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  1. HA HA KNEW that title would get ur attention!

    hi all,,

    im thinking about saving up for a coker as its somthing id really like
    to try and i recon i cuold easily commute to wrk if i had 1! well anyway
    i was browsing some old theads about cokers and it seems to me that
    everyone's doing crazy little mods to them

    rnt cokers good enuf as they are? or am i going nuts LOL i know people
    do lotsa mods to regular unis but thats silly!

    hope to hear from you guys soon!

    hhmmmm, coker? girafffe? coker? giraffe?

    bungle

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  2. BungleBanks said:

    *It seems to me that everyone's doing crazy little mods to them. rnt
    cokers good enuf as they are? or am i going nuts LOL i know people do
    lotsa mods to regular unis but thats silly!*

    The only real answer to the coker vs. giraffe question is "Both, but
    Coker first..." 🙂 Giraffe is gratuitous uni, but Coker is essential
    transportation.

    To your other question, I'm sure others will jump in with more detailed
    responses, but here are my thoughts as someone that has made (or at
    least paid for) many modifications.

    1) For basic distance riding, there is nothing "wrong" with a stock
    Coker. I think most people with stock Cokers are perfectly happy, as was
    I when I had one. People are putting thousands of miles on them with no
    problems. BUT...there are two issues with the stock Coker that tend to
    drive most of the modifications.

    2) The first and most common modification is a seat and handle upgrade.
    Look at what the stock one comes with...a basic hard seat and no handle.
    Not very compatable with distance riding and long saddle time. Some
    type of airseat is a huge improvement here, as is at least a basic
    handle addition like the GB4, which not only gives you a way to get some
    of your weight off the seat occassionally, it also gives you leverage
    for climbs or descents, and a place to mount your computer.

    3) The second and less common (but more expensive) set of modifications
    involve upgrades to the rim, to the hub and rim, or to the hub, rim, and
    frame. The stock Coker rim and narrow hub, combined with the large
    wheel diameter, make it weak overall. Maybe Brian McK will post a link
    to his famous video illustrating this weakness.

    In addition to overall weakness, the stock rim is flexy, which makes
    smooth braking a challenge. Not everyone wants or needs a brake, so not
    everyone cares about this. My knees are a horrorshow, and I need a
    brake, so the upgrade was key for me. The combination of the custom
    Airfoil rims and one of the new wide hubs makes the wheel much stiffer
    and stronger, which helps both for braking, and for rough terrain or
    small drops which could taco a stock rim.

    As for frame upgrades, I think a lot of them are driven by the
    combination of the extra-wide hub, which doesn't fit the stock Coker
    frame. Plus the nice custom frames like the GB4 or Hunter are stiffer
    and more durable. Plus they're just eye candy...very nice to look at and
    very cool to own. http://gallery.unicyclist.com/GB4-36-custom/IMG_0632

    I remember a post from Nathan (which I can't find now) where he talked
    about all the different iterations of coker setup he had. I think his
    summary was that the wide hub and airfoil rim upgrade had the single
    biggest effect on the performance and stability of the distance machine.
    I can't say from my own experience, as I did my upgrade all at once,
    going from a stock coker with airseat to a GB4 36 with U-Turn's
    "Strongest Coker Wheel" and other bell$ and whi$tle$.

    I can't say for sure whether having the nicer setup has made the
    difference, but my cokering ability has improved significantly since
    getting the custom machine. That might just be because I've now put
    twice as many miles on it as I had on my original stock setup.

    So to net that out, I'd say unless you _know_ you're committed to
    putting serious distance on the thing, and will be riding on rough
    terrain, and will be wanting a brake, a stock Coker with an airseat and
    handle upgrade should be quite sufficient.

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  3. i support what tom said. i am currently running a KH airseat, udc
    hardened hub, airfoil rim, rear rack, rack bag, brake, and cyclometer.
    i have definitely ridden my coker way more now that i have these
    upgrades. my stock coker was fine, and really cool, but now it is more
    enjoyable to ride and easier to put in the serious miles.

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  4. BungleBanks said:

    *hhmmmm, coker? girafffe? coker? giraffe?*

    y not both? u cud do a "crazy little mod" and weld a coker fork to the
    bottom of yer giraffe, and make the necessary chain adjustments! that
    would give u a uni that is high speed, and puts u 6 feet in the air!!
    hooray 4 danger!!!

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  5. The GB4 frames look a lot nicer, how much does a gb4 coker frame usually
    cost?

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  6. Two points. The stock coker frame will take the new UDC extrawide hub.
    I purchased a GB4 36" a couple of months ago and it was $230 with the
    magura hardware included. The GB4 36" is top notch.

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  7. Stock Cokers are a crapshoot. The rim is either OK or it will taco for
    no apparent reason. I have been lucky. I've had a stock Coker for three
    or four years with an airseat and Wellgo pedals. Those were the only two
    upgrades I made. The airseat I find essential. I have hopped up and
    ridden down curbs and some stairs. I have gone off an 18" drop. I weigh
    about 190 lbs. Like I say, I've been lucky. As for mileage, I have no
    cycle computer but I commute daily with it in good weather in seasons
    with daylight at commute times. My commute is 12 miles roundtrip so I
    can put 60 miles on it in a week in the spring, summer, and autumn just
    commuting. That said, I am ready to install my third tire.

    The longest distance I have ridden a Coker at one time is 25 miles and
    that was an easy ride. Those who do mods like them in part because it
    allows them to tour more easily. I think they're silly and like to make
    fun of them, the silly handlebars and huge Winnebago bags. Mostly it's
    just to get a response from the people I ride with who are wise enough,
    unfotunately, to know not to react when their buttons are being pushed.
    I ride with the greatest group of people imaginable. We have had rides
    with a herd of nine Cokers before.

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  8. harper said:

    * Those who do mods like them in part because it allows them to tour
    more easily. I think they're silly and like to make fun of them, the
    silly handlebars and huge Winnebago bags. *

    Sigmund Freud would certainly have something to say about people who use
    those long Coker handles. Those Winnebago bags are necessary for the
    extra emotional baggage caused by the excessive Coker handle.

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  9. Coker without a doubt before a giraffe. Giraffes are fun, but not very
    functional. Cokers are fun and big time functional.

    I'm still running a stock wheel and frame with a KH saddle. I wish I
    had an air saddle and handlebars and will probably add them this year.
    Am seriously considering a wheel upgrade also. Then a new frame will be
    sometime in the future. Then I can post pretty pictures like Tom (nice
    photo album Tom) and make everyone jealous of the 36er I own. Sigh,
    must be patient, must earn more money.

    I only did 200 miles this year, but was considering a goal of 500 OR
    1,000 miles for this year, including a 50 miler. My longest ride at
    this point was a solo ride for 31 miles (that's when I learned the
    importance of an air saddle and handlebars!). After reading this thread
    and especially seeing Tom's photo album, I am definitely shooting for
    the 1,000 miles. I figure about 2 rides a week for a total of 25 miles
    will give me 100 miles a month. If I start in January, I get a 2 month
    buffer! Piece of cake! Oh yeah, thanks to a nice Christmas gift
    "unidaddy" got from his wife, I have a fellow coker rider to help me
    chip away at the mileage.

    Thanks for the inspiration gentlemen! Happy New Year!

    Bill

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  10. john_childs said:

    *Sigmund Freud would certainly have something to say about people who
    use those long Coker handles. Those Winnebago bags are necessary for
    the extra emotional baggage caused by the excessive Coker handle. *

    To quote David Crosby: "Sheer profundity..."

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  11. gasmaster said:

    *y not both? u cud do a "crazy little mod" and weld a coker fork to
    the bottom of yer giraffe, and make the necessary chain adjustments!
    that would give u a uni that is high speed, and puts u 6 feet in the
    air!! hooray 4 danger!!! *

    On John Foss's web site I think there is a spot that talks about how to
    make giraffes go super fast by replacing the Sprocket thingies.

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  12. Woops

    Actually that was in a uni magazine. On one wheel i believe.

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  13. Don't get a giraffe unless you want to perform on it. They're dull as
    hell otherwise.

    You can ride thousands of miles on a stock coker. However, I'd say
    Cokers need a seat with a handle on it as a minimum, eg. a KH seat.

    Airseats, special coker handles etc. are nice but not vital. I'm still
    riding stock coker except for cranks (short), pedals (spiky pin pedals)
    and seat (normal KH one). It's cool and has been so for over 3000 miles.
    I don't like airseats because they get flats, KH seats are comfy enough
    that if you ride distances regularly you don't need the air cushion so
    much.

    If you can afford it, unicycle.com can get most of the parts for posh
    cokers, but they're way way expensive.

    Joe

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  14. tomblackwood said:

    *Maybe Brian McK will post a link to his famous video illustrating
    this weakness. *

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