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  1. Hello,

    I started jogging a year ago. I have worked up from 5 minutes to 30
    minutes and have lost 20 pounds and am down close to normal weight.

    Male Age 40
    6 ft 0 -- 180 pounds.

    I have heard that the guideline is to train at no higher than 80% of
    maximum heart rate -- which for my age would = 144.

    I jog on the treadmill for 30 minutes at speed = 6.0 mph (10 minute
    mile).

    Heart rate after 10 minutes: ~140
    Heart rate after 20 minutes: ~150
    Heart rate after 30 minutes: ~160

    Should I slow the speed down so that my heart rate is lower?
    I am breathing pretty hard at the end, but I almost always finish.

    I am guessing that exerienced runners are running at a lower heart
    rate since I don't see them breathing too hard.

    I want to increase my pleasure, and slowing down would likely do that,
    but at the same time, I do want to get a workoout.

    I feel sort of bad that I am getting tired with just a 10 minute mile
    pace. I have been doing it ~5 times a week for several months and
    would have thought that my fitness would be better by now.

    I am interested in maintaing my weight and increasing my metabolism
    so that I can occasionally eat junk food without gaining weight.

  2. Leafing through rec.running, I read new runner's message of 12 Dec 2004:

    Quoted message said:

    I started jogging a year ago. I have worked up from 5 minutes to 30
    minutes and have lost 20 pounds and am down close to normal weight.

    Male Age 40
    6 ft 0 -- 180 pounds.

    Congratulations! That's impressive. I assume that by "normal weight" you
    mean you are in the normal range based on the standard charts and tables
    (BMI). As you probably know, these charts can be way off, mostly due to
    lean muscle mass differences between individuals. But they certainly are
    a good place to start.

    Quoted message said:

    I have heard that the guideline is to train at no higher than 80% of
    maximum heart rate -- which for my age would = 144.

    80% would be the upper limit unless you're doing some sort of speed work.
    How did you calculate your MHR? It appears that you used the classic 220
    - age formula. All you really know from these formulas is that there's
    about a 95 percent chance that your maximal heart rate is within 20 beats
    per minute of the predicted vaule. It's better to do a performance test
    to determine your actual maximal heart rate.

    Warm up thoroughly and then run 3 high-intensity 600-meter repeats up a
    moderate hill, jogging back down right away after each one. If you run
    these 600s all out, your heart rate should be within two to three beats
    of maximum by the end of the third repeat. YMMV

    If you're not up to doing this test, there are several other formulas you
    can try. Just do a search for "maximum hear rate" or "heart rate
    reserve" on http://groups-beta.google.com. After you read all that, I'm
    sure you'll be completely confused. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I jog on the treadmill for 30 minutes at speed = 6.0 mph (10 minute
    mile).

    Heart rate after 10 minutes: ~140
    Heart rate after 20 minutes: ~150
    Heart rate after 30 minutes: ~160

    Should I slow the speed down so that my heart rate is lower?
    I am breathing pretty hard at the end, but I almost always finish.

    Yes, I would start more slowly. Not knowing your true MHR, it's hard to
    say, but maybe start out in the 130-135 range and don't let it get above
    145. Consider taking walking breaks if your heart rate goes over the
    upper range. Walking breaks are a common practice for beginners to
    lengthen their workout time without stressing the body/heart too much.

    Quoted message said:

    I want to increase my pleasure, and slowing down would likely do that,
    but at the same time, I do want to get a workoout.

    Once you can a grip on your real MHR, you'll realize where your training
    range should be for a long run.

    Quoted message said:

    I feel sort of bad that I am getting tired with just a 10 minute mile
    pace. I have been doing it ~5 times a week for several months and
    would have thought that my fitness would be better by now.

    Are you doing 30 minutes every time you run? Alternating hard and easy
    workouts will allow the body to adapt to the stress you are giving it. I
    suggest a beginner's running program such as one of several at
    http://www.runnersworld.com. Some of these incorporate walking, which may
    be what you need. Maybe even shoot for a local 5K race as a goal to
    improve your running. Also, check out Bob Glover's "The Runner's
    Handbook." There's a lot more to this running stuff than hopping on a
    treadmill for 30 minutes.

    Quoted message said:

    I am interested in maintaing my weight and increasing my metabolism

    For weight maintenance/loss, the amount of distance you cover is what
    really matters. This will determine the amount of calories you're
    burning. It doesn't matter if you run it, walk it, or both. So don't feel
    bad about trying one of these run/walk programs or slowing down your
    pace. The goal is to improve your fitness by allowing your body the
    chance to improve.

    Quoted message said:

    so that I can occasionally eat junk food without gaining weight.

    Isn't that why we all run? ;-)

    Phil M.

    --
    "What counts in battle is what you do once the pain sets in." -John
    Short, South African coach.

  3. Leafing through rec.running, I read Ignoramus7955's message of 12 Dec
    2004:

    Quoted message said:

    There is no guideline that says that heart rate should not go above
    80% MHR, without qualifiers. Many people train at varied intensities,
    sometimes at higher HR, sometimes lower. The suggestions to not go
    above 80% MHR usually apply to notions like "fat burning" etc.

    FYI:

    VO2 Max 94-98%
    Lactate threshold 80-90%
    Half Marathon pace 85-90%
    Marathon pace 84-89%
    General Aerobic 80-90%
    Long runs 73-83%
    Recovery < 75%

    Phil M.

  4. If Hell is what your mind's worst fear is..........I'm going to spend
    eternity stuck in an elevator with this poster. And I'm quite sure
    it'll be one country-western song after, another playing over the muzak
    system. I better get to church.

  5. Thanks. I slowed it down from 6.0 mph to 5.0 mph and I felt more
    comfortable.

    12 minute mile (5.0 mph)
    HR= 145
    rested 1 minute
    5 minute walk
    HR = 120
    12 minute mile
    HR= 145
    rested 5 minutes
    HR = 100
    11 minute mile (5.5 mph)
    HR = 150

    Eventually, I would like to do 30 minutes continuous at 6.0 mph (10
    minute mile pace). As mentioned earlier I had done that for several
    months, but it was not comfortable and I was breathing hard.

    I hope the above routine will let me achieve that.

    Phil M. said:

    Leafing through rec.running, I read new runner's message of 12 Dec 2004:

    Quoted message said:

    I started jogging a year ago. I have worked up from 5 minutes to 30
    minutes and have lost 20 pounds and am down close to normal weight.

    Male Age 40
    6 ft 0 -- 180 pounds.

    Congratulations! That's impressive. I assume that by "normal weight" you
    mean you are in the normal range based on the standard charts and tables
    (BMI). As you probably know, these charts can be way off, mostly due to
    lean muscle mass differences between individuals. But they certainly are
    a good place to start.

    Quoted message said:

    I have heard that the guideline is to train at no higher than 80% of
    maximum heart rate -- which for my age would = 144.

    80% would be the upper limit unless you're doing some sort of speed work.
    How did you calculate your MHR? It appears that you used the classic 220
    - age formula. All you really know from these formulas is that there's
    about a 95 percent chance that your maximal heart rate is within 20 beats
    per minute of the predicted vaule. It's better to do a performance test
    to determine your actual maximal heart rate.

    Warm up thoroughly and then run 3 high-intensity 600-meter repeats up a
    moderate hill, jogging back down right away after each one. If you run
    these 600s all out, your heart rate should be within two to three beats
    of maximum by the end of the third repeat. YMMV

    If you're not up to doing this test, there are several other formulas you
    can try. Just do a search for "maximum hear rate" or "heart rate
    reserve" on http://groups-beta.google.com. After you read all that, I'm
    sure you'll be completely confused. ;-)

    Quoted message said:

    I jog on the treadmill for 30 minutes at speed = 6.0 mph (10 minute
    mile).

    Heart rate after 10 minutes: ~140
    Heart rate after 20 minutes: ~150
    Heart rate after 30 minutes: ~160

    Should I slow the speed down so that my heart rate is lower?
    I am breathing pretty hard at the end, but I almost always finish.

    Yes, I would start more slowly. Not knowing your true MHR, it's hard to
    say, but maybe start out in the 130-135 range and don't let it get above
    145. Consider taking walking breaks if your heart rate goes over the
    upper range. Walking breaks are a common practice for beginners to
    lengthen their workout time without stressing the body/heart too much.

    Quoted message said:

    I want to increase my pleasure, and slowing down would likely do that,
    but at the same time, I do want to get a workoout.

    Once you can a grip on your real MHR, you'll realize where your training
    range should be for a long run.

    Quoted message said:

    I feel sort of bad that I am getting tired with just a 10 minute mile
    pace. I have been doing it ~5 times a week for several months and
    would have thought that my fitness would be better by now.

    Are you doing 30 minutes every time you run? Alternating hard and easy
    workouts will allow the body to adapt to the stress you are giving it. I
    suggest a beginner's running program such as one of several at
    http://www.runnersworld.com. Some of these incorporate walking, which may
    be what you need. Maybe even shoot for a local 5K race as a goal to
    improve your running. Also, check out Bob Glover's "The Runner's
    Handbook." There's a lot more to this running stuff than hopping on a
    treadmill for 30 minutes.

    Quoted message said:

    I am interested in maintaing my weight and increasing my metabolism

    For weight maintenance/loss, the amount of distance you cover is what
    really matters. This will determine the amount of calories you're
    burning. It doesn't matter if you run it, walk it, or both. So don't feel
    bad about trying one of these run/walk programs or slowing down your
    pace. The goal is to improve your fitness by allowing your body the
    chance to improve.

    Quoted message said:

    so that I can occasionally eat junk food without gaining weight.

    Isn't that why we all run? ;-)

    Phil M.

    --
    "What counts in battle is what you do once the pain sets in." -John
    Short, South African coach.

  6. Friend,
    Make your body more efficient. do some Athletic intervals and hill work.
    that will make your heart a fine tuned machine.

    --

    Russ Hanson
    University of Phoenix Online
    [email hidden]

    "new runner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:


    Hello,

    I started jogging a year ago. I have worked up from 5 minutes to 30
    minutes and have lost 20 pounds and am down close to normal weight.

    Male Age 40
    6 ft 0 -- 180 pounds.

    I have heard that the guideline is to train at no higher than 80% of
    maximum heart rate -- which for my age would = 144.

    I jog on the treadmill for 30 minutes at speed = 6.0 mph (10 minute
    mile).

    Heart rate after 10 minutes: ~140
    Heart rate after 20 minutes: ~150
    Heart rate after 30 minutes: ~160

    Should I slow the speed down so that my heart rate is lower?
    I am breathing pretty hard at the end, but I almost always finish.

    I am guessing that exerienced runners are running at a lower heart
    rate since I don't see them breathing too hard.

    I want to increase my pleasure, and slowing down would likely do that,
    but at the same time, I do want to get a workoout.

    I feel sort of bad that I am getting tired with just a 10 minute mile
    pace. I have been doing it ~5 times a week for several months and
    would have thought that my fitness would be better by now.

    I am interested in maintaing my weight and increasing my metabolism
    so that I can occasionally eat junk food without gaining weight.

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