Re: Soy is Safe.

Jim Webster said:

of course soy is safe, it makes an excellent feed for dairy cows

reading such a statement makes me doubt, that you have even a basic
understanding of a rumen...

lipoxygenase?
trypsine inhibitors?

and what about these?

-broiler litter
-formaldehyde
-methylamine
-propionic acid
-raw straw

all of these make excellent feed for dairy cows...

or how about pouring some spoons of urea over your breakfast ?

and such an answer from a dairy farmer....
for a starter: what might be the differences between the metabolism of
a ruminant and a human ?

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Jim Webster said:

of course soy is safe, it makes an excellent feed for dairy cows

reading such a statement makes me doubt, that you have even a basic
understanding of a rumen...

lipoxygenase?
trypsine inhibitors?

and what about these?

-broiler litter
-formaldehyde
-methylamine
-propionic acid
-raw straw

all of these make excellent feed for dairy cows...

or how about pouring some spoons of urea over your breakfast ?

and that is relevent exactly how?

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and such an answer from a dairy farmer....
for a starter: what might be the differences between the metabolism of
a ruminant and a human ?

simple.
With a ruminant you are actually working with bacterial nutrition as well as
conventional mammalian. Hence urea is an excellent feed for rumen bacteria
who can convert it to bacterial protein, which the cow can then use.
Unless you have large numbers of rumen bacteria I suggest you leave urea to
ruminents

Jim Webster

IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large part of
their diet and for so many years?

Chuck

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Jim Webster said:

of course soy is safe, it makes an excellent feed for dairy cows

reading such a statement makes me doubt, that you have even a basic
understanding of a rumen...

lipoxygenase?
trypsine inhibitors?

and what about these?

-broiler litter
-formaldehyde
-methylamine
-propionic acid
-raw straw

all of these make excellent feed for dairy cows...

or how about pouring some spoons of urea over your breakfast ?

and such an answer from a dairy farmer....
for a starter: what might be the differences between the metabolism of
a ruminant and a human ?

klaus

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Chuck wrote:
IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large

part of

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their diet and for so many years?

Chuck,

I think it's a dairy industry smear campaign. I think they're a little
concerned about the recent upswing in popularity of soy milk. The fact
is Soy beans have been consumed by humans for ages. If you like 'em, I
say eat or drink 'em... I do every day...

Patrick

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IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large part of
their diet and for so many years?

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They didn't have large parts of their diet in soy products like the ones
being processed in the US. It is a different product, and they didn't eat
it as a main course substitute for meat.

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Jim Webster said:

of course soy is safe, it makes an excellent feed for dairy cows

reading such a statement makes me doubt, that you have even a basic
understanding of a rumen...

lipoxygenase?
trypsine inhibitors?

and what about these?

-broiler litter
-formaldehyde
-methylamine
-propionic acid
-raw straw

all of these make excellent feed for dairy cows...

or how about pouring some spoons of urea over your breakfast ?

and such an answer from a dairy farmer....
for a starter: what might be the differences between the metabolism of
a ruminant and a human ?

klaus

Chuck said:

IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large part of
their diet and for so many years?

Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the same
quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet tends
to have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari or miso,
as a flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians also eat it
fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners are consuming it
unfermented and in very large quantities.

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Jim Webster said:

simple.
With a ruminant you are actually working with bacterial nutrition as well as
conventional mammalian. Hence urea is an excellent feed for rumen bacteria
who can convert it to bacterial protein, which the cow can then use.
Unless you have large numbers of rumen bacteria I suggest you leave urea to
ruminents

jim, in all honesty i had no doubt that you knew very well the
functionality of a rumen. the question was purely rhetorical to show
the difference between the two. what made me respond was the way (by a
simple sentence without any argument) you simply transferred ruminal
metabolism to human gut metabolism. in reality there are few relations
between these two. you can feed a lot of chemicals to rumen bacteria,
which would be undigestable by or even nasty to human gut bacteria.
there are a lot of doubts, that metabolism studies between mammalians
(like humans and rats) are inter-tranferrable. vitamin b and vitamin c
deficient humans might be such a problem. there are a lot more
reasons, why we should accept, that there huge differences between
ruminants and "common" warm-blooded digesters.

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Chuck said:

IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large part
of their diet and for so many years?

Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the same
quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet tends to
have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari or miso, as a
flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians also eat it
fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners are consuming it
unfermented and in very large quantities.

I have 6 adopted children, all oriental, they all were raised on soy milk,
tofu(fried) miso and various sauces, both there and here. They also eat
rice daily and except for seafoods, very little of the meats group.
Orientals eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in
particular is used would be an error. We also ship large quantities of
"our" soy to the orient. Are they just feeding it to cows? I don't think
so. When a limited diet is considered I think they are very resourceful

Chuck.

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Chuck said:

IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large part
of their diet and for so many years?

Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the same
quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet tends to
have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari or miso, as

a

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flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians also eat it
fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners are consuming it
unfermented and in very large quantities.

I have 6 adopted children, all oriental, they all were raised on soy milk,
tofu(fried) miso and various sauces, both there and here. They also eat
rice daily and except for seafoods, very little of the meats group.
Orientals eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in
particular is used would be an error. We also ship large quantities of
"our" soy to the orient. Are they just feeding it to cows?

No, most is going to feed poultry and pigs.China is booming, its population
is eating more and more meat.

Jim Webster

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Chuck said:

IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large part
of their diet and for so many years?

Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the same
quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet tends to
have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari or miso, as a
flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians also eat it
fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners are consuming it
unfermented and in very large quantities.

I have 6 adopted children, all oriental,

I'm curious (and more than a bit doubtful). Why do you call them
"oriental" as opposed to Chinese, Japanese, or the more accepted "Asian"?

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they all were raised on soy milk,
tofu(fried) miso and various sauces, both there and here. They also eat
rice daily and except for seafoods, very little of the meats group.

Yeah, right. Is that because *you* don't allow your adopted "oriental"
children to eat meat or because they consciously choose to avoid it even
though it's widely available "both there and here" and accepted in their
culture "both there and here"?

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Orientals

*Asians*, you hillbilly.

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eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in
particular is used would be an error.

Note what I actually wrote: TEND to use fermented soy and consume
unfermented soy products SPARINGLY.

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/9/truth_about_soy.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_update2001.html

And note the following, hillbilly:
Typically soy foods are divided into two categories:
non-fermented and fermented soy products. Traditional
nonfermented soy foods include fresh green soybeans, whole dry
soybeans, soy nuts, soy sprouts, whole-fat soy flour, soymilk
and soymilk products, tofu, okara and yuba. Traditional
fermented soy foods include tempeh, miso, soy sauces, natto and
fermented tofu and soymilk products. In Asia, the
traditional fermented soy foods are considered to have more
health promoting benefits when consumed in moderate amounts than
the super-processed soy products that are consumed in the West.
http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/soy.htm

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We also ship large quantities of
"our" soy to the orient. Are they just feeding it to cows?

That and they're brewing soy sauce and making other soy derivatives for
export.

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I don't think so.

WTF do you know? Do your six children know you call them "orientals"?

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When a limited diet is considered I think they are very resourceful

Their diet isn't limited, and they're not eating much soy.
http://www.medjournal.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-970
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/760787.stm
http://english.people.com.cn/200410/13/eng20041013_160102.html

WOW!!!! All in one breath too. Except they are all adults now, Note, we
are taking care of 4 grandchildren, Mother and father died a few years ago.
but they call themselves Hispasians.

Chuck

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Note what I actually wrote: TEND to use fermented soy and consume
unfermented soy products SPARINGLY.

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/9/truth_about_soy.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_update2001.html

And note the following, hillbilly:
Typically soy foods are divided into two categories:
non-fermented and fermented soy products. Traditional
nonfermented soy foods include fresh green soybeans, whole dry
soybeans, soy nuts, soy sprouts, whole-fat soy flour, soymilk
and soymilk products, tofu, okara and yuba. Traditional
fermented soy foods include tempeh, miso, soy sauces, natto and
fermented tofu and soymilk products. In Asia, the
traditional fermented soy foods are considered to have more
health promoting benefits when consumed in moderate amounts than
the super-processed soy products that are consumed in the West.
http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/soy.htm

It's probably NOT a good idea to give soy in large amounts to little kids
because the high quantity of phytoestrogens (those isoflavones marketers
use to peddle their goods) can delay or prevent sexual maturity.

Rat pups, exposed to high doses of the plant estrogen coumestrol
(found in sunflower seeds and oil and alfalfa sprouts) through
their mother's milk, suffered permanent reproductive problems:
female pups when grown did not ovulate, and males had altered
mounting behavior and fewer ejaculations (2).
[Whitten, P., C. Lewis and F. Naftolin. 1993. A Phytoestrogen
diet induces the premature anovulatory syndrome in lactationally
exposed female rats. Biology of Reproduction 49:1117-21.]

Neonatal and immature rats exposed to coumestrol experienced
estrogen-related responses, such as premature estrous cycles.
Coumestrol also interrupted ovarian cycles in adult female rats
(3).
[Barrett, J. 1996. Phytoestrogens: Friends or Foes?
Environmental Health Perspectives 104:478-82.]

Newborn rats exposed to the phytoestrogen genistein (a compound
found in soy products), experienced altered hormone secretions
and the onset of puberty may have been delayed because female
rats were exposed to the compound as fetuses (3).
[Ibid.]

“In males, levels of 17B-estradiol and testosterone were not
affected, but levels of 3a, 17B- androstanediol glucuronide (a
metabolite of dihydrotestosterone) and dehydroepiandrosterone
sulfate were decreased by 13% and 14%, respectively, after 2-4
weeks of daily soya ingestion.”
[Supported by USPHS CA56273, CA65628, CA45181, John Sealy
Memorial Endowment Fund for Biomedical Research, American
Institute for Cancer Research grant 95B119, and NIH NCRR GCRC
grant M01 RR00073]

All above lifted from:
http://www.cheapbodybuildingsupplements.com/articles/soyestrogen.shtml

Additionally, see:
http://www.t-mag.com/articles/185soy.html
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/satter6.htm

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>Chuck wrote:
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>>IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large

part

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>>of their diet and for so many years?
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>Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the same
>quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet tends

to

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>have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari or miso,

as

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>a flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians also eat it
>fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners are consuming

it

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>unfermented and in very large quantities.
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I have 6 adopted children, all oriental,

I'm curious (and more than a bit doubtful). Why do you call them
"oriental" as opposed to Chinese, Japanese, or the more accepted

"Asian"?

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First they are from different countries including Vietnam, China and Japan
so how could I call them all from one country? Second, I call them what
they call themselves. Although one calls himself a "[censored]." and the others
"Slopes" or "slit eyes" but you or I should not. But they are free to

call

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themselves whatever they want. Just like they eat what they want.

Besides

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they are all adults now and are living their own lives. You are right in
one respect, they should be called "Asians" or now, Americans, as they

are

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citizens.

Chuck

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they all were raised on soy milk, tofu(fried) miso and various sauces,
both there and here. They also eat rice daily and except for seafoods,
very little of the meats group.

Yeah, right. Is that because *you* don't allow your adopted "oriental"
children to eat meat or because they consciously choose to avoid it even
though it's widely available "both there and here" and accepted in their
culture "both there and here"?

As I said they eat what they prerfer.

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Orientals

*Asians*, you hillbilly

OK, Asians, you [censored]

.

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eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in particular is
used would be an error.

Note what I actually wrote: TEND to use fermented soy and consume
unfermented soy products SPARINGLY. I never said SPARINGLY

http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/9/truth_about_soy.htm
http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_update2001.html

And note the following, hillbilly:
Typically soy foods are divided into two categories:
non-fermented and fermented soy products. Traditional
nonfermented soy foods include fresh green soybeans, whole dry
soybeans, soy nuts, soy sprouts, whole-fat soy flour, soymilk
and soymilk products, tofu, okara and yuba. Traditional
fermented soy foods include tempeh, miso, soy sauces, natto and
fermented tofu and soymilk products. In Asia, the
traditional fermented soy foods are considered to have more
health promoting benefits when consumed in moderate amounts than
the super-processed soy products that are consumed in the West.
http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/soy.htm

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We also ship large quantities of "our" soy to the orient. Are they

just

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feeding it to cows?

That and they're brewing soy sauce and making other soy derivatives for
export.

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I don't think so.

WTF do you know? Do your six children know you call them "orientals"?

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When a limited diet is considered I think they are very resourceful

Their diet isn't limited, and they're not eating much soy.
http://www.medjournal.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-970
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/760787.stm
http://english.people.com.cn/200410/13/eng20041013_160102.html

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Chuck said:

IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large part
of their diet and for so many years?

Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the same
quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet tends to
have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari or miso, as
a flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians also eat it
fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners are consuming it
unfermented and in very large quantities.

I have 6 adopted children, all oriental, they all were raised on soy milk,
tofu(fried) miso and various sauces, both there and here.

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Are you terminally ignorant, or just pretend to be? I guess you cannot
read for comprehension, eh? The soy in the traditional asian diet is *not*
the soy you get here. Traditional asian diet did not feed soy milk to
children

They also eat

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rice daily and except for seafoods, very little of the meats group.
Orientals eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in
particular is used would be an error.

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And the traditional asian diet did not include what we produce as soy
products here...

We also ship large quantities of

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"our" soy to the orient. Are they just feeding it to cows? I don't think
so. When a limited diet is considered I think they are very resourceful

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Probably, but you're still ignorant....

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Chuck.

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But you did have to respond even though you didn't hardly notice the retort.
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Actually I said they could call themselves whatever they wanted, as can I.
However, they frown on intellectual [censored] making up names for no valid

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real reason. You're wasting your time giving me your worthless
interpretations.

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>>>Chuck wrote:
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>>>>IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large

part

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>>>>of their diet and for so many years?
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>>>Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the
>>>same
>>>quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet

tends

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to

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>>>have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari or

miso,

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as

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>>>a flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians also eat

it

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>>>fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners are

consuming

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it

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>>>unfermented and in very large quantities.
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>> I have 6 adopted children, all oriental,
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> I'm curious (and more than a bit doubtful). Why do you call them
> "oriental" as opposed to Chinese, Japanese, or the more accepted

"Asian"?

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>
First they are from different countries including Vietnam, China and
Japan
so how could I call them all from one country? Second, I call them

what

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they call themselves. Although one calls himself a "[censored]." and the
others
"Slopes" or "slit eyes" but you or I should not. But they are free to

call

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themselves whatever they want. Just like they eat what they want.

Besides

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they are all adults now and are living their own lives. You are right

in

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one respect, they should be called "Asians" or now, Americans, as they

are

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citizens.

Chuck

>> they all were raised on soy milk, tofu(fried) miso and various

sauces,

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>> both there and here. They also eat rice daily and except for
>> seafoods,
>> very little of the meats group.
>
> Yeah, right. Is that because *you* don't allow your adopted

"oriental"

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> children to eat meat or because they consciously choose to avoid it
> even
> though it's widely available "both there and here" and accepted in
> their
> culture "both there and here"?
>
As I said they eat what they prerfer.

>> Orientals
>
> *Asians*, you hillbilly

OK, Asians, you [censored]

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>
>> eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in particular
>> is
>> used would be an error.
>
> Note what I actually wrote: TEND to use fermented soy and consume
> unfermented soy products SPARINGLY. I never said SPARINGLY
>
> http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/9/truth_about_soy.htm
> http://www.westonaprice.org/soy/soy_update2001.html
>
> And note the following, hillbilly:
> Typically soy foods are divided into two categories:
> non-fermented and fermented soy products. Traditional
> nonfermented soy foods include fresh green soybeans, whole dry
> soybeans, soy nuts, soy sprouts, whole-fat soy flour, soymilk
> and soymilk products, tofu, okara and yuba. Traditional
> fermented soy foods include tempeh, miso, soy sauces, natto and
> fermented tofu and soymilk products. In Asia, the
> traditional fermented soy foods are considered to have more
> health promoting benefits when consumed in moderate amounts than
> the super-processed soy products that are consumed in the West.
> http://www.wellbeingjournal.com/soy.htm
>
>> We also ship large quantities of "our" soy to the orient. Are they

just

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>> feeding it to cows?
>
> That and they're brewing soy sauce and making other soy derivatives

for

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> export.
>
>> I don't think so.
>
> WTF do you know? Do your six children know you call them "orientals"?
>
>> When a limited diet is considered I think they are very resourceful
>
> Their diet isn't limited, and they're not eating much soy.
> http://www.medjournal.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-970
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/760787.stm
> http://english.people.com.cn/200410/13/eng20041013_160102.html

I gather that I'm ignorant but then what are you? Obviously not an Asian,
or Oriental. A renowned chef Maybe.

Chuck

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Chuck wrote:
> IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large part
> of their diet and for so many years?

Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the same
quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet tends to
have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari or miso, as
a flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians also eat it
fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners are consuming it
unfermented and in very large quantities.

I have 6 adopted children, all oriental, they all were raised on soy
milk, tofu(fried) miso and various sauces, both there and here.

=================
Are you terminally ignorant, or just pretend to be? I guess you cannot
read for comprehension, eh? The soy in the traditional asian diet is
*not* the soy you get here. Traditional asian diet did not feed soy milk
to children

They also eat

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rice daily and except for seafoods, very little of the meats group.
Orientals eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in
particular is used would be an error.

==================
And the traditional asian diet did not include what we produce as soy
products here...

We also ship large quantities of

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"our" soy to the orient. Are they just feeding it to cows? I don't
think so. When a limited diet is considered I think they are very
resourceful

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Probably, but you're still ignorant....

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Chuck.

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I gather that I'm ignorant but then what are you? Obviously not an Asian,
or Oriental. A renowned chef Maybe.

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Note of continued dodge. Guess you've realized how stupid your statements
have been and have now been reduced to blathering....

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> Chuck wrote:
>> IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large
>> part of their diet and for so many years?
>
> Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the same
> quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet tends
> to have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari or
> miso, as a flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians also
> eat it fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners are
> consuming it unfermented and in very large quantities.
>
I have 6 adopted children, all oriental, they all were raised on soy
milk, tofu(fried) miso and various sauces, both there and here.

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Are you terminally ignorant, or just pretend to be? I guess you cannot
read for comprehension, eh? The soy in the traditional asian diet is
*not* the soy you get here. Traditional asian diet did not feed soy milk
to children

They also eat

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rice daily and except for seafoods, very little of the meats group.
Orientals eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in
particular is used would be an error.

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And the traditional asian diet did not include what we produce as soy
products here...

We also ship large quantities of

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"our" soy to the orient. Are they just feeding it to cows? I don't
think so. When a limited diet is considered I think they are very
resourceful

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Probably, but you're still ignorant....

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Chuck.

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I gather that I'm ignorant but then what are you? Obviously not an Asian,
or Oriental. A renowned chef Maybe.

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Note of continued dodge. Guess you've realized how stupid your
statements have been and have now been reduced to blathering....

I'm learning from you!

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Chuck

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> "usual suspect" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> Chuck wrote:
>>> IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large
>>> part of their diet and for so many years?
>>
>> Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the
>> same quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet
>> tends to have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari
>> or miso, as a flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians
>> also eat it fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners
>> are consuming it unfermented and in very large quantities.
>>
> I have 6 adopted children, all oriental, they all were raised on soy
> milk, tofu(fried) miso and various sauces, both there and here.
=================
Are you terminally ignorant, or just pretend to be? I guess you cannot
read for comprehension, eh? The soy in the traditional asian diet is
*not* the soy you get here. Traditional asian diet did not feed soy
milk to children

They also eat
> rice daily and except for seafoods, very little of the meats group.
> Orientals eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in
> particular is used would be an error.
==================
And the traditional asian diet did not include what we produce as soy
products here...

We also ship large quantities of
> "our" soy to the orient. Are they just feeding it to cows? I don't
> think so. When a limited diet is considered I think they are very
> resourceful
=====================
Probably, but you're still ignorant....

>
> Chuck.
>
>
>> <...>
>
>

In article said:

IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large part of
their diet and for so many years?

Lack of options ?
How many years ?
Maybe they tink it tastes good ?

Bruce

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"Chuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"rick etter" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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"Chuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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I gather that I'm ignorant but then what are you? Obviously not an
Asian, or Oriental. A renowned chef Maybe.

======================
Note of continued dodge. Guess you've realized how stupid your
statements have been and have now been reduced to blathering....

I'm learning from you!

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Good.

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Chuck

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> "Chuck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> "usual suspect" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>>> Chuck wrote:
>>>> IF Soy wasn't safe why do the Orientals retain it for such a large
>>>> part of their diet and for so many years?
>>>
>>> Stop top-posting. Asians don't eat soy in the same forms or in the
>>> same quantities as people in the West are eating now. The Asian diet
>>> tends to have some form of fermented soy, such as soy sauce or tamari
>>> or miso, as a flavoring. Unfermented products like plain tofu (Asians
>>> also eat it fermented) are eaten sparingly. By contrast, Westerners
>>> are consuming it unfermented and in very large quantities.
>>>
>> I have 6 adopted children, all oriental, they all were raised on soy
>> milk, tofu(fried) miso and various sauces, both there and here.
> =================
> Are you terminally ignorant, or just pretend to be? I guess you
> cannot read for comprehension, eh? The soy in the traditional asian
> diet is *not* the soy you get here. Traditional asian diet did not
> feed soy milk to children
>
>
> They also eat
>> rice daily and except for seafoods, very little of the meats group.
>> Orientals eat several different kinds of soy and to say that one in
>> particular is used would be an error.
> ==================
> And the traditional asian diet did not include what we produce as soy
> products here...
>
> We also ship large quantities of
>> "our" soy to the orient. Are they just feeding it to cows? I don't
>> think so. When a limited diet is considered I think they are very
>> resourceful
> =====================
> Probably, but you're still ignorant....
>
>>
>> Chuck.
>>
>>
>>> <...>
>>
>>
>
>