Ratios

Mogget said:

Now I seem to be picking up the vibes that a lower fat intake is a
la mode. What do you think?

The ratios are not as important as the gram counts for protein and
carbs. See http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm

Ratios are what you end up with, not what your goal is.

I would recommend following the Atkins book. Don't make it harder than
it has to be. Unless you are having a problem, just follow the plan,
count carbs, and eat enough so that you aren't hungry.

I would follow the Atkins book. Unless you are having a problem for an
extended period, I would just count the carbs, eat enough so you are
not hungry. The beauty of LC is it's simplicity, no need to make it
harder than it has to be.

In message <[email hidden]>, DJ Delorie <[email hidden]>
writes

Quoted message said:

Mogget said:

Now I seem to be picking up the vibes that a lower fat intake is a
la mode. What do you think?

The ratios are not as important as the gram counts for protein and
carbs. See http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/proteincalc.htm

Good link.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

In message <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] writes

Quoted message said:

I would recommend following the Atkins book. Don't make it harder than
it has to be. Unless you are having a problem,

I am having a problem. That's why I'm trying to plan what to do now.

Quoted message said:

just follow the plan,
count carbs, and eat enough so that you aren't hungry.

And what? If I "just" do this, what will the outcome be?
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

Mogget said:

I am having a problem. That's why I'm trying to plan what to do now.

What problem?

In message <[email hidden]>, DJ Delorie <[email hidden]>
writes

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Mogget said:

I am having a problem. That's why I'm trying to plan what to do now.

What problem?

A 47-lb regain. If you google my posts of August-December 2001 or
thereabouts, you'll see. I now know what the problem is, but I still
haven't found anything that will help sort it out. Now that my baby is
weaned, I thought I'd try straight induction, and then something
different from what gained me almost all of the fat back.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

Mogget <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

IIRC, several years ago, when I was here first time around, the ideal
ratios were thought to be fat:protein:carbs roundabout 80:15:5.

Now I seem to be picking up the vibes that a lower fat intake is a la
mode. What do you think?

Since I'm coming to the end of my self-inflicted two-week Induction
period, (which has gone rather well, thank you) I wonder where I should
go from here.

If you want to be tight about ratios and gram counts, the Zone diet is
very numbers intense. Being a computer programmer, it works for me.

TC

Mogget <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In message <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] writes

Quoted message said:

I would recommend following the Atkins book. Don't make it harder than
it has to be. Unless you are having a problem,

I am having a problem. That's why I'm trying to plan what to do now.

Quoted message said:

just follow the plan,
count carbs, and eat enough so that you aren't hungry.

And what? If I "just" do this, what will the outcome be?

I you just do what's in the Atkins book, you will be doing what has
worked for millions of people over the last 3 decades, and the likely
outcome will be it will work for you. That's preferable to worrying
about ratios and relying on questionable information from newsgroups.
Did Atkins ever say ratios were important?

"Mogget" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In message <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] writes

Quoted message said:

I would recommend following the Atkins book. Don't make it harder than
it has to be. Unless you are having a problem,

I am having a problem. That's why I'm trying to plan what to do now.

Quoted message said:

just follow the plan,
count carbs, and eat enough so that you aren't hungry.

And what? If I "just" do this, what will the outcome be?

The theory is that induction is to clear away your urges for carbs. If
you're eating a lot of carbs at the moment, you'll probably need to stick to
it.

Once you're past induction, you're supposed to add a few more carbs back in
gradually, noticing which carbs cause you to want them badly (and so you
need to avoid these).

I found that carb cravings really do go away, or I can satisfy them with
much smaller amounts. For instance, if I must have a chocolate muffin, I now
have 1/4 of one with a desertspoon of icecream, instead of 3 on a plate...

I lost weight very quickly at first, without bothering with calorie
counting, but when I got to within 20lbs or so of goal (normal BMI), it
slowed dramatically; I'm now keeping a much closer eye on calories, just to
make sure nothing hidden surprises me. I've also decided that it's not a big
deal if the rest of the weight takes its time to come off. I eat about 50g
carbs and 1300-1600 calories a day, which I can keep up forever.

I also do a fair bit of exercise - the 10,000 steps a day thing, which fits
easily into my lifestyle, plus pilates and weight lifting. Again, things I
can do without messing up my life - I've bought a set of free weights and do
them in front of the TV : )

Do I remember that you're a diabetic? I've found that low-carb is a good way
for me to control bg at this stage of the disease.

HTH,

Nicky.

--
HbA1c 10.5/6.4/<6 Weight 95/79/72
1g Metformin, 75ug Thyroxine
T2 DX 05/2004

In message <[email hidden]>, Chet Hayes
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I you just do what's in the Atkins book, you will be doing what has
worked for millions of people over the last 3 decades, and the likely
outcome will be it will work for you. That's preferable to worrying
about ratios and relying on questionable information from newsgroups.
Did Atkins ever say ratios were important?

OTOH, a good definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and
over again, expecting a different result.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

Mogget <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Chet Hayes
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I you just do what's in the Atkins book, you will be doing what has
worked for millions of people over the last 3 decades, and the likely
outcome will be it will work for you. That's preferable to worrying
about ratios and relying on questionable information from newsgroups.
Did Atkins ever say ratios were important?

OTOH, a good definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and
over again, expecting a different result.

Did you ever try to do Atkins per the book? If for some reason Atkins
didn't work for you, you would probably get better answers if you told
the group what went wrong, what you tried, etc. There are lots of
people that come into the group claiming that Atkins didn't work, when
in fact it turns out that things they were doing were at significant
variance from the real Atkins plan.

Mogget,

I can't remember, but did your doctor put you on Metformin?

If not, ask for it.

It has made a huge difference in my ability to maintain my weight. I didn't
see much happening until I hit the 1500 mg/day dose. I'm taking the ER
extended release version.

Without Metformin last spring I started gaining on a low carb regimen and I
was starving even when eating 20 grams a day.

-- Jenny - Low Carbing for 5 years. Below goal for weight. Type 2 diabetes,
hba1c 5.7 .
Cut the carbs to respond to my email address!

Jenny's new site: What they Don't Tell You About Diabetes
http://www.geocities.com/lottadata4u/

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http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean/

Looking for help controlling your blood sugar?
Visit http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org/Newly%20Diagnosed.htm

"Mogget" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In message <[email hidden]>, DJ Delorie <[email hidden]>
writes

Quoted message said:

Mogget said:

I am having a problem. That's why I'm trying to plan what to do now.

What problem?

A 47-lb regain. If you google my posts of August-December 2001 or
thereabouts, you'll see. I now know what the problem is, but I still
haven't found anything that will help sort it out. Now that my baby is
weaned, I thought I'd try straight induction, and then something
different from what gained me almost all of the fat back.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

In message <[email hidden]>, Nicky
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

The theory is that induction is to clear away your urges for carbs. If
you're eating a lot of carbs at the moment, you'll probably need to stick to
it.

Once you're past induction, you're supposed to add a few more carbs back in
gradually, noticing which carbs cause you to want them badly (and so you
need to avoid these).

I found that carb cravings really do go away, or I can satisfy them with
much smaller amounts. For instance, if I must have a chocolate muffin, I now
have 1/4 of one with a desertspoon of icecream, instead of 3 on a plate...

I lost weight very quickly at first, without bothering with calorie
counting, but when I got to within 20lbs or so of goal (normal BMI), it
slowed dramatically; I'm now keeping a much closer eye on calories, just to
make sure nothing hidden surprises me. I've also decided that it's not a big
deal if the rest of the weight takes its time to come off. I eat about 50g
carbs and 1300-1600 calories a day, which I can keep up forever.

I also do a fair bit of exercise - the 10,000 steps a day thing, which fits
easily into my lifestyle, plus pilates and weight lifting. Again, things I
can do without messing up my life - I've bought a set of free weights and do
them in front of the TV : )

Do I remember that you're a diabetic? I've found that low-carb is a good way
for me to control bg at this stage of the disease.

Yes, you remember rightly. I am diabetic, early T2, and can keep
perfectly flat blood sugars with Atkins. I get an HbA1c of 4.7%. Well,
actually, I don't have a formal diagnosis of diabetes, merely IGT. I
had a GTT nearly three years ago, and although I was well over 200
during the test, I was a whisker under 200 at the 2-hour mark. So, in
practice, of course I am diabetic, while managing to not have that
diabetic label slapped on me, which suits me fine.

Thanks for your helpful comments. But the problem I think with most of
the replies I've had so far is that I don't recognise many of you, which
must mean that you don't recognise me either. I am not keen to go over
old, old ground, because it's been done to death, and that's why I said
"google my posts".

Here's one:

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?q=must+be+pretty+bored&hl=en&lr=&group=
alt.support.diet.low-carb&selm=rDGlKpAbgKE8IwVu%40scat.demon.co.uk&rnum=1

I've been low carb for five and a half years now, and I know what the
point of induction is, how to add carbs back in, and when to stop. I
lost 62 lbs, then something in my body got well and truly buggered up,
and I regained almost all (so far) of what I had lost, while keeping to
the exact same diet that LOST me the weight in the first place.

Not you, Nicky, but I am somewhat irritated with being asked whether I
actually know how to do Atkins (yes), and whether I have actually done
Atkins properly (yes).

All I asked was whether a lower fat version is currently thought to be
better than deliberately adding fats, and it seems like I'm being told
off for even asking.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

In message <[email hidden]>, Jenny
<[email hidden]> writes

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Mogget,

I can't remember, but did your doctor put you on Metformin?

If not, ask for it.

It has made a huge difference in my ability to maintain my weight. I didn't
see much happening until I hit the 1500 mg/day dose. I'm taking the ER
extended release version.

Hi Jenny,

Nope, I'm not on metformin. I'm nervous of it. Although just about
everyone rates it, Lyle was the first person to say that it works by
creating new fat cells that aren't yet IR. I've since heard that from
other sources too. That worries me.

I think I've also heard that metformin only works for a while.

What do you mean, it's helped maintain your weight? Do you mean that
you were trying to maintain, but were gaining, and that the metformin
stopped that?

Oh I dunno. I'm on the Precose, occasionally, as and when I need it,
which is rarely, and that's been ok as far as I can tell - no obvious
side effects.

I'm just scared to go on metformin too :-(

Still, I guess it's time to start thinking about it... any info would
be much appreciated.

Thanks.

PS I know I am *hopeless* at keeping up with emails, and I've owed you a
reply for several months now, but I haven't forgotten you!
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat