Peloton Etiquette

Rebecca Smith said:

I was watching the 2002 yesterday and during one stage Phil Liggett said
something to the effect of a rider working his way up to Lance then
asking permission to attack. On other videos I've heard something along
the same line. Can someone explain this to me?
Thanks

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Rebecca Smith said:

I was watching the 2002 yesterday and during one stage Phil Liggett

said

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something to the effect of a rider working his way up to Lance then

asking

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permission to attack. On other videos I've heard something along

the same

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line. Can someone explain this to me?

Dumbass -

The "peloton etiquitte" is to say 'please' when asking, 'thank you'
when permission is granted, followed by 'you're welcome' as the finale.
you're welcome (in advance),

K. Gringioni.

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I was watching the 2002 yesterday and during one stage Phil Liggett said
something to the effect of a rider working his way up to Lance then asking
permission to attack. On other videos I've heard something along the same
line. Can someone explain this to me?

It has certainly happened more than once in the time that the peloton had a
real `patron', like Anquetil, Merckx or Hinault. For instance, there is a
famous case of Joel Pelier who in the last stage of the Tour tried to attack
without Hinault's permission. Hinault not only chased him down personally,
but abused him in such a way that even some diehard journalists began to
blush. Dutch rider Fedor den Hertog told once that in the Tour of 1975 he
asked Merckx if he might to attack, because he wanted to win the stage as a
present to his fiancé, who had her birthday. Merckx said it was OK with him,
but advised Fedor to ask the permission of Gimondi as well. Unfortunately,
Fedor's french was very poor and he botched up everything saying: "... parce
que ma fiancée est mariée aujourd'hui" (because my fiancé is married today).
Gimondi thought Fedor was even crazier than usual and shook his head.
Of course, not even Merckx or Hinault could determine who was going to
win everyday, and "asking persmission" was in fact nothing else than asking
for "neutrality" (if Merckx didn't want somebody to escape, it was useless
to try it anyway) and besides such a `present' was never free: if a `patron'
granted persmission it went without saying that he expected that some day
"the lift would be sent back".

Benjo

I think the permission thing is a bunch of bull. In Hinault's case it's
more a matter of psychological warfare. A lot of people have said that
Hinault won by imiditation. But my feeling has always been that if the
riders gave into that then they had no reason to complain. In other
words there was nothing to prevent them from attacking. I really
enjoyed seeing Hinault counter attack it really added a lot of panache
to racing.

In Lance's and other riders cases it's a [censored] for tat peleton
mentaility. Sure riders don't like it when another rider attacks, but
that's the nature of racing. As for teams it's a entirely different
matter. If you are in a stage race it's not proper to attack if it
takes away time from the leader.

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Hinault won by imiditation.

*** What kind of intimidadtion?

With respect to the riders, who are obviously in
amazing physical fitness, I have yet to see one
who "scares" me.

Maybe public school, the subway, Bed Sty and
all the other wonders of Brooklyn and the Bronx
I've seen over the years jaded me a bit, but wouldn't
99% of these racers drop with a good chop to the chops?

Surely you can't mean that kind of intimidation...

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Hinault rode at the front to show his dominance. In 1984 Hinault won
the prologue TT and proclaimed: "Nothing has changed everybody else is
riding for second". In another race Hinault lambasted a rider after he
broke away and Hinault chased him down: Hinault "how foolish of him to
break away".

Keith Alexander® said:

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Hinault won by imiditation.

*** What kind of intimidadtion?

With respect to the riders, who are obviously in
amazing physical fitness, I have yet to see one
who "scares" me.

The racers must all finish within [censored] percentage of the winning time.
Hinault could intimidate by dropping the hammer (or having his team do the
same) and forcing you to ride harder (than you're able) to stay within the
alloted time and thus continue to work and earn your paycheck.

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Keith Alexander® said:

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Hinault won by imiditation.

*** What kind of intimidadtion?

With respect to the riders, who are obviously in
amazing physical fitness, I have yet to see one
who "scares" me.

Maybe public school, the subway, Bed Sty and
all the other wonders of Brooklyn and the Bronx
I've seen over the years jaded me a bit, but wouldn't
99% of these racers drop with a good chop to the chops?

Surely you can't mean that kind of intimidation...

I must say that on the couple of times I've seen cyclists come to blows
in their cleated shoes, it was actually pretty comical--looked more like
Moe Larry and Curley than Mike Tyson.

Steve

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Mark & Steven Bornfeld DDS said:

I must say that on the couple of times I've seen cyclists come to blows
in their cleated shoes, it was actually pretty comical--looked more like
Moe Larry and Curley than Mike Tyson.

Steve

There was a cyclist in Wichita I knew more than 30 years ago that was
also into martial arts. Kicked a guy over a car, although admittedly
the guy did slide across the roof (i.e. clearing the roof altogether
would have been more impressive). He was still out when the ambulance
arrived. That was with the old leather racing shoes, so I'm guessing
with a pair of Carnacs the guy would have been planted the next
Sunday.

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I think the permission thing is a bunch of bull. In Hinault's case it's
more a matter of psychological warfare.

Call it as you like, but the reality was that there were riders who asked
for permission.

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A lot of people have said that Hinault won by imiditation. But my feeling
has always been that if the
riders gave into that then they had no reason to complain. In other
words there was nothing to prevent them from attacking.

Yes, there was. Because the wrath of the padrone wasn't something trivial.
Peter Winnen told once that when Hinault thought that the peloton lacked
discipline, he set himself at the head of the pack with such an infernal
speed that the rest could only cry for mercy. That he was capable of it, he
has showed in the worldchampionship of 1980, perhaps the most impressive
race I've ever seen on TV.

Benjo

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I really enjoyed seeing Hinault counter attack it really added a lot of
panache
to racing.

In Lance's and other riders cases it's a [censored] for tat peleton
mentaility. Sure riders don't like it when another rider attacks, but
that's the nature of racing. As for teams it's a entirely different
matter. If you are in a stage race it's not proper to attack if it
takes away time from the leader.

Curtis L. Russell said:

arrived. That was with the old leather racing shoes, so I'm guessing
with a pair of Carnacs the guy would have been planted the next
Sunday.

Ashes planted in the memorial garden?
Or is this a different form of "tapping"?

Stewart Fleming said:

Ashes planted in the memorial garden?
Or is this a different form of "tapping"?

Have to go with the former.

This new use of the word 'tapping' is after I closed my vocabulary
down and refused to add new slang words. I have problems with 'bling,
bling' as well, not to mention the names of almost everyone nominated
for music awards.

If tapping means what it appears to mean and there is also a Power
Tap, does that mean that there is Power Tapping? And, if so, where do
you mount the equipment? And does Chung have a graph?

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...