Walk or ride?

Bill Baka wrote:

:: Impact factors (for me).
:: Walk = 3 MPH, no impact.
:: Fast walk = 5 MPH, little impact.

Interesting. Walk this fast would ruin my feet.

:: Slow jog = 8 MPH, high impact.
:: Fast jog = 12 MPH, highest impact.
:: Slow run = 13 MPH, lower impact, using balls of feet.
:: Fast run = 15 MPH, still lower impact.

:: Sprint = 17-18 MPH, what impact, barely touching ground, but not
:: sustainable.

I personally find that hard to believe. There may be preception issue at
play, but I admit to not knowing anything about it. I've often wondered how
I'd do at running, but since i used to have serious problems with me feet
(back when I weighed 367 lbs), I don't want to risk injury even though I'm
curious.

:: Biking all low impact.
:: Slow biking = 13-15 MPH.
:: Medium biking = 17-18 MPH.
:: Fast biking = 20-21 MPH.
:: Slow spring biking = 24-26 MPH.
:: Fast sprint biking = 30-32 MPH ???.
::
:: OK, it's a boring day again so I am trolling a little bit, but that
:: is where I have been when not doing Christmas type stuff.
:: Bill Baka

Idle chit chat ain't trolling. I thought it was an interesting post. I've
been doing other forms of working out too, for similar reasons.

Quoted message said:

Idle chit chat ain't trolling.

Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Idle chit chat ain't trolling.

Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.

Bill has a small "reality problem". The real question is whether he
believes himself (I'm guessing, apparently!)...

Bill Baka and his sub-4-minute mile runs...

--
BS (no, really)

Looks like world championship duatholon efforts with no impact.
And then a nice lunch I imagine.

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:12:53 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bill Baka wrote:

:: Impact factors (for me).
:: Walk = 3 MPH, no impact.
:: Fast walk = 5 MPH, little impact.

Interesting. Walk this fast would ruin my feet.

Well, I didn't do that for a mile so it was only a guess,
but I do cover about 3 miles in an hour of average walking.

Quoted message said:

:: Slow jog = 8 MPH, high impact.
:: Fast jog = 12 MPH, highest impact.
:: Slow run = 13 MPH, lower impact, using balls of feet.
:: Fast run = 15 MPH, still lower impact.

:: Sprint = 17-18 MPH, what impact, barely touching ground, but not
:: sustainable.

I personally find that hard to believe. There may be preception issue at
play, but I admit to not knowing anything about it.

Again, there is the perception issue, but the 17-18 was verified by the
police LIDAR unit installed at the speed trap. 17-18 is flat out for me,
being 5'7" and shorter legs. The speed trap LIDAR uses laser light, or so
I am told, so it will pick up a person as well as a car.
I tried this once before at the H.P. facility I was working at in 1994
down in Santa Clara and got 17 on that one. H.P. was timing parking lot
speeds and had the threshold set at 10 MPH, and the one I found for the
speed trap was at 15 MPH, but I don't know exactly how accurate they are.
What has me curious is that the fast run is not that much slower than my
all out speed, and that is judged by the wind on my face, self generated,
and that feels about like 15 MPH on the bike. The challenge seemed to be
going from a fast jog to a run just getting the inertia of the body
moving, kind of like starting out in a high gear on the bike. I haven't
really tried serious running since I was in my 20s so it was kind of like
exploring new territory again. My main problem is that with any shoes I
have the limit is 5 miles before I start to get blisters. That is where I
would transition to the bike if I decide to go with this in the summer.

I've often wondered

Quoted message said:

how
I'd do at running, but since i used to have serious problems with me feet
(back when I weighed 367 lbs), I don't want to risk injury even though
I'm
curious.

I was up to 200 pounds before I started this biking thing and I am now at
155 for a while until I can figure out where I want to be. I was down to
143 but my wife, daughter, step daughter, and her kids (my inherited
grandchildren) all were telling me I was too skinny. I think that was the
bicycle effect where all my muscle weight went down to my legs, since I
can't do as many push ups as I used to, even though I now weigh less.
Sounds like a reason to cross train to me, since I also can't lift weights
as well. The only worry I have is tripping over some road debris or
stepping into a hole and pulling a muscle. Road rash I can handle, pulled
muscles I hate.

Quoted message said:

:: Biking all low impact.
:: Slow biking = 13-15 MPH.
:: Medium biking = 17-18 MPH.
:: Fast biking = 20-21 MPH.
:: Slow spring biking = 24-26 MPH.
:: Fast sprint biking = 30-32 MPH ???.
::
:: OK, it's a boring day again so I am trolling a little bit, but that
:: is where I have been when not doing Christmas type stuff.
:: Bill Baka

Idle chit chat ain't trolling. I thought it was an interesting post.
I've
been doing other forms of working out too, for similar reasons.

Here is a non troll addition to this post. Does anyone know about hand
bikes for healthy people to use for an upper body workout to supplement
the regular biking? I am thinking this might be a way to maintain
motivation since I would be going somewhere and not just looking at a gym
or weights or whatever. Do those things cost a bunch or are they
affordable? I used to do a lot of rowing when I had a lake for a back yard
in Illinois and built up fairly fast but lakes are non-existant in
California, at least as far as having one near a house. I had a big and
heavy boat that was meant for a motor so rowing was work and an hour a day
of that after my job was my routine. If I didn't work off my 8 hours of
putting up with a jerk of a company owner I may have just sqeezed his neck
for fun (He was, owner, president by his own decree, and [censored]). That
guy is also the reason I moved back to California. Anyway, hand bikes???

Bill (Curious) Baka

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Idle chit chat ain't trolling.

Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.

Those were just guess numbers. Any of you guys run that much?
I was a long distance champ in grade school, lousy sprinter,
but I could run all day. I used to do it until I was 29,
waiting for my baseball team to all arrive on Sundays, for
out beer and ball game. No troll, I really did spend a few days
off the bike running.

--
Bill (?) Baka

Your main problem is not "with your shoes"

B i l l S o r n s o n said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Idle chit chat ain't trolling.

Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.

Bill has a small "reality problem". The real question is whether he
believes himself (I'm guessing, apparently!)...

Bill Baka and his sub-4-minute mile runs...

Hey, those are guesses, but anyone with a speedometer is welcome to ride
alongside me and verify me guesses. A 4 minute mile would require
maintaining 15 MPH for a whole mile and that I can't do. That is about
what (I estimate) my fast run speed is for about 200 feet or so. It does
get wind in my face at that speed about the same as riding at 15 MPH. I
started out pacing my self by the spacing lines drawn in the sidewalk I
was on and kept extending my stride until I was landing in the middle of
each block of concrete on each stride/step. If you want to measure me,
fine, then do it. Given my method of run fast then walk a bit and run
again I might make a sub 6 minute mile overall, maybe 5 if I kept it up,
but no illusions of a 4 minute mile.
That would make me impress myself, even. I just found running to be a hell
of a lot easier than I thought it would be at my age, also a lot more
invigorating, and maybe a good warmup for a ride.

--
Bill (No [censored]!) Baka

gds said:

Looks like world championship duatholon efforts with no impact.
And then a nice lunch I imagine.

Best guesses, no way to time it all except the top speed per LIDAR.
The speed trap wouldn't measure me below 15 MPH and the cops looked
like they were gonna get out of the donut-mobile and ask me to leave,
or worse, stay with them in the car.

--
Bill (?) Baka

gds said:

Your main problem is not "with your shoes"

I know that 15 MPH would be a 4 minute mile but I can't hold it for more
than maybe 200 feet, much less a mile. That is just my perception since it
is below the speed at which I could trigger the LIDAR the police put out
there, and that doesn't even have decimal places or resolution. Maybe 14
MPH for my fast run??

--
Bill (?) Baka

Bill Baka wrote:
:: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:12:53 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Bill Baka wrote:
:::
::::: Impact factors (for me).
::::: Walk = 3 MPH, no impact.
::::: Fast walk = 5 MPH, little impact.
:::
::: Interesting. Walk this fast would ruin my feet.
::
:: Well, I didn't do that for a mile so it was only a guess,
:: but I do cover about 3 miles in an hour of average walking.
:::
::::: Slow jog = 8 MPH, high impact.
::::: Fast jog = 12 MPH, highest impact.
::::: Slow run = 13 MPH, lower impact, using balls of feet.
::::: Fast run = 15 MPH, still lower impact.
:::
::::: Sprint = 17-18 MPH, what impact, barely touching ground, but not
::::: sustainable.
:::
::: I personally find that hard to believe. There may be preception
::: issue at play, but I admit to not knowing anything about it.
::
:: Again, there is the perception issue, but the 17-18 was verified by
:: the police LIDAR unit installed at the speed trap. 17-18 is flat out
:: for me, being 5'7" and shorter legs.

Sorry....I should have been more clear....I was referring to the "barely
touching ground" part, not the speed. I realized you were just guessing.

The speed trap LIDAR uses laser
:: light, or so I am told, so it will pick up a person as well as a car.
:: I tried this once before at the H.P. facility I was working at in
:: 1994 down in Santa Clara and got 17 on that one. H.P. was timing
:: parking lot speeds and had the threshold set at 10 MPH, and the one
:: I found for the speed trap was at 15 MPH, but I don't know exactly
:: how accurate they are. What has me curious is that the fast run is
:: not that much slower than my all out speed, and that is judged by
:: the wind on my face, self generated, and that feels about like 15
:: MPH on the bike. The challenge seemed to be going from a fast jog to
:: a run just getting the inertia of the body moving, kind of like
:: starting out in a high gear on the bike. I haven't really tried
:: serious running since I was in my 20s so it was kind of like
:: exploring new territory again. My main problem is that with any
:: shoes I have the limit is 5 miles before I start to get blisters.
:: That is where I would transition to the bike if I decide to go with
:: this in the summer.

Sorry!

::
:: I've often wondered
::: how
::: I'd do at running, but since i used to have serious problems with
::: me feet (back when I weighed 367 lbs), I don't want to risk injury
::: even though I'm
::: curious.
::
:: I was up to 200 pounds before I started this biking thing and I am
:: now at 155 for a while until I can figure out where I want to be. I
:: was down to 143 but my wife, daughter, step daughter, and her kids
:: (my inherited grandchildren) all were telling me I was too skinny.

Well, I'd be skinny looking at 200 lbs. I think I'd be dead at 143.

I
:: think that was the bicycle effect where all my muscle weight went
:: down to my legs, since I can't do as many push ups as I used to,
:: even though I now weigh less. Sounds like a reason to cross train to
:: me, since I also can't lift weights as well. The only worry I have
:: is tripping over some road debris or stepping into a hole and
:: pulling a muscle. Road rash I can handle, pulled muscles I hate.
:::
::::: Biking all low impact.
::::: Slow biking = 13-15 MPH.
::::: Medium biking = 17-18 MPH.
::::: Fast biking = 20-21 MPH.
::::: Slow spring biking = 24-26 MPH.
::::: Fast sprint biking = 30-32 MPH ???.
:::::
::::: OK, it's a boring day again so I am trolling a little bit, but
::::: that is where I have been when not doing Christmas type stuff.
::::: Bill Baka
:::
::: Idle chit chat ain't trolling. I thought it was an interesting post.
::: I've
::: been doing other forms of working out too, for similar reasons.
:::
:::
:: Here is a non troll addition to this post. Does anyone know about
:: hand bikes for healthy people to use for an upper body workout to
:: supplement the regular biking? I am thinking this might be a way to
:: maintain motivation since I would be going somewhere and not just
:: looking at a gym or weights or whatever. Do those things cost a
:: bunch or are they affordable? I used to do a lot of rowing when I
:: had a lake for a back yard in Illinois and built up fairly fast but
:: lakes are non-existant in California, at least as far as having one
:: near a house. I had a big and heavy boat that was meant for a motor
:: so rowing was work and an hour a day of that after my job was my
:: routine. If I didn't work off my 8 hours of putting up with a jerk
:: of a company owner I may have just sqeezed his neck for fun (He was,
:: owner, president by his own decree, and [censored]). That guy is also
:: the reason I moved back to California. Anyway, hand bikes???
::

Take up canoeing 🙂

I think lifting weights is effective and doesn't have to take a lot of time
if you pick your movements well.

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 14:15:09 -0500, Roger Zoul <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Bill Baka wrote:
:: On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 09:12:53 -0500, Roger Zoul
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Bill Baka wrote:
:::
::::: Impact factors (for me).
::::: Walk = 3 MPH, no impact.
::::: Fast walk = 5 MPH, little impact.
:::
::: Interesting. Walk this fast would ruin my feet.
::
:: Well, I didn't do that for a mile so it was only a guess,
:: but I do cover about 3 miles in an hour of average walking.
:::
::::: Slow jog = 8 MPH, high impact.
::::: Fast jog = 12 MPH, highest impact.
::::: Slow run = 13 MPH, lower impact, using balls of feet.
::::: Fast run = 15 MPH, still lower impact.
:::
::::: Sprint = 17-18 MPH, what impact, barely touching ground, but not
::::: sustainable.
:::
::: I personally find that hard to believe. There may be preception
::: issue at play, but I admit to not knowing anything about it.
::
:: Again, there is the perception issue, but the 17-18 was verified by
:: the police LIDAR unit installed at the speed trap. 17-18 is flat out
:: for me, being 5'7" and shorter legs.

Sorry....I should have been more clear....I was referring to the "barely
touching ground" part, not the speed. I realized you were just guessing.

I think that at that point you are in contact with the ground for less
percentage
of time and there are more forces on your feet than you might guess.
But again, I am guessing. 2G for 50%, 0G for 50%, maybe like that?

Quoted message said:

The speed trap LIDAR uses laser
:: light, or so I am told, so it will pick up a person as well as a car.
:: I tried this once before at the H.P. facility I was working at in
:: 1994 down in Santa Clara and got 17 on that one. H.P. was timing
:: parking lot speeds and had the threshold set at 10 MPH, and the one
:: I found for the speed trap was at 15 MPH, but I don't know exactly
:: how accurate they are. What has me curious is that the fast run is
:: not that much slower than my all out speed, and that is judged by
:: the wind on my face, self generated, and that feels about like 15
:: MPH on the bike. The challenge seemed to be going from a fast jog to
:: a run just getting the inertia of the body moving, kind of like
:: starting out in a high gear on the bike. I haven't really tried
:: serious running since I was in my 20s so it was kind of like
:: exploring new territory again. My main problem is that with any
:: shoes I have the limit is 5 miles before I start to get blisters.
:: That is where I would transition to the bike if I decide to go with
:: this in the summer.

Sorry!

Not a problem, I just don't want to invest in runners' shoes and be
a combo Fred/Dork. At my age it seems you have to sort of at least
try to look/act the part, even though the kids and their parents
aren't prepared for a bouncy, hyperactive 56 year old. When I was
really juiced on Monday I agreed to take some of the kids to the
store as official adult guardian of the flock and even the kids
were asking if I was on something. Adrenalin, fun, it didn't hurt
so I was even running backwards faster than the kids. I did trip
once while doing that and the know on the head was pretty big,
but hey, I lived. I am an optimist on exercise.

Quoted message said:

::
:: I've often wondered
::: how
::: I'd do at running, but since i used to have serious problems with
::: me feet (back when I weighed 367 lbs), I don't want to risk injury
::: even though I'm
::: curious.
::
:: I was up to 200 pounds before I started this biking thing and I am
:: now at 155 for a while until I can figure out where I want to be. I
:: was down to 143 but my wife, daughter, step daughter, and her kids
:: (my inherited grandchildren) all were telling me I was too skinny.

Well, I'd be skinny looking at 200 lbs. I think I'd be dead at 143.

Jaw dropping thin, at least, or maybe the male twiggy look, remember her?

Quoted message said:

I
:: think that was the bicycle effect where all my muscle weight went
:: down to my legs, since I can't do as many push ups as I used to,
:: even though I now weigh less. Sounds like a reason to cross train to
:: me, since I also can't lift weights as well. The only worry I have
:: is tripping over some road debris or stepping into a hole and
:: pulling a muscle. Road rash I can handle, pulled muscles I hate.
:::
::::: Biking all low impact.
::::: Slow biking = 13-15 MPH.
::::: Medium biking = 17-18 MPH.
::::: Fast biking = 20-21 MPH.
::::: Slow spring biking = 24-26 MPH.
::::: Fast sprint biking = 30-32 MPH ???.
:::::
::::: OK, it's a boring day again so I am trolling a little bit, but
::::: that is where I have been when not doing Christmas type stuff.
::::: Bill Baka
:::
::: Idle chit chat ain't trolling. I thought it was an interesting post.
::: I've
::: been doing other forms of working out too, for similar reasons.
:::
:::
:: Here is a non troll addition to this post. Does anyone know about
:: hand bikes for healthy people to use for an upper body workout to
:: supplement the regular biking? I am thinking this might be a way to
:: maintain motivation since I would be going somewhere and not just
:: looking at a gym or weights or whatever. Do those things cost a
:: bunch or are they affordable? I used to do a lot of rowing when I
:: had a lake for a back yard in Illinois and built up fairly fast but
:: lakes are non-existant in California, at least as far as having one
:: near a house. I had a big and heavy boat that was meant for a motor
:: so rowing was work and an hour a day of that after my job was my
:: routine. If I didn't work off my 8 hours of putting up with a jerk
:: of a company owner I may have just sqeezed his neck for fun (He was,
:: owner, president by his own decree, and [censored]). That guy is also
:: the reason I moved back to California. Anyway, hand bikes???
::

Take up canoeing 🙂

If only I had water nearby. I do try to keep the cars in the driveway
as much as possible. Then there is the guilt I would feel for driving
to water when I could be riding.

Quoted message said:

I think lifting weights is effective and doesn't have to take a lot of
time
if you pick your movements well.

I do, but my wife then thinks I am showing off for all the women in
the neighborhood. I would have to do something subtle and maintainable,
like maybe a hand powered bike. I asked about that in another post, but
no bites yet. It does sound like a good upper body workout, but I need
to know more.

--
Bill (????) Baka

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Idle chit chat ain't trolling.

Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.

No kidding...

His "Slow Jog" is at a 7:30 pace (minutes/mile).

His "Fast Jog" is at a 5:00 pace.

His "Slow Run" is at a 4:36 pace.

And his "Fast Run" is a flat 4:00 pace.

He probably will also claim that he did all that wearing hiking boots and
jeans (he has a well-documented fear of lycra).

GG

GaryG said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Idle chit chat ain't trolling.

Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.

No kidding...

His "Slow Jog" is at a 7:30 pace (minutes/mile).

His "Fast Jog" is at a 5:00 pace.

His "Slow Run" is at a 4:36 pace.

And his "Fast Run" is a flat 4:00 pace.

He probably will also claim that he did all that wearing hiking boots and
jeans (he has a well-documented fear of lycra).

GG

Since you asked, yes, it was in jeans, and with an old pair of shoes,
no name sneakers. I had intended to walk to Wal-mart, about 1 mile,
but got diverted when I started to run and liked it, so no lycra.
My "Fast run" is about what those guys keep up for
a mile, where I can do it for only a 100 feet or so at best. My
"Slow run" is a guess of speed since there was less wind in my face
at that point, and my fast jog was down to only a breeze in my face,
at best. My feet don't have a speedometer and there was nobody to
pace me with a bike, not that it would be accurate anyway, since
I only ran each speed a short distance. Come run with me and get
embarrassed by a hyperactive 56 year old.
C'mon, it'll be fun, for me, at least.
If you read the whole post you would see that I was only doing those
for a few tens of seconds at a time. If I could hold up the 15 MPH,
yer damn right I'd be in a pro race, but I can't. I walk or run, period.
I just happen to like running at my high speed better than jogging,
which I hate. I never could tolerate joggers. I you are going to run,
then run damnit, don't jump up and down in a forward motion and then
[censored] about your 'runners injuries'.
Simple enough for you?
I hope so.

--
Bill (?) Baka

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:09:14 -0800, GaryG <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

> Idle chit chat ain't trolling.
Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.

No kidding...

His "Slow Jog" is at a 7:30 pace (minutes/mile).

His "Fast Jog" is at a 5:00 pace.

His "Slow Run" is at a 4:36 pace.

And his "Fast Run" is a flat 4:00 pace.

He probably will also claim that he did all that wearing hiking boots

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

jeans (he has a well-documented fear of lycra).

GG

Since you asked, yes, it was in jeans, and with an old pair of shoes,
no name sneakers. I had intended to walk to Wal-mart, about 1 mile,
but got diverted when I started to run and liked it, so no lycra.
My "Fast run" is about what those guys keep up for
a mile, where I can do it for only a 100 feet or so at best. My
"Slow run" is a guess of speed since there was less wind in my face
at that point, and my fast jog was down to only a breeze in my face,
at best. My feet don't have a speedometer and there was nobody to
pace me with a bike, not that it would be accurate anyway, since
I only ran each speed a short distance. Come run with me and get
embarrassed by a hyperactive 56 year old.
C'mon, it'll be fun, for me, at least.

I don't like to run, but if you want a race on the bike, bring it on!

You're in Sacramento, right? I hope to be down there sometime next month
for business, so name the course and let's get it on!

GG

Quoted message said:

If you read the whole post you would see that I was only doing those
for a few tens of seconds at a time. If I could hold up the 15 MPH,
yer damn right I'd be in a pro race, but I can't. I walk or run, period.
I just happen to like running at my high speed better than jogging,
which I hate. I never could tolerate joggers. I you are going to run,
then run damnit, don't jump up and down in a forward motion and then
[censored] about your 'runners injuries'.
Simple enough for you?
I hope so.

--
Bill (?) Baka

Bill Baka said:

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:09:14 -0800, GaryG <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

> Idle chit chat ain't trolling.
Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.

No kidding...

His "Slow Jog" is at a 7:30 pace (minutes/mile).

His "Fast Jog" is at a 5:00 pace.

His "Slow Run" is at a 4:36 pace.

And his "Fast Run" is a flat 4:00 pace.

He probably will also claim that he did all that wearing hiking

boots and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

jeans (he has a well-documented fear of lycra).

GG

I believe you Bill(?)Baka, but some people consider me a troll. (among
other things) But I still believe you for whatever it is worth. :-) I
enjoy your posts. They are very well written. If the stories are not
true.....you have a gift for story telling...so either way...YOU WIN!!!
Happiness,
Maggie

GaryG said:

"Bill Baka" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:09:14 -0800, GaryG <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> > Idle chit chat ain't trolling.
> Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.
>

No kidding...

His "Slow Jog" is at a 7:30 pace (minutes/mile).

His "Fast Jog" is at a 5:00 pace.

His "Slow Run" is at a 4:36 pace.

And his "Fast Run" is a flat 4:00 pace.

He probably will also claim that he did all that wearing hiking boots

and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

jeans (he has a well-documented fear of lycra).

GG

Since you asked, yes, it was in jeans, and with an old pair of shoes,
no name sneakers. I had intended to walk to Wal-mart, about 1 mile,
but got diverted when I started to run and liked it, so no lycra.
My "Fast run" is about what those guys keep up for
a mile, where I can do it for only a 100 feet or so at best. My
"Slow run" is a guess of speed since there was less wind in my face
at that point, and my fast jog was down to only a breeze in my face,
at best. My feet don't have a speedometer and there was nobody to
pace me with a bike, not that it would be accurate anyway, since
I only ran each speed a short distance. Come run with me and get
embarrassed by a hyperactive 56 year old.
C'mon, it'll be fun, for me, at least.

I don't like to run, but if you want a race on the bike, bring it on!

You're in Sacramento, right? I hope to be down there sometime next month
for business, so name the course and let's get it on!

GG

This could get interesting now. I am actually more like in the Yuba City
area, about 40 miles north of Sacramento proper. How do you think I
find all the back woods riding? I like it when the only traffic I
have to worry about is the bears, really, I watch the deer, vultures
(I hope they are not watching me), and other wildlife. If I don't
have to work I might be able to take you on the ride around Beale
and show you the waterfall and swimming hole I found. It is about
40 miles paved, 20 or so gravel, 10 dirt, 5 walk and carry bike.
Sort of a century the hard way but not road bike tire friendly.
There are some paved loops I can organize or point to, also.
Weather and work permitting, or course.
Oops. I just admitted I work sometimes.
Lots of money in short bursts or a little at a time, but, yes, I work.
Darned money thing anyway.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you read the whole post you would see that I was only doing those
for a few tens of seconds at a time. If I could hold up the 15 MPH,
yer damn right I'd be in a pro race, but I can't. I walk or run, period.
I just happen to like running at my high speed better than jogging,
which I hate. I never could tolerate joggers. I you are going to run,
then run damnit, don't jump up and down in a forward motion and then
[censored] about your 'runners injuries'.
Simple enough for you?
I hope so.

--
Bill (?) Baka

--
Bill (?) Ba_no_shit_ka

GaryG said:

so name the course and let's get it on!

good lord, man, NO PHOTOS **PLEASE**! no report, in fact.
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

Quoted message said:

Bill Baka said:

On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 12:09:14 -0800, GaryG <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...
> > Idle chit chat ain't trolling.
> Take a look at those jog/run MPH's again. He's trolling.
>

No kidding...

His "Slow Jog" is at a 7:30 pace (minutes/mile).

His "Fast Jog" is at a 5:00 pace.

His "Slow Run" is at a 4:36 pace.

And his "Fast Run" is a flat 4:00 pace.

He probably will also claim that he did all that wearing hiking

boots and

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

jeans (he has a well-documented fear of lycra).

GG

I believe you Bill(?)Baka, but some people consider me a troll. (among
other things) But I still believe you for whatever it is worth. :-) I
enjoy your posts. They are very well written. If the stories are not
true.....you have a gift for story telling...so either way...YOU WIN!!!
Happiness,
Maggie

Maggie,
I think I have been killfiled by a few here either for what they consider
trolling or for not agreeing with their wisdom. I did commit a faux pas a
few
months back when a cyclist got killed riding on a highway I know and I
said he may have had a 'death wish'. Bad wording will get you killed in
here, but I know the road and the section is open to bikes even though it
should not be. It goes freeway >> 65 MPH with bikes allowed >> mountain
highway where bikes would be splatted on windshields.
Of course in a bicycle group I probably should not have mentioned that
I had a 1988 Mustang 5.0 (in 1988-1992)that would do 162.5 MPH.
It was way into the red line on the tach, 6200 RPM, stupid 85 MPH
speedometer,
so I had to do the math and figure the speed by the RPM,
but at least I know I did it. I don't think anybody in this group would
ever want to get into a fast car with me driving, or a motorcycle either.
Hmmmm, speedometer says 160, let's try it. Pegged that bike at 170
indicated. Of course that was way back in 1973 in the high Mojave desert.
That's just the way I am when I have a new toy, test the speedometer.
I used to collect tickets driving but now I would rather bike, and the
running just kind of happened as a fringe benefit. I still think that
my running speeds were about as posted, 15 MPH would be a 4 minute mile,
but I can only run that speed for about 200 feet. Don't ever give these
people an inch or a crack to step on, because they will. The fun for me
is knowing what I did and that they don't believe it. Most sane adults
think us older folks should act our age, which for me, 56, means run,
jump, bike, hike, etc. Others can have their cane and rocker, not me.
Continue to have fun Maggie, as will I,
Bill

--
Bill (?) Ba_no_ka