Cold weather question

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden]
of 24 Dec 2004:

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How to keep toes warm in very cold temps.
Any ideas. Socks often are not enough.

I'm no expert (I live in Georgia), but I've heard of people using vaseline.
Also, wool socks might help. www.smartwool.com

Phil M.

Quoted message said:

How to keep toes warm in very cold temps.
Any ideas. Socks often are not enough.

TIA,

PUT ON SHOES YOU DUMB(_!_)

Dennis said:

How to keep toes warm in very cold temps.

First, what are "very cold temps" to you - near -20F or +20F or ...?
And how long a duration are you looking at on avg - 30 min, 4 hrs, ...?

Quoted message said:

Any ideas. Socks often are not enough.

Shoes are usually a good idea 😉 Although I'll have to admit that last
week a couple of us were discusssing walking or running barefoot in the
snow - from experience - which is why I suggest shoes 🙂

But as Phil mentioned, SmartWool socks work really well. They come in
different weights and heights, but I'd only consider at least crew
height for cold temperature running. Vaseline is useful for wet/snowy
weather, although I don't usually use it unless expecting to be wet
-perhaps running in snow.

Dot

--
"Dream Big, and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughn
who was with Byrd in Antarctica and whose 99th birthday was Dec 19

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Quoted message said:

How to keep toes warm in very cold temps.
Any ideas. Socks often are not enough.

TIA,

PUT ON SHOES YOU DUMB(_!_)

Did I say I was running without shoes? Learn to read,
you dimwitted asswipe!

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Our little pal here, elected to contact me via email, using vulgarities, and
offensive content, instead of posting here. Upon asking himto cease and

desist,

Quoted message said:

he repeated his harassing emails, and questioned wether I really reported

him.

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I sent him the reply I had already received from his ISP, and he repeated his
vulgarities, and offensive emails, which of course were also reported.
Too bad, Charter net runs a REALLY tight ship, so he's bye bye next week.

Who gives a rats ass!

Dennis said:

How to keep toes warm in very cold temps.
Any ideas. Socks often are not enough.

Surprising. My feet are always cold, but when I get out running, my
feet, like my hands, warm up after 20 minutes or so and stay quite warm
regardless of the temperature or wind. Only rain/slush getting my feet
wet usually chills my feet uncomfortably. And all I wear on my feet is
a single pair of cotton/nylon sports socks and a pair of Brooks running
shoes (Radius IV).

-- Josh in Syracuse where it can get kinda cold

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Who gives a rats ass!

The question isn't " who gives one", but what's always bothered me was, if
someone has a rats ass to give, what happened to the rest of the rat?

Dennis,

You might try covering part or all of the breathing pad on your shoes with
something like scotch gard to reduce the escape of the heat generated by
your feet during the run.

Bob
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How to keep toes warm in very cold temps.
Any ideas. Socks often are not enough.

TIA,

Dennis

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Dennis said:

How to keep toes warm in very cold temps.
Any ideas. Socks often are not enough.

Surprising. My feet are always cold, but when I get out running, my
feet, like my hands, warm up after 20 minutes or so and stay quite
warm regardless of the temperature or wind. Only rain/slush getting
my feet wet usually chills my feet uncomfortably. And all I wear on
my feet is a single pair of cotton/nylon sports socks and a pair of
Brooks running shoes (Radius IV).

But you are cut from an entirely different mold. You used to wear shorts
in winter temps that gave parts of my body a chill in a warm room just
thinking about.

-DougF

Doug Freese said:

But you are cut from an entirely different mold. You used to wear shorts
in winter temps that gave parts of my body a chill in a warm room just
thinking about.

-DougF

You da man, Doug! Memory like a steel trap! Yeah, I'm cold-resistant
when I warm up 10 minutes into a run, but then again my feet are
freezing walking around the house or sitting quietly reading with my
feet up and several layers on my feet.

To remind you, my calf muscle tears finally wisened me up and I wear
long pants (over my compression shorts) when it's below 30 degrees F.
Below zero, two pairs compression shorts and the long pants from EMS.
So don't sit home worrying about me, Doug!

-- Josh

Joshua Steinberg said:

Doug Freese said:

But you are cut from an entirely different mold. You used to wear shorts
in winter temps that gave parts of my body a chill in a warm room just
thinking about.

-DougF

You da man, Doug! Memory like a steel trap! Yeah, I'm cold-resistant
when I warm up 10 minutes into a run, but then again my feet are
freezing walking around the house or sitting quietly reading with my
feet up and several layers on my feet.

To remind you, my calf muscle tears finally wisened me up and I wear
long pants (over my compression shorts) when it's below 30 degrees F.
Below zero, two pairs compression shorts and the long pants from EMS.
So don't sit home worrying about me, Doug!

I always smartly chuckle at runners wearing
shorts in 30F temps. Best way to prevent muscle
injury IMO and experience is to to keep warmed
up muscles warm...

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of
26 Dec 2004:

Quoted message said:

I always smartly chuckle at runners wearing
shorts in 30F temps. Best way to prevent muscle
injury IMO and experience is to to keep warmed
up muscles warm...

30F is about as cold as my runs get right now. I wear shorts during all of
my runs (so far). My feeling is that my muscles remain warm, although my
skin is cold. If I put vaseline on my legs, then that will eliminate the
bite from the wind and cold. IMO, if my legs are moving me along at good
pace, then my muscles aren't likely to get too cold. Anyway, that has been
my experience.

Phil M.

Phil M. said:

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of
26 Dec 2004:

Quoted message said:

I always smartly chuckle at runners wearing
shorts in 30F temps. Best way to prevent muscle
injury IMO and experience is to to keep warmed
up muscles warm...

30F is about as cold as my runs get right now. I wear shorts during all of
my runs (so far). My feeling is that my muscles remain warm, although my
skin is cold. If I put vaseline on my legs, then that will eliminate the
bite from the wind and cold. IMO, if my legs are moving me along at good
pace, then my muscles aren't likely to get too cold. Anyway, that has been
my experience.

I used to go with shorts for most of the time, but more recently I've changed
this.

Here's a question -- why not wear tights/pants ? There's a good reason to
keep warm downstairs, but is there are reason to keep cool ? I don't get as
much sweat buildup downstairs as I do around my back, armpits, and head, so
I've found it doesn't hurt to wear tights or pants even when it's not all that
cold. For example, I can wear my sugoi midzero tights under conditions where
I would get drenched if I tried wearing a similar top.

The main advantage apart from being protected from unforseen bad weather (if
it starts raining or gusting, I'd much rather have tights than shorts!) is
that I don't have any problems chaffing when I wear tights, whereas shorts can
be a problem, especially if it's cold. Sure I could put on vaseline, but why
not just put on something that's comfortable to begin with ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of
26 Dec 2004:

Quoted message said:

I always smartly chuckle at runners wearing
shorts in 30F temps.

Then the sheep-boinker said:

30F is about as cold as my runs get right now. I wear shorts during all of
my runs (so far)

Too hard to catch the sheep in trews?

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If I put vaseline on my legs,

Were else do you use it?

Quoted message said:

I used to go with shorts for most of the time, but more recently I've changed
this.

Au Natural?

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Here's a question -- why not wear tights/pants ?

Because they are GAY! Of course, this doen't bother you, for obvious reasons.

Quoted message said:

I used to go with shorts for most of the time, but more recently I've changed
this.

Au Natural?

Quoted message said:

Here's a question -- why not wear tights/pants ?

Because they are GAY! Of course, this doen't bother you, for obvious reasons.

Phil M. said:

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of
26 Dec 2004:

Quoted message said:

I always smartly chuckle at runners wearing
shorts in 30F temps. Best way to prevent muscle
injury IMO and experience is to to keep warmed
up muscles warm...

30F is about as cold as my runs get right now. I wear shorts during all of
my runs (so far). My feeling is that my muscles remain warm, although my
skin is cold. If I put vaseline on my legs, then that will eliminate the
bite from the wind and cold. IMO, if my legs are moving me along at good
pace, then my muscles aren't likely to get too cold. Anyway, that has been
my experience.

Phil M.

I disagree because you're working at cross purposes.
The body reacts to colder air by constricting blood flow
to maintain core heat. You may feel warm, but if your
skin is cold it's due to less blood flow to those parts
even though you may be pumping those legs in record time.

Also can't rightly separate skin, outer tissues, tendons,
ligaments, etc. from the deeper muscles IMO. When you run,
you're working _everything_. Thus I like to keep my skin
and shallower tissues as warm as possible. Not as warm as
my core but not cold and I balance my clothing appropriately.
Vaseline can eliminate the bite but I'd personally never
wear shorts below about 45F, which is also about the temp
I usually don long sleeves to prevent heat loss via arms.

Anyway my 2 cents 🙂

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of 26
Dec 2004:

Quoted message said:

Here's a question -- why not wear tights/pants ? There's a good reason
to keep warm downstairs, but is there are reason to keep cool ? I
don't get as much sweat buildup downstairs as I do around my back,
armpits, and head, so I've found it doesn't hurt to wear tights or
pants even when it's not all that cold. For example, I can wear my
sugoi midzero tights under conditions where I would get drenched if I
tried wearing a similar top.

I see your point. The legs don't seem to be affected by the temps one way
or the other. I guess that's my reasoning for *not* wearing tights.
However, I was thinking of trying the Sugoi Matrix tights. Compared to the
midzero I think they're more lightweight. I have a pair of Asics Corium
tights that I bought about 8 years ago. Maybe I'm due for a new pair. I'm
always looking for an excuse to shop for new running stuff ;-)

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The main advantage apart from being protected from unforseen bad
weather (if it starts raining or gusting, I'd much rather have tights
than shorts!) is that I don't have any problems chaffing when I wear
tights, whereas shorts can be a problem, especially if it's cold. Sure
I could put on vaseline, but why not just put on something that's
comfortable to begin with ?

Last winter I did wear Hind running pants or Hind animal shorts (short
tights). But I was running mostly at night when the temps were frequently
in the 20s. In the 30s and sunny, I don't feel the need. I never have any
problems with chafing for runs under 20 miles. Even over 20 it's not that
bad. If there was a chance for rain during a long run, then I would go with
the tights. I did a long run last winter while it was raining with temps in
the 30s. I had on the Hind running pants, but they quickly got cold and
wet. If those conditions happen again, I will certainly be wearing tights.

Phil M.