getting cold yet?

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Was supposed to do 9, cut it off at 4, too damn cold, too much of a
native-Californian weenie.

I think the operative word is weenie.

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i hate the thought of wearing a mask

A mask? Are you moving to Point Barrow, Alaska. I've been to -15f and
never needed a mask and I live north of you where it is colder and more
wind.

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....but damn i could have used one this morning.

Why?

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curious...what do the elites and pros do in winter.

I'm neither and you don't fit the bill either. At most I smear some
Vaseline on my face when it's real cold. Other that that I wear
appropriate clothes. This isn't rocket science!

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do they migrate to warmer
climates to train through winter?...in europe do they all go down to
spain? i
believe most of the american elites live on the west coast anyway.
or do they
go into a winter training thing and take it indoors? do any elites
maintain
their normal schedule of 100+ miles a week all outside in the winter
(those
that dwell in cold climates...anyone know)?

Why are you worrying about the pros? You ain't one and never gonna be
one. Dress right and get you sorry whinny ass out the door.

-DougF

Lanceandrew said:

Was supposed to do 9, cut it off at 4, too damn cold, too much of a
native-Californian weenie. 22F w/12 mph...

20-25F = average nightly winter run conditions.
I consider it tepid to cool. Don't ususally
factor in the wind till it's above 15mph.

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so w/the windchill....it was damn
cold.... 7am NYC. my gordini goretex mitts were great.

Heck, if you're wearing G tex that raises the
inner layer temp 20 degrees right there 😉

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first sub freezing
run of the season. i'm trying to convince myself that this isn't BS! (running
in this type of weather....but who am i fooling, it is). i hate the thought
of wearing a mask....

Consider a polyester balaclava you can pull
up and down over your nose as conditions warrant.

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but damn i could have used one this morning. i've got
the wrong attitude going way too early in the season. at this rate i won't
make it through january.

curious...what do the elites and pros do in winter.

Ski?

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do they migrate to warmer
climates to train through winter?...in europe do they all go down to spain? i
believe most of the american elites live on the west coast anyway. or do they
go into a winter training thing and take it indoors? do any elites maintain
their normal schedule of 100+ miles a week all outside in the winter (those
that dwell in cold climates...anyone know)?

Doug Freese said:

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Was supposed to do 9, cut it off at 4, too damn cold, too much of a
native-Californian weenie.

I think the operative word is weenie.

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i hate the thought of wearing a mask

A mask? Are you moving to Point Barrow, Alaska. I've been to -15f and
never needed a mask and I live north of you where it is colder and more
wind.

Come on doug. He wants sympathy 🙂

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Quoted message said:

....but damn i could have used one this morning.

Why?

Quoted message said:

curious...what do the elites and pros do in winter.

I'm neither and you don't fit the bill either. At most I smear some
Vaseline on my face when it's real cold. Other that that I wear
appropriate clothes. This isn't rocket science!

Quoted message said:

do they migrate to warmer
climates to train through winter?...in europe do they all go down to
spain? i
believe most of the american elites live on the west coast anyway.
or do they
go into a winter training thing and take it indoors? do any elites
maintain
their normal schedule of 100+ miles a week all outside in the winter
(those
that dwell in cold climates...anyone know)?

Why are you worrying about the pros? You ain't one and never gonna be
one. Dress right and get you sorry whinny ass out the door.

-DougF

<< Ski? >>

Now
That's fun.

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....Ski?
Now
That's fun...
Are we there yet?

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Come on doug. He wants sympathy 🙂

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....but damn i could have used one this morning.

Sympathy is between [censored] and syphilis in the dictionary. 🙂

-DougF

"Was supposed to do 9, cut it off
At 4, too damn
Cold, too much of a native-Cali ~
Fornian weenie. I think the opera ~
Tive word is wee ~
Nie. i hate the thought of wearing a
Mask."
~ Lance and Rew

"A mask? Are you
Moving to Point Barrow, Alaska.
I've been to -15f
And never needed a mask and I live
North of you where
It is colder and more wind."
~ Doug

"Come on Doug.
He wants sympathy."
~ Tom Phillips

No, that's A Masque. Ms.
Betty Barrow knows Dr.
Libby, too, as well,
Marie. Eillen & Scott, too.
O my? Have I gotten your parts
All wrong? No matter,
Change scenes, switch parts,
Re ~
Start round
The other way, four square,
Fold back,
There, see? Now, a ~
Gain...['sbourough painting
We are in...

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wow...did i ask a forbidden question about the elites doug? it's very common to
see most outdoor sports professionals migrate to warm places in the winter (so
they can maintain their training). Golf & Tennis professionals for example.
Jockeys & Cyclist, etc.

i was just curious if like other athletic professionals...elite middle & long
distance runners tend to locate to wamer climates to avoid winters in cold
places.

.....between europe, japan, and n. america...there must be elites that dwell in
cold climates. curious in how they cope/manage their profession relative to
the environment. Do they grin and bear it and do their 120 mile weeks in this
sub freezing weather?....go indoors?..or do they generally relocate to warmer
places to train? anyone know generally what most seem to do?

does the answer doug touch on notions of the quality of cold climate outdoor
training that.....perhaps discomfort you? seems i touched a nerve w/you with
the very question....sorry about that.

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Sympathy is between [censored] and syphilis in the dictionary. 🙂

-DougF

Once more Doug's ugly fascination with buttholes and STD's rears it's ugly
head.

cum too the oc
80

"Wow ~ Did I
Ask a forbidden question
About those elites, Doug? Yes, it's
Very common, don't you see ~ most outdoor
Sports professionals
Migrate to warm places in the winter (so
They can maintaintraining).
Golf
& Tennis
Professionals, for example. Jockeys &
Cyclist, etc. "
~ Lance and Rew

So true. A migratory path
Flown merely in
Their search...for what,
Well, yes, just to double-check
I've asked Bert.
~ Moi

"...between europe, japan, and n. america...
There must
Be elites that dwell incold climes."
~ Lance and Rew

Pardonex, but, would you
Happen to have
Any Peppermint Chimes? Or
Better yet,
So you know, have
You seen one Dr.
Pepper?
~ Moi

"Curious, as to how
They cope, how they manage their profession,
Relative
To the environs ~"
~ Lance and Rew

Who? What I meant, I've said
Already, but, sure, I'll say
Again. Dr.
Pepper, I need, I really do.
So, like,
Got that?!
~ Moi

"Do they grin. Or do they bear
It,
And do they do their 120
Mile
Weeks
In this sub-freezing weather?"
~ Lance and Rew

Me? O dunno.
But ~
~ Moi

"...Or go indoors?...Or do they gener ~"
~ Lance and Rew

....Der? Female, just
A grrl. And you?
~ Moi

"...Ally relocate to warmer,
Other places to train?"
~ Lance and Rew

The Armory, I've heard.
~ Moi

"Any one generally know what
Most
Seem to do?"
~ Lance and Rew

Here is a series
Coming off the chase ~ Ambush,
Elephant, ideology, obey
Unborn."
~ Moi

"Does the answer, Doug,
Touch on notions of the quality of cold
Climate, outdoor
Training, etc, all that and more,
Or perhaps, have I discomforted
You?
Seem to do?"
~ Lance and Rew

"Who me?
Not at all. But do you
Hear me? Are you
Speaking to me? Because, alas,
If not, I'll go read
'The Unanswered Question.' Perhaps Mr.
Bernstein knows, perhaps those
Norton Lectures
Told. What's new is often
What's
Old, when said, and all's all
Told. Solid
Gold."
~ Moi

"Seems I touched
A nerve w/you,
With the very same
Question...
Sorry, that."
~ Lance and Rew

"Who, me?"
~Moi

"Gotta go spin."
~ Lance

"Where's Mum?"
~ Rew

The Unborn will never
Know the failed
Ideology
Ambushing those elephants that obey.
Unbron elephants
Will never
Obey, knowing
Any ideology is an ambush. You
Saw one day...
~ Moi

*

“A
Company called ‘Headsweats’
Makes a product similar
To what you’re referring to, both a ‘premade’ bandana
And then the same
Fabric in hats. They work
Pretty well for me;
Other than that, you’ll have to try
Some things to see what
Works.
Good luck!”

What
Are you talking about?

“Figures don’t lie,
And
Britney’s figure’s put together
Like a great
Equation.
~ Bert

So’s Bach, Bert. So, like,
What’s the question?
What’s your
Persuasion? Do you Fox
Trot or
Just talk the talk? I mean, like, what’s
Hot, what’s not?

“I bought a full size Britney
Lighter than air
Blow up doll of Britney.
Its lots of fun,
But my wife put panties on it.
(go figure)
~ Bert

What color?

Are we cold yet?
“Ski?”

Now
That’s fun.

“Why this is, I do not know.
So I’ll give you the same advice
Doug got from his Dr.,
‘Just stop
Touching yourself,
And your problems will end.’”

Use it or loose
It.

....Ones I use are Maxit brand
Poly (Band
It sweat band in summer
And a wider Headband
In winter...both cheap
And can be worn
Under head gear)
http...

Art ~
Tra la la...
Vi ~
At
A!

Now where’s Ms.
Maria Callas, or
For that matter, Mr.
Charles Ludlum & The Theatre
De Re:
[censored] you
L’us?

....When I run
I just attach it to my forehead, and it fits
real snug. All the
sweat just runs
out over the edge, drips
down onto my chest.
Simple
solutions
from simple minds...

Or just say,
Complex times
Require simple rhymes.

....When I run
I just attach it to my forehead, and it fits
real snug. All the
sweat just runs
out over the edge, drips
down onto my chest.
Simple
solutions
from simple minds...

Or just say,
Complex times
Require simple rhymes.

....Ski?
Now
That's fun...
Are we there yet?

"Was supposed to do 9, cut it off
At 4, too damn
Cold, too much of a native-Cali ~
Fornian weenie. I think the opera ~
Tive word is wee ~
Nie. I hate the thought of wearing a
Mask."
~ Lance and Rew

“A mask? Are you
Moving to Point Barrow, Alaska.
I’ve been to -15f
And never needed a mask and I live
North of you where
It is colder and more wind.”
~ Doug

“Come on Doug,
He wants sympathy.”
~ Tom Phillips

No, that’s A Masque. Ms.
Betty Barrow knows Dr.
Libby, too, as well,
Marie. Eileen & Scott, too.
O my? Have I gotten your parts
All wrong? No matter,
Change scenes, switch parts,
Re ~
Start round
The other way, four square,
Fold back,
There, see? Now, a ~
Gain...[‘sbourough painting
We are in...
*

Got milk?

“No,
I never lactated.”
~ Mum

Are you man or woman?

“Man. Maybe
That’s the problem!”
~ Mum

No, not at all ~ Alas,
Yes, not I understand! But still, yes, Ms.
Wolfe’s Orlando, I must ponder, I must
Read, when not
So deftly enslaved, chained
Fast
To my desk...

Now, Mother, dear, pray tell?
What news, what’s
That there
I see? What gift
Do you bring for me?
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"Lanceandrew" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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wow...did i ask a forbidden question about the elites doug? it's very
common to
see most outdoor sports professionals migrate to warm places in the
winter (so
they can maintain their training). Golf & Tennis professionals for
example.
Jockeys & Cyclist, etc.

I was busting on your whining about the cold not where elites go in the
cold. So yes, those that train $$seriously$$ go to more comfortable
climates.

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does the answer doug touch on notions of the quality of cold climate
outdoor
training that.....perhaps discomfort you? seems i touched a nerve
w/you with
the very question....sorry about that.

Nah nonerves, I was having fun. I was only 20F this morning. What are
you going to do when it really gets cold? Maybe Donovan will share his
treadmill with you. 🙂

-DF

Lanceandrew said:

Was supposed to do 9, cut it off at 4, too damn cold, too much of a
native-Californian weenie. 22F w/12 mph...so w/the windchill....it

was damn

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cold.... 7am NYC. my gordini goretex mitts were great.

(My aplogies for using the abysmal groups-beta.google which appears to
foul up the quoted lines, among other irritating little things...)

"The weather is never too cold, but the runner is often inappropriately
dressed."

What you need is:

1) technical/functional underwear (long; with 2b sometimes short).
2a) a middle layer, and
a top layer of jacket and pants/tights, or
2b) a top layer, if it´s "windproof lite".
3) proper tehcnical/functional headgear (not just any easily
discardableable
knit cap)
4) gloves; Goretex is overkill, layers work here too.
5) last but not least, the tops off a pair of woollen socks to make
sure your
ankles and Achilles are protected; see to it that your pants/tights
are long
enough, too.

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(...) i hate the thought of wearing a mask....but damn i could have

used one

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this morning.

A silk "commando mask" or balaclava can be recommended, but I hope you
hadn´t washed or shaved your face before running? A lip balm would be
okay, too, but as Vaseline merely stops your face from feeling the cold
(rather than really protects it aginst the cold) I don´t recommend it
(not that you´re likely to get frostbite during your runs).

OTOH if you have a problem of breathing in the cold (due to
asthma-related reasons), there are specific masks that cover the nose
and the mouth; they do work and could be available in a store selling
XC skiing equipment near you.

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curious...what do the elites and pros do in winter. do they migrate

to warmer

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climates to train through winter?...in europe do they all go down to

spain?

Down to south of Spain and/or down to South Africa (Dullstroom,
Highveld) for shorter or longer periods, depending on how well one is
sponsored, of course.
When at home, there´s the trusty old treadmill, indoor tracks and -
whether you love it or nor - plain outdoor winter running.

Anders

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Come on doug. He wants sympathy 🙂

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> ....but damn i could have used one this morning.

Sympathy is between [censored] and syphilis in the dictionary. 🙂

-DougF

suppose he could also have syphilis.. :^)

Lanceandrew said:

hate the thought
of wearing a mask....but damn i could have used one this morning.

Lance, masks aren't that big of a pain in the ass. It will help you get
through the first 5 minutes. After that, pull it down (or up, depending
on the type) and you'll be fine except for the occasional blast of
headwind, then you put it back on for a minute. I ran at sunrise in
Boston last year on every cold day...many days just below 0F...one
morning at -10F actual temp (-30 with windchill).

Another solution is to use a thin layer of vasiline.

Anyway, one thing that I think helps make running in the cold more
pleasant is to run slower, especially if the mask is on. Some masks
might be better than others, but breathing really hard through any type
of mask sucks.

lanceandrew said:

curious...what do the elites and pros do in winter. do they migrate to
warmer
climates to train through winter?...in europe do they all go down to spain?
i
believe most of the american elites live on the west coast anyway. or do
they
go into a winter training thing and take it indoors? do any elites maintain
their normal schedule of 100+ miles a week all outside in the winter (those
that dwell in cold climates...anyone know)?

Just to make you mad, here's the 5 day forcast for Mission Viejo, CA, where I
do track workouts:

Today
Dec 16 Mostly Sunny / Wind 79°/46° 0 %
Fri
Dec 17 Sunny 75°/41° 0 %
Sat
Dec 18 Sunny 75°/46° 0 %
Sun
Dec 19 Mostly Sunny 74°/42° 10 %
Mon
Dec 20 Partly Cloudy 71°/42° 10 %

Yesterday, it was 84 degrees. I was out there, with blocks, and with one
hurdler from the JC track team. Neither of us had shirts on. I'm going to
have to stop doing sprint workouts at lunch time....it's too damn hot.

Did somebody say something about cold??

BTW, Meb and Deena, and others on the Running USA Team, live in Mammoth Lakes,
CA, at 7000', where they have snow (this is a major ski resort). Deena runs
some 140 mile weeks. Joe Vigil is actually fond of running in cold and bad
conditions.

Lyndon

"Speed Kills...It kills those that don't have it!" --US Olympic Track Coach
Brooks Johnson

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Just to make you mad, here's the 5 day forcast for Mission Viejo, CA,

where I

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do track workouts:

Ya know, I enjoy when the cold weather comes. All the trails and runs empty
out and the animals, particularly the deer, are far more active in winter
than summer because food is more scarce, so you see more of them.. The
summer/warmer weather makes for crowded (at least in my mind) conditions,
but once the cold kicks in I end up seeing the same 3 or 4 people on the
trails, as opposed to the 20 or more I might see during summer. I enjoy
nothing more than a morning run when I don't see another human for the
entire trip (last two days have been like that actually). That's a nice way
to run.

I live in Denver and it never gets too cold here...this morning was 22
degrees and snowy...so it isn't like Minnesota or Michigan mornings. In
January and February it will be a steady 10 to 20 degrees in the early
mornings and that is really good weather to run in. If it is snowy then a
lot more ambient light is reflected and early morning runs are better lit.
Almost everything about winter (except for poor footing once in a while) is
better. The cold only matters for the first mile and a half and then your
pretty warmed up anyway.

I don't wear tights anyway, but I have yet to go too running pants this
winter. The first things that get cold on me are hands and ears so I will be
in gloves and a soft hat once in a while. I won't go to pants until the
temps drop below 10 degrees....and I seem to be the rule rather than the
exception in that regard. the people who do run in the winter here don't
tend to bundle up at all.

Ramone Cila said:

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Just to make you mad, here's the 5 day forcast for Mission Viejo, CA,

where I

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do track workouts:

Ya know, I enjoy when the cold weather comes. All the trails and runs empty
out and the animals, particularly the deer, are far more active in winter
than summer because food is more scarce, so you see more of them.. The
summer/warmer weather makes for crowded (at least in my mind) conditions,
but once the cold kicks in I end up seeing the same 3 or 4 people on the
trails, as opposed to the 20 or more I might see during summer. I enjoy
nothing more than a morning run when I don't see another human for the
entire trip (last two days have been like that actually). That's a nice way
to run.

I live in Denver and it never gets too cold here...

Ah...I partly grew up in Denver and I've seen it
where the temp stayed below zero for a good week at
a time in Dec Jan Feb. One night I camped out in the
backyard when it was -25F. Hey, I thought it was fun
at the time 🙂

Now with all this global warming it may not be getting
as cold recently. But in nearby mountain valleys it's
been well below zero most nights for weeks. Course the
difference between the Rockies and Minnesota isn't the
cold. It's the humidity when it's cold. CO is dry cold;
Minnesota wet cold. My grandmother, who grew up on a
Minnesota farm, used to tell stories about sticking to
the toilet seat when using the outhouse at 40 below...

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this morning was 22
degrees and snowy...so it isn't like Minnesota or Michigan mornings. In
January and February it will be a steady 10 to 20 degrees in the early
mornings and that is really good weather to run in. If it is snowy then a
lot more ambient light is reflected and early morning runs are better lit.
Almost everything about winter (except for poor footing once in a while) is
better. The cold only matters for the first mile and a half and then your
pretty warmed up anyway.

I don't wear tights anyway, but I have yet to go too running pants this
winter. The first things that get cold on me are hands and ears so I will be
in gloves and a soft hat once in a while. I won't go to pants until the
temps drop below 10 degrees....and I seem to be the rule rather than the
exception in that regard. the people who do run in the winter here don't
tend to bundle up at all.

Lyndon said:

Did somebody say something about cold??

not me (41F near midnight). They're forecasting rain again 🙁 We'd had
a week or so of 0 to 20F, that set the snow just perfect, before it
starting warming up again a few days ago. People up here get really
irritated when the weather gets warm in winter.

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BTW, Meb and Deena, and others on the Running USA Team, live in Mammoth Lakes,
CA, at 7000', where they have snow (this is a major ski resort). Deena runs
some 140 mile weeks. Joe Vigil is actually fond of running in cold and bad
conditions.

Many top mtn runners (and I assume trails in general) are also top
snowshoe runners. In fact there's pro tri athletes that do well with
snowshoe running. One of the top US female runners (Doug's neck of the
woods) ranks highly for trails, mountains, and snowshoe.

My sympathies to people that don't have seasons 😉

Dot

--

"Dream Big, and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughn
who's 99th birthday is Dec 19