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  1. Found this article amusing....also references some on-line boards wherein some
    Masters were ripping Hellebuyck.
    _____

    Drug cheat winners are committing theft
    By Steve Nearman (Washington Times)

    Sprinter Michelle Collins and marathoner Eddy Hellebuyck received their
    sentences last week for using illegal performance-enhancing drugs.
    Collins was banned from the sport for eight years, effectively ending the
    33-year-old's competitive career. Hellebuyck drew a two-year ban, interrupting
    the 43-year-old's extension of a long and successful career.
    Thus the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) marked two more successes in a
    year when more than a dozen athletes have been temporarily tossed from
    professional track and field and road racing. Some, like Regina Jacobs, have
    conveniently announced their retirements rather than being appropriately
    disgraced.
    USA Track & Field's zero-tolerance policy appears to be working, as
    evidenced by the lack of American drug cheats in the 2004 Athens Olympics
    exposed thus far.
    The bans, however, are not enough.
    These cheating athletes should spend time in prison.
    Collins, Hellebuyck and all the other guilty track and field athletes were
    merely slapped on the wrist for stealing hundreds of thousands if not millions
    of dollars in prize money and sponsorships — along with fame and records —
    from athletes who played it straight and came up short.
    And yet it doesn't seem like anybody is talking grand larceny here.
    Immediately after USADA's announcement of Hellebuyck's suspension, there
    was talk on the masters online list from athletes who had placed closely behind
    the 1996 Olympian from Belgium who became an American in 1999.
    Several athletes posted angry missives about Hellebuyck because he had
    beaten them in competitions where the prize money was significant. Hellebuyck
    was still able to earn a living in the sport he had competed in for more than
    two decades — he said in an interview last year he earned $48,000 in 2002 —
    because there is decent prize money for masters at major competitions.
    Had I been a talented enough athlete to finish behind Hellebuyck and either
    in or just out the money, you can bet I would have sued him for financial
    damages.
    Take, for example, his payday at the 2003 Twin Cities Marathon: $30,500 in
    prize money and bonuses.
    He was awarded $20,000 for first place overall, while the runner-up
    received $12,000. He netted another $2,500 as the first American, while the
    second American earned $1,500. He was the first masters runner and winner of
    the USA Masters Marathon Championships, collecting another $4,000 and $3,000,
    respectively, while the runner-ups earned $3,000 and $2,000.
    Plus, he shattered the U.S. masters marathon record by four minutes with a
    2:12:47 (he ran ninth in 2:19:59 the year before on the same course), his
    sixth-fastest time in more than 90 marathons.
    I don't see him giving back the money, or his American masters records (5K,
    10K, 15K, 10 miles and marathon), or his numerous national championships. He
    still does not believe he was guilty of anything.
    "If I was the athlete to cheat, I would have been doing so 20 years ago,
    not on the fumes of my retirement," he said in the interview with Runner's
    World.
    Retirement? The guy was still making a decent living in the only career he
    knows, running nearly the same marathon times as a 42-year-old (2:12:47) he was
    running as a 33-year-old (personal best 2:11:50). As long as that was the case,
    I suspect Hellebuyck would have kept on racing well into his 50s rather than
    working eight-hour shifts at some local running store in his hometown of
    Albuquerque, N.M., selling running shoes to eight-hour marathoners.
    Meanwhile, Collins' gold in the 2003 world championships is significantly
    more valuable than her runner-up silver in terms of sponsorship dollars.
    If you steal from your employer's bank account, you go to prison. If you
    cheat the IRS on your tax return, you go to prison. There is no reason why
    athletes like Hellebuyck and Collins and Jacobs should not go to prison for
    stealing money from their competitors.
    Zero tolerance is good, but for most athletes, the two-year ban is worth
    the risk, especially if it is between Olympic years. If we look at the drug
    violation as a financial crime with major consequences, it may not be worth the
    risk any longer.

  2. A runner in prison? Does the word "[censored]" or words "bend over pretty boy" come
    to mind? That's like putting a 4 yo in the state pen. How about just making
    them pay it back? Then only the gay ones will want to go to prison.

  3. Quoted message said:

    Then only the gay ones will want to go to prison.

    (swimmers and divers)

  4. Hellebuyck & $

    Group: (Lanceandrew)
    Found this article amusing....
            If you steal from your employer's bank account,
    you go to prison. If you cheat the IRS on your tax return, you go to
    prison. There is no reason why athletes like Hellebuyck and Collins and
    Jacobs should not go to prison for stealing money from their
    competitors.
            Zero tolerance is good, but for most athletes,
    the two-year ban is worth the risk, especially if it is between Olympic
    years. If we look at the drug violation as a financial crime with major
    consequences, it may not be worth the risk any longer.

    Your so full of shat!
    Get the f off of this post as a talk discuss group (_!_) O.

    all of you.

    KYA and you were not invited.
    2585 miles.

    note to self, when biking in below zero temps. and toes frozen, if walk
    awhile the toes work fine again.
    bone in left center ball still messed up. seperateing some.
    Hell biker.
    road choc good found. and pork chops and brad got for cans today. time
    to eat.
    rye for L>S>D> long slow distance.

    snow ski do. take all cans off snow roads.
    so raid other areas.
    illegal to ride here on road,
    butt that just the way it is.
    sorry tim 95 K... I get that way some times. ' weight 6 a.m. -2
    F....after G Bay and Fl Jak game. I still say outside all night. fans
    of nba. and I made. 20 cent to store on roads.
    this e mail gone.
    I sa out of here.

  5. 20 cents
    store said. $1.80,
    had some 10 cent cans from raid at other place. 2 days back. 2574.
    got $2.10 on way back. from 2 bags of throw out on road fresh.
    Hay ski does. dirt and salt on road today. so gas money to ride. is to
    say. worst it.
    time to eat all. by by

    My point is:
    25%off all espn gear from miller lite beer, who theif tok and replace in
    my place with a sorry try again. one is to say?

    sorry just the way it is.
    or as Bandit in the trans am said to Bufort T Justice.
    well this is what I say.
    our Michigan Governer is on it.

    Now do you really think I well see a f ing $............now do you
    Olimpics.....crim (!) ). :>😉 get f real...... I am use to there
    greed.

    numberus years painting. by the hour or job, you buy the paint and
    supplies. Local of Ortonville Michigan. phone not in the book. e mail
    only please. for work only or contact. ( a nature person. most likely be
    outside.)
    e-mail. [email hidden]

  6. "Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Drug cheat winners are committing theft
    By Steve Nearman (Washington Times)

    OMG, twice in one month I find myself in agreement with lance-the-loonie.
    I *must* go back on my meds, I *must* go back on my meds, I...

  7. Quoted message said:

    OMG, twice in one month I find myself in agreement with lance-the-loonie.


    I *must* go back on my meds, I *must* go back on my meds, I...
    ___

    ....is there any way possible "the loonie" has a more distinguished educational
    and professional background than you? just asking....

    ....and who are you?

    what i found interesting about that article is that it referenced a board just
    like this ng....and masters who feel they were unfairly deprived of possible
    winnings over the years and races...[censored] about it.

    i think that article is a product of the chatter bubbling up. that article
    made me think how long will it be before these little $500 and $2,000 races we
    all race in now....start to drug test the winners? Hellebuyck apparently was
    using drugs (EPO) nickel and dime winning $2K here, $5K
    there....etc...annually....in these prize money races scattered about all
    over...

  8. This really gravels my hide. I had not heard about Eddie H. and his
    problems. But he beat me in the Twin Cities Marathon in 2003, and now
    I know why. After all, he's a year older than I. How could he run so
    well? He cheats. If he had not been doped up, I could have placed
    about 4,220th. As it is, I will be just an also-ran.

    Merry Christmas to all.

    Brian Jones

    Lanceandrew said:

    Found this article amusing....also references some on-line boards


    wherein some

    Quoted message said:

    Masters were ripping Hellebuyck.
    _____

    Drug cheat winners are committing theft
    By Steve Nearman (Washington Times)

    Sprinter Michelle Collins and marathoner Eddy Hellebuyck received


    their

    Quoted message said:

    sentences last week for using illegal performance-enhancing drugs.
    Collins was banned from the sport for eight years, effectively


    ending the

    Quoted message said:

    33-year-old's competitive career. Hellebuyck drew a two-year ban,


    interrupting

    Quoted message said:

    the 43-year-old's extension of a long and successful career.
    Thus the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) marked two more


    successes in a

    Quoted message said:

    year when more than a dozen athletes have been temporarily tossed


    from

    Quoted message said:

    professional track and field and road racing. Some, like Regina


    Jacobs, have

    Quoted message said:

    conveniently announced their retirements rather than being


    appropriately

    Quoted message said:

    disgraced.
    USA Track & Field's zero-tolerance policy appears to be working,


    as

    Quoted message said:

    evidenced by the lack of American drug cheats in the 2004 Athens


    Olympics

    Quoted message said:

    exposed thus far.
    The bans, however, are not enough.
    These cheating athletes should spend time in prison.
    Collins, Hellebuyck and all the other guilty track and field


    athletes were

    Quoted message said:

    merely slapped on the wrist for stealing hundreds of thousands if not


    millions

    Quoted message said:

    of dollars in prize money and sponsorships - along with fame and


    records -

    Quoted message said:

    from athletes who played it straight and came up short.
    And yet it doesn't seem like anybody is talking grand larceny


    here.

    Quoted message said:

    Immediately after USADA's announcement of Hellebuyck's


    suspension, there

    Quoted message said:

    was talk on the masters online list from athletes who had placed


    closely behind

    Quoted message said:

    the 1996 Olympian from Belgium who became an American in 1999.
    Several athletes posted angry missives about Hellebuyck because


    he had

    Quoted message said:

    beaten them in competitions where the prize money was significant.


    Hellebuyck

    Quoted message said:

    was still able to earn a living in the sport he had competed in for


    more than

    Quoted message said:

    two decades - he said in an interview last year he earned $48,000


    in 2002 -

    Quoted message said:

    because there is decent prize money for masters at major


    competitions.

    Quoted message said:

    Had I been a talented enough athlete to finish behind Hellebuyck


    and either

    Quoted message said:

    in or just out the money, you can bet I would have sued him for


    financial

    Quoted message said:

    damages.
    Take, for example, his payday at the 2003 Twin Cities Marathon:


    $30,500 in

    Quoted message said:

    prize money and bonuses.
    He was awarded $20,000 for first place overall, while the


    runner-up

    Quoted message said:

    received $12,000. He netted another $2,500 as the first American,


    while the

    Quoted message said:

    second American earned $1,500. He was the first masters runner and


    winner of

    Quoted message said:

    the USA Masters Marathon Championships, collecting another $4,000 and


    $3,000,

    Quoted message said:

    respectively, while the runner-ups earned $3,000 and $2,000.
    Plus, he shattered the U.S. masters marathon record by four


    minutes with a

    Quoted message said:

    2:12:47 (he ran ninth in 2:19:59 the year before on the same course),


    his

    Quoted message said:

    sixth-fastest time in more than 90 marathons.
    I don't see him giving back the money, or his American masters


    records (5K,

    Quoted message said:

    10K, 15K, 10 miles and marathon), or his numerous national


    championships. He

    Quoted message said:

    still does not believe he was guilty of anything.
    "If I was the athlete to cheat, I would have been doing so 20


    years ago,

    Quoted message said:

    not on the fumes of my retirement," he said in the interview with


    Runner's

    Quoted message said:

    World.
    Retirement? The guy was still making a decent living in the only


    career he

    Quoted message said:

    knows, running nearly the same marathon times as a 42-year-old


    (2:12:47) he was

    Quoted message said:

    running as a 33-year-old (personal best 2:11:50). As long as that was


    the case,

    Quoted message said:

    I suspect Hellebuyck would have kept on racing well into his 50s


    rather than

    Quoted message said:

    working eight-hour shifts at some local running store in his hometown


    of

    Quoted message said:

    Albuquerque, N.M., selling running shoes to eight-hour marathoners.
    Meanwhile, Collins' gold in the 2003 world championships is


    significantly

    Quoted message said:

    more valuable than her runner-up silver in terms of sponsorship


    dollars.

    Quoted message said:

    If you steal from your employer's bank account, you go to prison.


    If you

    Quoted message said:

    cheat the IRS on your tax return, you go to prison. There is no


    reason why

    Quoted message said:

    athletes like Hellebuyck and Collins and Jacobs should not go to


    prison for

    Quoted message said:

    stealing money from their competitors.
    Zero tolerance is good, but for most athletes, the two-year ban


    is worth

    Quoted message said:

    the risk, especially if it is between Olympic years. If we look at


    the drug

    Quoted message said:

    violation as a financial crime with major consequences, it may not be


    worth the

    Quoted message said:

    risk any longer.

  9. Quoted message said:

    This really gravels my hide. I had not heard about Eddie H. and his
    problems. But he beat me in the Twin Cities Marathon in 2003, and now
    I know why. After all, he's a year older than I. How could he run so
    well? He cheats. If he had not been doped up, I could have placed
    about 4,220th. As it is, I will be just an also-ran.

    Merry Christmas to all.

    Brian Jones

    Brian,
    Sorry to hear about this trajedy of epic proportions. I'd sue him for your lost
    prize mon... oh, nevermind.

  10. << This really gravels my hide. I had not heard about Eddie H. and his
    problems. But he beat me in the Twin Cities Marathon in 2003, and now
    I know why. After all, he's a year older than I. How could he run so
    well? He cheats. If he had not been doped up, I could have placed
    about 4,220th. As it is, I will be just an also-ran.

    Merry Christmas to all.
    Brian Jones >>

    You deserve better.

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