbled:

    Quoted message said:

    "Stan Cox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ===

    Now just post this on uk.rec.tosspot and retire to a safe distance....on second thoughts run like
    hell 🙂

    Stan Cox

    Oops dont know where that .rec came from. We all know that being a cager isnt recreational 🙂

    Sorry, but at least two of the vehicles I have are purely recreational .. 😉

    --
    Digweed

  9. Just zis Guy said:

    Which comes back to my thoughts on "road owners" - the only programme which has definitely reduced
    road accidents is the legislation on drink driving. Drivers comply when there is a real danger of
    losing their licence. So it's time to up the stakes: 50% above the speed limit = automatic 6-month
    ban; any death or serious injury caused by careless driving = automatic 12 month ban, plus whatever
    additional penalties the courts hand down.

    Why should someone who has killed through careless driving ever be allowed back in a car?
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  10. Gonzalez said:
    Just zis Guy said:

    Which comes back to my thoughts on "road owners" - the only programme which has definitely
    reduced road accidents is the legislation on drink driving. Drivers comply when there is a real
    danger of losing their licence. So it's time to up the stakes: 50% above the speed limit =
    automatic 6-month ban; any death or serious injury caused by careless driving = automatic 12
    month ban, plus whatever additional penalties the courts hand down.

    Why should someone who has killed through careless driving ever be allowed back in a car?

    I can't agree more.

    In the latest CTC mag there is a reference to new sentencing guidelines for motorists who kill. Lord
    Woolf, the Lord Chief Justice, is quoted as saying: "Drivers must know that, if a person is killed
    as a result of their driving dangerously, a custodial sentence will normally be imposed no matter
    what the mitigating circumstances".

    He has also said that those who kill because they use mobile phones or fall asleep should face terms
    of up the ten years.

    I realise there is a technical difference between careless and dangerous, though I have difficulties
    in understanding the reasons for this in many cases, other than giving the offender the chance of a
    lower penalty and the courts an easier time.

    John B

  11. Daniel Barlow said:

    I was going to suggest giving speed guns to the lollipop ladies

    Dull but worthy answer: school crossing patrols.

    Guy
    ===
    ** WARNING ** This posting may contain traces of irony. chapmancentral.comchapmancentral.com (BT ADSL and
    dynamic DNS permitting)
    NOTE: BT Openworld have now blocked port 25 (without notice), so old mail addresses may no longer
    work. Apologies.

  12. Not me said:

    Sorry, but at least two of the vehicles I have are purely recreational .. 😉

    Yeah, but presumably those are the two-wheeled biologically powered vehicles.

    --
    Danny Colyer (remove safety to reply) ( juggler.netdanny ) Recumbent cycle page:
    speedy5.freeserve.co.ukrecumbents "He who dares not offend cannot be honest." -
    Thomas Paine

  13. Just zis Guy said:

    Rather OT I'm afraid, but this caught my eye:

    "Mobile speed cameras are to be used at accident hotspots to try to reduce the numbers of people
    being killed or injured.

    "The first of five vans to be deployed across the city will be in place outside a school in
    Greenwich, south-east London, on Wednesday after parents asked for help in getting drivers to
    slow down.

    Reminds me of a newspaper article that I wish I had kept. Went something along the lines of:

    "after months of campaigning by parents, police set up a speed camera outside blahblah primary
    school. The first person booked was Mrs XYZ, a mother of three, dropping her children off at the
    school, caught travelling in excess of 60km/hr in a 40km/hr zone,. Mrs XYZ was one of the most vocal
    of the parents campaigning for the the speed cameras"

    Oh well, time to go home now. Off to play in the traffic...

    Adrain

    ---------------------------------------------------------------
    Adrian Tritschler "][email hidden] Latitude 38°S, Longitude 145°E,
    Altitude 50m, Shoe size 44
    ---------------------------------------------------------------

  14. "wafflyDIRTYcatLITTERhcsBOX" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    One day I shall get hold of the automatic machine gun technology that


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    East Germans used to use at the border and adapt it to fire paint at


    their

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    windscreens...

    How about an exocet missile launcher for a more permanent solution?

    The Exocet is really only designed for use over water.

    An automatically steered pulse laser would not require such frequent reloading, although the
    electricity bill may rise quite steeply.

    Now, is there any kind of self-defence armament one can carry _on_the_bike_ (against dogs, dog
    owners, men who get out of white vans etc) that is actually legal and effective?

    --
    Mark South Citizen of the World, Denizen of the Net

  15. Ambrose Nankivell said:

    bakelite computer* to engage in wholesome plummy voiced discussion.

    *or electronik brane, as they were called at that time (by Molesworth, that is)

    Do not knoc the simple plesures of the New Elizabeathan Age. Molesworth kno enuff to larff at toda's
    degennerate cultuer. Eg:

    alice.dryden.co.ukho for hoggwarts.htm

    Go on read it o you mite its GRATE.

  16. In "]news:[email hidden], Stan Cox
    <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:

    "Stan Cox" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    ===

    Now just post this on uk.rec.tosspot and retire to a safe distance....on second thoughts run like
    hell 🙂

    Stan Cox

    Oops dont know where that .rec came from. We all know that being a cager isnt recreational 🙂

    uk.rec.driving exists, for some reason. Maybe it's a throwback from the newsgroups of the 1950s
    where the whole family gathered round the bakelite computer* to engage in wholesome plummy voiced
    discussion.

    *or electronik brane, as they were called at that time (by Molesworth, that
    is)

  17. In "]news:[email hidden], Henry Braun
    <[email hidden]> typed:

    Quoted message said:
    Ambrose Nankivell said:

    bakelite computer* to engage in wholesome plummy voiced discussion.

    *or electronik brane, as they were called at that time (by Molesworth, that is)

    Do not knoc the simple plesures of the New Elizabeathan Age. Molesworth kno enuff to larff at
    toda's degennerate cultuer. Eg:

    alice.dryden.co.ukho for hoggwarts.htm

    Go on read it o you mite its GRATE.

    Many thanks, I'll waste an hour on that right now.

  18. "Henry Braun" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    alice.dryden.co.ukho for hoggwarts.htm

    Topp website! Mr Larrington will no doubt approve equally.

    --
    Guy
    ===
    I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
    about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
    wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

  19. Henry Braun said:

    Go on read it o you mite its GRATE.

    Topp paij cheers cheers cheers. Giv that siklist a suply of burbon Creams.

  20. And right on cue Auntie comes up with an answer:

    <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2980942.stm>

    --
    Guy
    ===
    I wonder if you wouldn't mind piecing out our imperfections with your thoughts; and while you're
    about it perhaps you could think when we talk of bicycles, that you see them printing their proud
    wheels i' the receiving earth; thanks awfully.

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